Da, to je igra okrivljavanja, svi se ponašaju kao da ne znaju šta drugi spremaju da bi mogli da prenesu knjigu dalje! Sve što znam je da sam imao kompaniju i bio odgovoran da se pobrinem da sve bude iznad odbora, ne bih je davao u ruke drugima da ugrozi moj posao, oni tačno znaju šta se dešava ili bi im skrenuo pažnju na to. zaustavljanje broja ljudi koji se žale. Oni samo pričaju svoje guzice.
Yes it's a blame game they all act like they don't know what the other ones up to so they can pass the book on! All I know is if I had a company and was responsible for making sure all was above board I wouldn't be putting it in the hands of others to jepardise my business they know exactly what's going on or bringing it to their attention would of put a stop to it the amount of people complaining. They just talk out their arses.
Zato što sam prilično iskusan u povraćaju sredstava, a usluge plaćanja koje primaju ta sredstva rade po ovim principima. Na izvodu kreditne kartice nalazi se Ks od bilo kog provajdera, ali iza njega su kripto platforme. Posmatrao sam platne transakcije, tokom procesa plaćanja uplata je nekoliko puta preusmerena na platni prolaz koji razmenjuje kriptovalute.
Because I am quite experienced in chargebacks, and the payment services that receive these funds work according to these principles. On the credit card statement there is an X from any provider, but behind it are crypto platforms. I have observed payment transactions, during the payment process the payment was redirected several times to a payment gateway that exchanges crypto.
Weil ich recht erfahren in Sachen rückbuchung bin, und die Zahlungsdienste die diese Gelder erhalten, eben nach diesen Prinzipien arbeiten. Auf der Kreditkartenabrechnung steht ein X beliebiger Anbieter, dahinter stecken jedoch kryptoplattformen. Ich habe Zahlungsverkehre beobachtet, während des zahlungsvorganges wurde mehrfach weitergeleitet, zu einem Paymentgateway welches krypto tauscht.
Bilo koja valuta se može zameniti nazad, tako da nisam siguran na šta ciljate?
Any currency can be exchanged back so I'm not sure what your getting at?
Oni navode da nemaju, ali imaju pristup informacijama, plus moraju da komuniciraju sa obrađivačem kako bi odredili sredstva za dodavanje na račune, tako da je to laž sa njihove strane da pokušaju da odbiju bilo kakvu zakonsku odgovornost, oni su u stvari odgovorni jer uprkos tome što je nezakonito koristiti treća lica za obradu ovih plaćanja u nekim jurisdikcijama, oni imaju odgovornost da se uvere da treća lica deluju na zakonit način, što oni definitivno nisu. Ne dostiže pošto je transakcija na kraju obavljena sa njima, njihova je odgovornost da se postaraju da je obavljena na bezbedan i legalan način, oni to ne rade jer koriste treća lica bez prethodnog znanja klijenata, što je GDPR problem, onda trgovci koriste pogrešne MCC-ove da zaobiđu blokove za kockanje itd. Lično, verujem da su ovi procesori trećih strana samo dimna zavesa i da su sama kazina peru novac preko lažnih kompanija, na primer, video sam najmanje 8 različitih NikoTPF varijacija samo na ovom forumu u vezi sa Santedom, onda imate Falcoru itd. koje su koristile, zašto bi legitimna kompanija koristila toliko različiti procesori? To je za pranje novca.
They state they don't but have access to the information, plus have to interact with the processor to determine the funds to add to the accounts, so that's a lie from their side to attempt to deflect any legal responsibility, they are in fact liable as despite it being illegal to use third parties to process these payments in some jurisdictions, they have a responsibility to make sure the third parties are acting in a legal manner, which they most definitely aren't. It's not reaching as the transaction was made with them ultimately, it's their responsibility to make sure it's made in a safe and legal way, they aren't doing that as they're using third parties without the customers having prior knowledge, which is a GDPR issue, then the merchants are using incorrect MCC's to bypass gambling blocks etc. Personally, i believe these third party processors are just a smokescreen, and that the casinos themselves are laundering the money through shell companies, for example i've seen at least 8 different NikoTPF variations on this forum alone in reference to Santeda, then you've got Falcora etc that they've used, why would a legitimate company use so many different processors? It's to money launder.
Na kraju krajeva, oni su imali naš novac, tako da nisam mogao da dam majmunima da li je zamenjen, da ga razmenim i vratim ono što je s pravom moj novac.
At the end of the day they've had our money so I couldn't give a monkeys if it's exchanged, un exchange it and refund what's rightfully my money.
