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Poslato:
14/07/2024
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Slučaj je zatvoren : 30/08/2024
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The player from Germany had his account at Bet On Red Casino locked without warning after depositing €2,550 and had been unable to access his withdrawal of €2,400 since June 29, 2024. Despite being fully verified and submitting all required documents, he only received automated responses. The Complaints Team attempted to resolve the issue by contacting the casino for clarification on the account closure and disputed funds. However, the case was ultimately rejected due to the player's lack of response to inquiries, which prevented further investigation.
Igraču iz Nemačke je račun u Bet On Red kazinu zaključan bez upozorenja nakon što je deponovao 2.550 € i nije mogao da pristupi svom povlačenju od 2.400 € od 29. juna 2024. Uprkos tome što je u potpunosti verifikovan i podneo sva potrebna dokumenta, dobio je samo automatizovane odgovore. Tim za žalbe je pokušao da reši problem tako što je kontaktirao kazino radi pojašnjenja o zatvaranju računa i spornim sredstvima. Međutim, slučaj je na kraju odbijen zbog igračevog nedostatka odgovora na upite, što je sprečilo dalju istragu.
Hitno tražim vašu pomoć oko problema u Bet On Red kazinu.
Dana 4. jula, moj račun je zaključan bez upozorenja nakon što sam deponovao 2,550 evra putem kreditne kartice. Otkrio sam bravu kada sam pokušao da se prijavim da proverim svoje povlačenje. Od tada sam dobijao samo automatizovane odgovore i nikakvu konkretnu odluku.
Moj nalog je u potpunosti verifikovan, uključujući vlasništvo moje kreditne kartice. Dostavio sam svu traženu dokumentaciju i podatke. Kazino nije dao nikakvo objašnjenje za suspenziju ili kašnjenje u obradi mog povlačenja.
Hitno tražim vaše posredovanje za vraćanje mog deponovanog iznosa i svih potencijalnih dobitaka. Ova situacija je izuzetno stresna i osećam se nepravedno prema meni od Bet On Red Casino-a.
Moje povlačenje od 2400€ je sada na čekanju od 29.06.2024.
Deponovani iznos u potpunosti uložen: Da, kao što je pomenuto u Uslovima i uslovima
Bonus: Ne, nisam koristio nikakav bonus
Kreiranje naloga: 23. jun 2024
Igrane igre: Kazino slotovi
Hvala vam na podršci.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Dear CasinoGuru Team,
I am urgently seeking your assistance with an issue at Bet On Red Casino.
On July 4, my account was locked without warning after I deposited €2,550 via credit card. I discovered the lock when I tried to log in to check my withdrawal. Since then, I have only received automated responses and no specific resolution.
My account is fully verified, including my credit card ownership. I submitted all required documents and information. The casino has provided no explanation for the suspension or delay in processing my withdrawal.
I urgently request your mediation to retrieve my deposited amount and any potential winnings. This situation is extremely stressful, and I feel unjustly treated by Bet On Red Casino.
My Withdrawal of 2400€ is now since 29.06.2024 pending.
Deposited Amount Fully Wagered: Yes, as mentioned in the T&C
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Žao mi je što čujem za vaše negativno iskustvo sa BetOnRed kazinom.
Dozvolite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja kako bih bolje razumeo situaciju.
Da li ste od kazina dobili neko opravdanje za zatvaranje računa?
Da li vas je kazino obavestio o statusu vašeg povlačenja otkako je vaš nalog blokiran?
Možete li da podelite svoju interakciju sa podrškom za kazino kada pokušavate da rešite problem? Šalji e-poštu ili transkripte ćaskanja na moju e-poštu na tomas@casino.guru , ili postavite snimke ekrana ovde
Nadam se da ćemo moći da vam pomognemo da rešite ovaj problem što je pre moguće. Hvala vam unapred na odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Dear Stratton,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with BetOnRed Casino.
Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can better understand the situation.
Have you received any justification for account closure from the casino?
Has the casino informed you about the status of your withdrawal since your account has been blocked?
Could you please share your interaction with casino support when trying to resolve the issue? Send emails or chat transcripts to my email at tomas@casino.guru, or post screenshots here
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Puno vam hvala, Straton, što ste dali potrebne informacije. Vašu žalbu ću sada preneti kolegi Branislavu ( branislav.b@casino.guru ) koji će vam biti na usluzi. Želim vam puno sreće i nadam se da će problem biti rešen na vaše zadovoljstvo u bliskoj budućnosti.
