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The player from the UK experienced an unexpected balance reduction during a game after depositing £2.6k and activating a bonus. Despite meeting the wager requirements, the casino removed £1.1k due to a maximum win limit, a rule unknown to the player. Live chat support deemed the balance as non-refundable. After communication and review of all the necessary details/evidence and the explanation from the casino, the complaint was marked as resolved.
Igrač iz UK je doživeo neočekivano smanjenje bilansa tokom igre nakon što je uplatio 2,6 hiljada funti i aktivirao bonus. Uprkos ispunjavanju uslova za opkladu, kazino je uklonio 1,1 hiljada funti zbog ograničenja maksimalnog dobitka, što je pravilo nepoznato igraču. Podrška za ćaskanje uživo smatra da je stanje nepovratno. Nakon komunikacije i pregleda svih potrebnih detalja/dokaza i objašnjenja iz kazina, žalba je označena kao rešena.
Danas sam deponovao ukupno 2,6 hiljada funti na razne depozite u sledećim vremenima:
Tip iznosa vremena
14:58 600 Depozit
14:16 450 Depozit
13:42 450 Depozit
13:29 500 Depozit
13:11 400 Depozit
12:24 250 Depozit
Omogućio sam bonus koji je bio:
Vreme - 13:46
Iznos - £5,85
Zahtev za opkladu - £115
Maksimalni limit dobitka - £38
Zatim sam izvršio sledeće opklade. Imajte na umu da žute ćelije ističu kada su ispunjeni uslovi za opkladu. Crvena je kada sam napravio svoj poslednji depozit, a poslednja transakcija je kada je kazino uklonio £1.1k sa mog stanja.
Kada sam uplatio £600, nisam imao pojma da je ovaj bonus aktivan pošto sam stavio toliko opklada. Sredstva su išla u moj novčanik „Pravi novac" i sve je izgledalo dobro. Prethodno sam izgubio saldo, otuda i novi depozit od 600 funti.
Uspeo sam da pretvorim 600 £ u 1 400 £ i bio sam usred moje ruke na blackjack-u, kada je moj balans odjednom porastao sa 1 400 £ na 288 £. Sprečava me da udvostručim ruku koju sam osvojio.
Bio sam šokiran, ovo je sigurno privremena greška koja će se sama popraviti.
Tako da ulazim u ćaskanje uživo i oni počinju da mi govore da su zbog aktivnog bonusa na mom nalogu sa maksimalnim ograničenjem dobitka od 30 funti, uklonili 1.100 funti sa mog stanja.
U šoku sam, položio sam 600 funti i bez obzira na to šta bih uradio, moj bilans će uvek biti smanjen na 30 funti? Kako to može biti?
Ispunio sam uslove za opkladu mnogo pre ovoga.
Kada razgovaram sa njihovim ćaskanjem uživo, oni mi samo neprestano govore da je sistem ispravan i da je stanje nepovratno.
Svaki savet? Pomoć molim!
Već sam danas izgubio 1000 funti, ne želim da izgubim još 1,1 hiljada funti zbog sistemske greške.
Today, I deposited a total of £2.6k over various deposits at the following times:
Time Amount Type
14:58 600 Deposit
14:16 450 Deposit
13:42 450 Deposit
13:29 500 Deposit
13:11 400 Deposit
12:24 250 Deposit
I enabled a bonus which was:
Time - 13:46
Amount - £5.85
Wager requirement - £115
Max win limit - £38
I then performed the following bets. Note, yellow cells highlight when the wager requirements are met. Red is when I made my last deposit and the last transaction is when the casino removed £1.1k from my balance.
By the time I deposit £600, I had no idea this bonus was active as I had placed so many bets. The funds were going into my 'Real Money' wallet and all looked good. I previously lost my balance, hence the new deposit of £600.
I managed to turn £600 into £1,400 and was in the middle of my hand on blackjack, when all of a sudden my balance went from £1,400 to £288. Stopping me from doubling down on a hand I won.
I was shocked, surely this is a temporary bug that'll fix itself.
So I get onto live chat and they start telling me that due to an active bonus on my account with a max win limit of £30, they've removed £1,100 from my balance.
I'm in shock, I've deposited £600 and regardless of what I would've done, my balance was always going to be reduced to £30? How can this be?
I met the wager requirements long before this.
When I speak to their live chat they just continuously tell me the system is correct and the balance is non-refundable.
Any advice? Help please!
I already lost £1k today as it is, I don't want to lose another £1.1k due to system error.
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Žao mi je što čujem za vaš problem. Dozvolite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja, kako bih u potpunosti razumeo celu situaciju.
Da li sam dobro razumeo da niste imali aktivno stanje kada ste napravili poslednji depozit?
Takođe, da li sam dobro razumeo da su ovi dobici akumulirani sa ovim depozitom?
Možete li proslediti svu relevantnu komunikaciju između vas i kazina na kristina.s@casino.guru ? Alternativno, možete ga objaviti ovde.
Nadam se da ćemo moći da vam pomognemo da rešite ovaj problem što je pre moguće. Hvala vam unapred na odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Kristina
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Dear Wicked243,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely.
Do I understand correctly that you didn't have any active balance when you made the last deposit?
Also, do I understand correctly that these winnings were accumulated with this deposit?
Could you please forward all the relevant communication between you and the casino to kristina.s@casino.guru? Alternatively, you can post it here.