Jedini način da to saznate je kupovina kriptovaluta preko njihove platforme. Nažalost, zbog moje žalbe ovoj kompaniji zbog drugog problema, odbijaju me da kupim kriptovalute na njihovoj platformi.
Tako da će neko drugi morati da pokuša da kupi kriptovalute na svoj račun i ako izjava kaže da KTM Varšava znamo dovoljno 😉
The only way to find this out is by buying crypto through their platform. Unfortunately, due to my complaint with this company for another issue they refuse me to buy crypto on their platform.
So someone else will have to try to buy crypto to his own account and if the statement says KTM Warsaw we know enough 😉
Dobro rečeno. Mora biti – nema potrebe da kompanije vrše plaćanja preko toliko različitih kompanija osim ako ne peru gotovinu.
Dobio sam nekoliko odgovora na svoje imejlove, ali još ništa bitno.
Što se tiče DSAR-a za Santedu, nastavite da insistirate. Počeo sam i rečeno mi je da rade na mom DSAR-u i sada je to sa njihovim timom za usklađenost. Verovatno sam naivan, ali držim palčeve.
Well said. It has to be - there’s no need for companies to run payments via so many different companies unless they’re washing cash.
I’ve had a couple of responses to my emails but nothing substantial yet.
With regards to the DSARs for Santeda, keep pushing. I kicked off and I’ve been told they’re working on my DSAR and it’s now with their compliance team. I’m probably being naive but fingers crossed.
Poprilično zakucani ovde, oni to rade da bi mogli da proslede knjigu i otežaju vlastima da istraže. Na kraju, iako će uvek postojati neka vrsta papirnog traga, čak i ako prođu kroz kriptovalute, mogu ga pratiti kroz blok lanac, pogledajte slučaj Malone Lam, na primer, ukrao je i oprao kriptovalute i na kraju su sve to pratili do njega.
Pretty much nailed it here, they do it so they can pass the book on and make it more difficult for the authorities to investigate. Ultimately though there will always be some kind of paper trail, even if they go through crypto they can trace it through the blockchain, look at the Malone Lam case for example, stole and laundered crypto and eventually they traced it all back to him.
Svaki legitimni kazino koji sam koristio pre potpisivanja sa Gamstopom, čak i oni koji su bili manji uvek su koristili jednog trgovca, postojala je jedna kompanija sa više kazina koja je obrađivala sve svoje uplate i preko jednog trgovca (koristio sam nekoliko njihovih kazina), ovi momci su Definitivno radeći to radi pranja novca, ne bi me iznenadilo ako periodično zatvaraju trgovce i stvaraju nove kako bi njihova prevara bila sveža.
Nastaviću sa njima, neću odustati od ovih momaka.
Any legitimate casino i used before signing to Gamstop, even the ones that were smaller always used one merchant, there was one company with multiple casinos that processed all their payments through one merchant too (i used a few of their casinos), these guys are definitely doing it to launder money, it wouldn't surprise me if they close down merchants periodically and create new ones to keep their scam fresh.
I'm going to keep on at them, i'm not going to give up on these guys.
Takođe me tera da se zapitam kada kažu da nemaju kontrolu nad dobavljačima plaćanja trećih strana.🤔Teško mi je da poverujem u to. Ako je to bio slučaj, kako onda nadoknade sredstva od ovih trgovaca da dodaju na račune igrača? Moraju znam .Ako ne, onda je agent za obradu plaćanja kojeg koriste za obradu sredstava koji je odgovoran za eksternalizaciju ovih transakcija ovim lukavim trgovcima treće strane koje kazino takođe treba da snosi odgovornost jer oni treba da budu isključivo odgovorni za sve transakcije i da se postaraju da postupaju u skladu sa zakonom. ili ja stižem?
It also makes me wonder when they say They do not have control over 3rd party payment providers .🤔I find this hard to belive .If that was the case then how do they recoup the funds from these merchants to add to players accounts ?They must know .If not Then it's the payment processing agent that they use to process funds that are responsible for outsourcing these transactions to these dodgy 3rd party merchants which the casino should also should be held responsible for as they should be solely responsible for all transactions and make sure that they are acting lawfully. or am I reaching ?
Izvinjavam se što sam se ubacio. Samo želim da kažem da sam razmišljao sasvim isto. Po mom mišljenju, mnoga kazina se oslanjaju na rešenja/procesore plaćanja trećih strana, koji su veza između kazina i konačnog „trgovca".
Korišćenje ove opcije, po mom mišljenju, bar delimično stavlja određeni nivo odgovornosti na procesor. Samo kažem da mi to ima smisla.