Thank you very much, Stratton, for providing the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Branislav (branislav.b@casino.guru) who will be at your service. I wish you the best of luck and hope the problem will be resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Žao mi je što čujem za vašu nevolju. Kontaktiraću kazino i potrudiću se da rešim problem što je pre moguće. Sada bih želeo da pozovem predstavnika kazina da se pridruži ovom razgovoru i učestvuje u rešavanju ove žalbe.
Poštovani timu BetOnRed kazina ,
Možete li, molim vas, detaljnije da objasnite situaciju igrača? Zašto je nalog korisnika blokiran, a sporna sredstva konfiskovana?
Ako govorimo o kršenju Uslova i odredbi kazina, da li je kazino u stanju da potkrepi svoje tvrdnje i odluku relevantnim dokazima?
Slobodno pošaljite potrebne detalje i prateće dokaze na moju adresu e-pošte ( branislav.b@casino.guru ).
Hello, Stratton,
I am sorry to hear about your trouble. I will contact the casino and try my best to resolve the issue as soon as possible. Now I would like to invite the casino representative to join this conversation and participate in resolving this complaint.
Dear BetOnRed Casino team,
Could you please explain the player's situation in more detail? Why has the user's account been blocked and disputed funds confiscated?
If we are talking about a breach of the casino's Terms and Conditions, is the casino able to substantiate its claims and decision with relevant evidence?
Feel free to send the necessary details and supporting evidence to my email address (branislav.b@casino.guru).
Hvala vam što ste nam se obratili u vezi sa ovim pitanjem.
Dragi Stratone, žao nam je što je vaš nalog zatvoren i što je vaš dobitak konfiskovan, međutim otkrili smo nepošteno ponašanje sa vaše strane, što je rezultiralo kršenjem naših pravila. Dakle, vaš nalog je zatvoren u skladu sa odredbama i uslovima klauzule 12.1.
„Kompanija ima strogu politiku borbe protiv prevara i koristi različite alate i tehnike protiv prevara. Ako je igrač osumnjičen za lažne radnje uključujući, ali ne ograničavajući se na: učešće u bilo kojoj vrsti dosluha sa drugim igračima; lažne radnje protiv drugih onlajn kazina ili provajdera plaćanja; transakcije povraćaja plaćanja kreditnom karticom; ili uskraćivanje nekih isplata; kreiranje dva ili više naloga; druge vrste varanja; ili postane bankrot u zemlji svog prebivališta, Kompanija zadržava pravo da ukine takav račun i obustavi sve isplate igraču. Ova odluka je po isključivom nahođenju Kompanije i igrač neće biti obavešten ili obavešten o razlozima za takve radnje. Kompanija takođe zadržava pravo da obavesti nadležna regulatorna tela o lažnim radnjama koje je izvršio igrač; odlaganje rundi igre u bilo kojoj igri, uključujući besplatne okretaje i bonus funkcije, na kasnije vreme kada nemate potrebe za klađenjem; ostavljajući velike opklade na stolu, na primer u blackjack-u, i vraćanje u igru nakon što je bonus opklada završena; igranje igara sa bonus novcem da biste povećali vrednost u igri, izgubili bonus sredstva, a zatim unovčili prikupljenu vrednost tokom igre sa pravim novcem; koristeći strategije koje iskorišćavaju bilo kakvu grešku ili neuspeh u softveru."
Poštovani Branislave, kontaktirali smo Vas putem mejla i poslali potrebne dokaze.
Srdačan pozdrav,
BetOnRed Team.
Hello, dear all!
Thank you for reaching out to us regarding this issue.
Dear Stratton, we are sorry that your account was closed and your winnings were confiscated, however we discovered dishonest behavior on your part, which resulted in a violation of our rules. Therefore, your account has been closed in accordance with the terms and conditions clause 12.1.
