Hvala ti, vopeo, na odgovoru, uprkos tome što nisi odgovorio na sva moja pitanja. Iako se sami ne možete boriti protiv njih, mi smo tu da vam pomognemo.
Da budem iskren, da su vaši odgovori i dostavljene informacije od početka dosledni i istiniti, bez ikakvih neslaganja, mi bismo u potpunosti stali na vašu stranu. Međutim, postoje stvari koje ne možemo u dovoljnoj meri da razmotrimo zbog nedostajućih dokaza, koje može da obezbedi samo kazino. Jedini deo koji nedostaje je komunikacija između vas i kazina CS o bonusima, koje ste ranije spomenuli, i gde su vas predstavnici kazina CS (live chat) navodno više puta obaveštavali o uputstvima o depozitima i bonusima sa netačnim/obmanjujućim informacijama.
Pošto nije moguće u potpunosti potvrditi ili demantovati činjenicu da li ste znali za pravilo i državno ograničenje ili ne, vidimo dobar kompromis u vraćanju manjeg iznosa na vaš kazino račun (ili povlačenju manjeg iznosa). Sa druge strane, možemo videti greške na obe strane i stoga ne mislimo da je potpuno fer konfiskovati većinu vaših spornih dobitaka - pod uslovom da je sporni iznos ispravno podešen i da niste bili striktno obavešteni od strane CS kazina da niste mogli tražiti bonuse.
Dragi Freshbet Casino timu ,
Kao što je pomenuto, bilo je grešaka i na strani kazina i na strani igrača (ili ne možemo potvrditi/demantovati sve potrebne okolnosti). Stoga, pored mojih pitanja upućenih vama u mom prethodnom postu i mog zahteva da kazino pruži dodatne dokaze, evo naše preporuke kako da postupite...
Ako kazino nije u mogućnosti ili želi da obezbedi traženu transkripciju kompletne komunikacije između kazina i korisnika i/ili da dokaže da je korisnik čak i jasno obavešten o ograničenju za bonuse u zemlji putem ćaskanja uživo u kazinu ili u drugom način (pored Uslova i odredbi kazina koje igrači obično ne čitaju u potpunosti i koji se ne primenjuju u dovoljnoj meri na strani kazina), preporučujemo kazinu da vrati polovinu spornih dobitaka na korisničkom računu ili mu dozvoli da ih povuče.
Ako govorimo o spornom iznosu od 2.149€, a obično se u takvim situacijama u potpunosti stavljamo na stranu igrača (spremnost na odustajanje i kompromis zbog eventualne greške i kod igrača), 500€/oduzimanje većine dobitaka korisnika se ne smatra gestom dobre volje ili poštenim pristupom. U ovom slučaju, pravičan kompromis (objektivno, bez pružanja dodatnih dokaza) bi bio vraćanje polovine spornog dobitka (otprilike 1.000 € jer mu je kazino vratio depozit), što je isti kompromis za kazino kao i za igrača - igrač je pogrešio, dobio bi polovinu svog dobitka. Kazino je napravio grešku, u suštini može da konfiskuje i zadrži polovinu dobitaka korisnika samo na osnovu svojih netačnih podešavanja/aplikacije pravila i njihove nedovoljne primene, što omogućava igračima da ih lako/nesvesno prekrše i upadnu u zamku. Za sada, jedina stvar koja ide u prilog kazinu je činjenica da je igrač možda znao za pravilo ili nam nije dao potpune informacije. U suprotnom, insistirali bismo na isplati celokupnog iznosa njegovog spornog dobitka ili u okviru pravila bonusa/maksimalnog isplate iz bonusa.
Iako je korisnik mogao da prihvati samo 500€, on je prihvatio ponudu samo zato što su opcije bile samo da dobije 500€ ili ništa...
Ako možete u potpunosti da dokažete da je CS/live chat kazina jasno i dovoljno obavestio igrača da ne ispunjava uslove za bilo kakav bonus zbog ograničenja zemlje, što bi u ovom slučaju igralo u korist kazina, slobodno mi dostavite zatražili dokaze (komunikacija između kazina i korisnika) koji to potvrđuju, a stvar će se još jednom interno razgovarati sa timom. To bi moglo da promeni situaciju i našu poziciju.
U slučaju da želite da podelite relevantne dokaze (komunikaciju), slobodno ih pošaljite na moju e-poštu ( branislav.b@casino.guru ). U suprotnom, sačekaćemo vašu konačnu odluku i reakciju na našu preporuku.
Radujemo se Vašem odgovoru.
Thank you, wopeo, for your response, despite not answering all my questions. Although you cannot fight against them yourself, we are here to help you.
To be honest, if your replies and provided information were consistent and true from the beginning, without any discrepancies, we would side with you completely. However, there are things we cannot review sufficiently due to missing evidence, which can be provided only by the casino. The only missing piece is the communication between you and the casino CS about bonuses, which you mentioned earlier, and where casino CS (live chat) representatives allegedly informed you about instructions on deposits and bonuses with incorrect/misleading information repeatedly.
Since it is not possible to completely confirm or deny the fact whether you knew about the rule and country restriction or not, we see a good compromise in restoring a lower amount on your casino account (or a withdrawal of a lower amount). On the other side, we can see mistakes on both sides and therefore, we do not think it is completely fair to confiscate most of your disputed winnings - provided that the disputed amount was set up correctly and you were not strictly informed by the casino's CS that you could not claim bonuses.
Dear Freshbet Casino team,
As was mentioned, there were mistakes on both the casino's and the player's sides (or we cannot confirm/deny all the necessary circumstances). Therefore, in addition to my questions directed to you in my previous post and my request for the casino to provide additional evidence, here is our recommendation on how to proceed...
If the casino is not able or willing to provide the requested transcription of the complete communication between the casino and the user and/or to prove that the user was even clearly informed about the country restriction for bonuses by the casino's live chat or in a different way (besides the casino's Terms and Conditions which players usually do not read completely and are not enforced sufficiently on the casino's side), we recommend the casino restore half of the disputed winnings on the user's account or let him withdraw them.
If we are talking about a disputed amount of 2,149€, and we usually side with players in such situations completely (willingness to back down and compromise due to possibly a mistake on the part of the player as well), 500€/confiscation of most of the user's winnings is not considered a gesture of goodwill or a fair approach. In this case, a fair compromise (objectively, without providing further evidence) would be to restore half of the disputed winnings (approx. 1,000€ because the casino returned his deposit), which is the same compromise for the casino as for the player - the player made a mistake, he would receive half of his winnings. The casino made a mistake, it can basically confiscate and hold half of the user's winnings only based on its incorrect rules settings/application and their insufficient enforcement, which allows players to breach them easily/unknowingly, and fall into a trap. For now, the only thing that plays in favour of the casino is the fact the player possibly knew about the rule or did not provide us with complete information. Otherwise, we would insist on paying the entire amount of his disputed winnings or within the bonus rules/maximum cashout from the bonus.
Although the user was able to accept only 500€, he accepted the offer only because the options were only to receive 500€ or nothing...
If you can fully prove that the casino's CS/live chat clearly and sufficiently informed the player that he was not eligible for any bonus due to country restriction, which would play in favour of the casino in this case, feel free to provide me with the requested evidence (communication between the casino and the user) confirming that, and the matter will be once again discussed internally with the team. It could change the situation and our position.
In case you would like to share the relevant evidence (communication), feel free to send it to my email (branislav.b@casino.guru). Otherwise, we will wait for your final decision and reaction to our recommendation.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
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