I'm sorry for stepping in. I just want to say I've been thinking quite the same. In my opinion, many casinos rely on 3rd-party payment solutions/processors, which are the link between the casino and the final "merchant."
Using this option, in my opinion, at least partly puts a certain level of responsibility on the processor. I'm just saying it makes sense to me.
Sumnjam da ćete dobiti novac nazad ako su kupili kriptovalute. Osvojio sam više od 50000 funti na povraćajima sredstava. Ne kažem da sam ponosan na ovo, nadam se da nikada više, jer sam naučio lekciju, ali banka je rekla da ne može ništa učiniti u vezi sa njima
I doubt you will get the money back if they bought crypto I have won back over £50000 on chargebacks I am not saying I am proud of this hopefully never again as I have learned my lesson but the bank said they cannot do anything about them
Zdravo momci…Dolazim vama svima po savete sa kapom u ruci….Uništio sam svoj život kockanjem konačno je došao do kuće moja žena i porodica su me napustili. imate neki savet kako da brzo dobijem sredstva. Moram da nađem depozit za sobu ili ću ostati beskućnik... Na kraju sam konopa i osećam se kao da sam stigao do kraja i da sam bojim se da sam da uradim nešto glupo, molim vas, svaki savet bi bio veoma zahvalan
Hello guys…I am coming to you all for advice cap in hand….I have ruined my life gambling it has finally hit home my wife and family have left me I’m about to be thrown out my mothers house aswell…do any of you have any advice on how to gain funds quickly.I need to find a deposit for a room or I’m going to be homeless…I’m at the end of my rope and feel like I have reached the end and I’m afraid I’m going to do something stupid pleaee any Advice would be so grateful appreciated
Uskoro potražite pomoć druže pozovite gamcare i kontaktirajte svoju banku u vezi povraćaja sredstava, objasnite sve!
Get help soon mate call gamcare and contact your bank about chargebacks explain everything !
Ako imate 50000 funti zaduženih, moja kuća je napravljena od sira!! 😂 Mislim da ljudima ovde dajete lažnu nadu da misle da će nekako dobiti svoj novac nazad. Može se reći da su kockari.
If you got £50000 in charge backs my house is made of cheese!! 😂 I think your just giving people on here false hope to think they will somehow get their money back. You can tell they are gamblers.
Vtf da li znate da sam neki dan postavio snimke ekrana najnovijih povraćaja novca 
Wtf do you know ive posted screenshots of the refunds ya dafty latest one the other day
mogu potvrditi, ovi momci su legitimni, objavili su tonu dokaza.
can confirm, this guys legit, posted a tonne of evidence.
Hvala Gojira! Ne moram čak ni da budem ovde, sada sam ostao da pomažem drugima za razliku od ostalih koji su otišli odmah nakon što su povraćaji plaćeni
Thanks Gojira ! I do not even need to be on here now I have stayed on to help others unlike the rest who left right after refunds were paid
zdravo,
Imam jedno opšte pitanje o ovome. Imam problema sa kockanjem i želeo bih da me blokiraju širom sveta. To je već uspelo za Nemačku. Da li postoji način da budete blokirani od svih provajdera klađenja i kazina? Kome treba da se obratim? Hvala unapred.
Hello,
I have a general question about this. I have gambling problems and would like to be blocked worldwide. It has already worked for Germany. Is there a way to be blocked from all betting providers and casinos? Who do I need to contact? Thank you in advance.
Hallo,
Ich habe dazu eine allgemeine Frage. Ich habe Spielprobleme und möchte mich gerne weltweit sperren lassen. Für Deutschland hat es bereits geklappt. Gibt es eine Möglichkeit sich bei allen Wettanbietern und Casinos sperren zu lassen?? An wen muss ich mich wenden. Vielen Dank im Voraus.
Da li neko voli da kopa za mene? Vrtim se u krug, ne mogu da nađem više detalja!
transakcije VisionCraft Studios Ltd - kompaniji registrovanoj u poznatoj ulici Portland 85 - ne može da pronađe veb lokaciju ili bilo kakve kontakt podatke za njih ili njihovog direktora!
otkrili su da je to povezano sa kompanijom pod imenom Lootekor koja ima adresu e-pošte na veb lokaciji, ali ne odgovaraju!
Anyone like to do some digging for me? I’m going round in circles can’t find anymore details!
transacations to VisionCraft Studios Ltd - a company registered at the famous 85 Portland street - can’t find a website or any contact details for them or their director!
have found out it’s linked with a company named Lootexor which has an email address on the website but they don’t respond!
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