"The Company has a strict anti-fraud policy and utilizes various anti-fraud tools and techniques. If the player is suspected of fraudulent actions including, but not limited to: participating in any type of collusion with other players; fraudulent actions against other online casinos or payment providers; chargeback transactions with a credit card; or denial of some payments made; creating two or more accounts; other types of cheating; or becomes bankrupt in the country of their residence, the Company reserves the right to terminate such account and suspend all payouts to the player. This decision is at the sole discretion of the Company and the player will not be notified or informed about the reasons for such actions. The Company also reserves the right to inform applicable regulatory bodies of the fraudulent actions performed by the player; delaying game rounds in any game, including free spins and bonus features, to a later time when you have no wagering requirements; leaving large bets on the table, for example in blackjack, and returning to the game after bonus wagering has been completed; playing games with bonus money to build up in-game value, lose the bonus funds, and then cash out on the built-up value during real-money play; using strategies that take advantage of any software bug or failure."
Dear Branislav, we have contacted you via email, sending the necessary evidence.
Dok se čeka odgovor kazina, evo traženih informacija:
1. Datumi i vremena depozita:
- 23.06.2024: 2000€, 250€ i 20€
- 24.06.2025: 90€k2
- 05.07.2024: 90€ i 20€
- Pored toga, 05.07.2024. godine, izvršene su tri neovlašćene transakcije od po 90€, koje sam prijavio kazinu. Kazino je naknadno refundirao ove iznose.
2.Akumulacija osporenih dobitaka:
- Većina spornih dobitaka potiče iz depozita uplaćenih 23.06.2024. godine, tačnije depozita od 2000€ i 250€.
3. Primljena sredstva:
- Nisam dobio nikakva sredstva od kazina osim povraćaja u vezi sa tri neovlašćene transakcije od po 90€ 05.07.2024.
4. Obrnute transakcije/povraćaj sredstava:
– Nisam tražio povraćaj sredstava ili poništene transakcije.
- Od ove žalbe nadam se da ću povratiti 2400€ koje je čekalo na povlačenje.
5. Dodatni detalji:
– Možete li, molim vas, pojasniti koji detalji za koje smatrate da nedostaju ili su nepotpuni? Želim da budem siguran da pružam sve potrebne informacije za tačno rešavanje ovog pitanja.
Verujem da ovo pruža jasnu i potpunu sliku moje situacije.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Straton
Dear Branislav,
While awaiting the casino's response, here is the requested information:
1. Deposit Dates and Times:
- 23.06.2024: 2000€, 250€, and 20€
- 24.06.2025: 90€x2
- 05.07.2024: 90€ and 20€
- Additionally, on 05.07.2024, there were three unauthorized transactions of 90€ each, which I reported to the casino. These amounts were subsequently refunded by the casino.
2.Accumulation of Disputed Winnings:
- The majority of the disputed winnings came from the deposits made on 23.06.2024, specifically the 2000€ and 250€ deposits.
3. Received Funds:
- I have not received any funds from the casino except for the refunds related to the three unauthorized transactions of 90€ each on 05.07.2024.
4. Reversed Transactions/Chargebacks:
- I did not request any chargebacks or reversed transactions.
- From this complaint, I hope to recover the 2400€ that were pending withdrawal.
5. Additional Details:
- Could you please clarify what specific details you believe are missing or incomplete? I want to ensure that I provide all the necessary information to resolve this matter accurately.
I trust this provides a clear and complete picture of my situation.
Potvrđujem da sam u potpunosti opkladio depozite barem jednom, ispunjavajući uslove za klađenje.
Povraćaj sredstava :
Da, povraćaji sredstava su pokrenuti, ali još nisu rešeni. Preduzeo sam ovu radnju jer sam dobio automatske poruke od kazina koje ukazuju da je moj novac nestao. Nakon što mi je zabranjen pristup kazinu, osećao sam da nemam druge opcije osim da zahtevam povraćaj sredstava.
Žalba regulatora:
Verujem da imam pravo da se žalim regulatoru na ponašanje kazina, posebno s obzirom na automatizovane poruke i kasniju zabranu. Zar regulator nije baš za to? Vaše pitanje na kraju, "da li se ozbiljno šalite?" sugeriše preziran ton, zbog čega sam zabrinut zbog toga koliko se ozbiljno shvata moja žalba.
Deponovanje više novca:
Ne vidim zašto bi dodavanje novca u kazino trebalo da bude problem. Od kada je deponovanje više sredstava postalo problem? Ne treba mi poseban razlog da dodam još novca u kazino sve dok se pridržavam pravila i uslova koje postavlja kazino.
Rezolucija povlačenja:
Ako dobijem svoje povlačenje od 2.400 €, ne bi bilo razloga za povraćaj sredstava, i odmah bih ih rešio i otkazao sa svoje strane
Izvod iz banke od juna do jula **1194
Poslato je na vašu e-poštu. Branislav
Wagering the Deposits:
I confirm that I fully wagered the deposits at least once, meeting the wagering requirements.
Chargebacks:
Yes, the chargebacks have been initiated but are not yet resolved. I took this action because I received automated messages from the casino indicating that my money was gone. After being banned from the casino, I felt I had no other option but to request chargebacks.
Regulator Complaint:
I believe I have the right to complain to the regulator about the casino's behavior, especially given the automated messages and the subsequent ban. Isn't this exactly what the regulator is for? Your question at the end, "are you seriously kidding?" suggests a dismissive tone, which makes me concerned about how seriously my complaint is being taken.
Depositing More Money:
I don't see why adding more money into the casino should be a problem. Since when has depositing more funds become an issue? I do not need a specific reason to add more money into the casino as long as I am following the rules and terms set by the casino.
Withdrawal Resolution:
If I receive my withdrawal of 2,400 €, there would be no reason for the chargebacks, and I would instantly resolve and cancel them from my side
Hvala vam na dodatnim informacijama, Stratone, kao i na e-poruci sa bankovnim izvodom. I, izvinjavam se zbog kašnjenja.
Da, imate pravo da se žalite regulatoru. Međutim, u takvom trenutku mogu zatvoriti slučaj sa napomenom „čeka se odluka regulatora", i jednostavno sačekati dok regulator ne donese konačnu odluku u vezi sa slučajem.
Što se tiče tona i ozbiljnosti – ako ste zahtevali povraćaj sredstava (što znači ozbiljno kršenje pravila kazina), što je vrlo verovatno bilo uspešno jer je kazino to potvrdio, kako se vaše insistiranje na povlačenju gotovo istog iznosa može shvatiti ozbiljno ? Kako kazino može biti siguran da ćete otkazati povraćaj sredstava ako bi platili vaš iznos?
Što se tiče bankovnog izvoda - vidim da pokazuje vraćene uplate za prethodni mesec. Možete li mi dati isti bankovni izvod, ali za avgust 2024. ako je moguće?
Slobodno koristite istu adresu e-pošte za deljenje bankovnog izvoda ( branislav.b@casino.guru ).
Thank you for the additional information, Stratton, and for the email with the bank statement as well. And, I am sorry for the delay.
Yes, you have the right to complain to the regulator. However, at such a point, I can close the case with a note "waiting for regulator decision", and simply wait until the regulator makes its final decision regarding the case.
As for the tone and seriousness - if you requested a chargeback (which means a serious breach of the casino's rules), which was very likely successful because the casino confirmed it, how can your insisting on a withdrawal of almost the same amount be taken seriously? How can the casino be sure you cancel chargebacks if they would pay your balance?
As for the bank statement - I can see that it shows reverted payments for the previous month. Can you please provide me with the same bank statement, but for August 2024 if possible?
Feel free to use the same email address to share the bank statement (branislav.b@casino.guru).
Produžavamo tajmer za 7 dana. Molim vas da znate da ukoliko ne odgovorite u zadato vreme ili ne pružite asistenciju, mi ćemo da odbijemo prigovor.
Dear Stratton,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
Nažalost, prinuđeni smo da odbijemo ovaj slučaj jer igrač nije odgovorio na naše poruke i pitanja. Zbog toga nismo u mogućnosti da nastavimo sa daljom istragom niti predložimo moguća rešenja.
Igrač može ponovo da otvori ovu žalbu u bilo kom trenutku. Međutim, biće neophodna konačna odluka regulatora u korist korisnika ili traženi dokument.
Puno vam hvala, BetOnRed Casino tim, na pružanju informacija i saradnji!
Srdačan pozdrav,
Branislav, Kazino.Guru
Unfortunately, we are forced to reject this case because the player has not responded to our messages and questions. Therefore, we are not able to proceed with a further investigation or suggest possible solutions.
The player can reopen this complaint anytime. However, the regulator's final decision in the user's favour or the requested document will be necessary.
Thank you very much, BetOnRed Casino Team, for providing information and cooperation!
Best regards,
Branislav, Casino.Guru
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