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Kristina
Please be aware: At Casino.Guru, we never ask for your casino account password. While we may request information, we never seek access to your account. Please refrain from sharing your password with any third party. We primarily communicate through official threads, occasionally via email for requested supporting evidence or relevant communication.
Da li sam dobro razumeo da niste imali aktivno stanje kada ste napravili poslednji depozit?
Da to je tačno.
Takođe, da li sam dobro razumeo da su ovi dobici akumulirani sa ovim depozitom?
Da to je tačno. Deponovao sam £600 pravog gotovine i nastavio da osvojim £1,400.
Možete li proslediti svu relevantnu komunikaciju između vas i kazina na kristina.s@casino.guru ? Alternativno, možete ga objaviti ovde.
Pozvao sam se na njihove Uslove i odredbe, njihove uslove bonusa i nema nikakve reference na ono što oni govore.
Bukvalno, kažu da sam deponovao 600 funti, a dobici nakon mojih opklada su klasifikovani kao povezani sa aktivnim bonusom koji je imao ograničenje maksimalnog dobitka od 30 funti.
Opklade su bile sa pravim novcem i nemaju nikakve veze sa bonusom od £5 koji sam dobio.
Do I understand correctly that you didn't have any active balance when you made the last deposit?
Yes, that's correct.
Also, do I understand correctly that these winnings were accumulated with this deposit?
Yes, that's correct. I deposited £600 real cash and proceeded to win £1,400.
Could you please forward all the relevant communication between you and the casino to kristina.s@casino.guru? Alternatively, you can post it here.
I've referred to their Terms & Conditions, their Bonus Terms and there's no reference to what they're saying.
Literally, they're saying I deposited £600 and the winnings after my bets were classified as relating to the active bonus that had a max-win limit of £30.
The bets were with real money and nothing to do with the bonus of £5 I received.
Puno vam hvala, Vicked243, na saradnji. Vašu žalbu ću sada preneti kolegi Branislavu ( branislav.b@casino.guru ) koji će vam biti na usluzi. Želim vam puno sreće i nadam se da će problem biti rešen na vaše zadovoljstvo u bliskoj budućnosti.
Thank you very much, Wicked243, for your cooperation. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Branislav (branislav.b@casino.guru) who will be at your service. I wish you the best of luck and hope the problem will be resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Žao mi je što čujem za vaše neprijatno iskustvo i izvinjavam se zbog kašnjenja. Hvala vam i na e-poruci i dodatnim informacijama. Kontaktiraću kazino i potrudiću se da rešim problem što je pre moguće. Sada bih želeo da pozovem predstavnika kazina da se pridruži ovom razgovoru i učestvuje u rešavanju ove žalbe.
Poštovani timu Jokabet kazina ,
Možete li nam dati detaljno objašnjenje situacije igrača i potkrepiti je relevantnim dokazima i primenjenim pravilima?
Ako vam više odgovara, slobodno pošaljite potrebne dokaze na moju imejl adresu ( branislav.b@casino.guru ).
Unapred hvala na pružanju informacija.
Hello, Wicked243,
I am sorry to hear about your unpleasant experience and apologize for the delay. Thank you also for your email and additional information. I will contact the casino and try my best to resolve the issue as soon as possible. Now I would like to invite the casino representative to join this conversation and participate in the resolution of this complaint.
Dear Jokabet Casino team,
Could you please provide us with a detailed explanation of the player's situation and support it with relevant evidence and applied rules?
If it suits you better, feel free to send the necessary evidence to my email address (branislav.b@casino.guru).
Thank you in advance for providing the information.
Zaista cenimo što ste odvojili vreme da nas obavestite o ovom problemu.
Veoma nam je žao što niste bili upoznati sa našom politikom bonusa.
Vaš iznos bonusa je bio £3,85, nakon što ste uložili bonus, ostalo vam je 38,50 na vašem računu, a preostali iznos od £1108,20 je izgubljen u skladu sa našim uslovima i odredbama bonusa od 3,25: "Dobitci od bonusa su ograničeni na maksimalno k10 iznos bonusa".
Takođe možete videti maksimalan iznos dobitka od bonusa u odeljku „Novčanik i bonusi", u opisu aktivnog bonusa.
Nadamo se Vašem razumevanju.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Jokabet Team.
Hello, dear all!
We really appreciate you taking the time to let us know about this issue.
We are very sorry that you were not aware of our bonus policy.
Your bonus amount was £3.85, after you wagered the bonus you had 38.50 left in your account and the remaining amount of £1108.20 was forfeited according to our 3.25 bonus terms and conditions :"Winnings from the bonus are restricted to a maximum of x10 the bonus amount".
You could also see the maximum winning amount from a bonus in the "Wallet and Bonuses" section, in the description of the active bonus.
Ali Jokabet, još uvek ne razumeš... ovo nije bio bonus novac. Bio je to pravi novac sa kojim sam se igrao. Pogledajte £600 koje sam deponovao sat vremena nakon što je bonus dat.
3.9 Svi bonusi su lepljivi. To znači da ne možete tražiti povlačenje dok se ne ispune uslovi za klađenje. Takođe, prvo počinjete da igrate za pravi novac, zatim za bonus novac, a čim se bonus novac pojavi na listi, bonus se takođe gubi.
9.1 Bonus saldo je podeljen na dva dela: pravi i bonus. U zavisnosti od kog dela ovog bilansa je opklada napravljena, dobitak se pripisuje tom delu. Bonus se kladi samo na opklade iz bonus dela bonus stanja, a opklade iz stvarnog dela bonus salda se ne klade. Trenutni iznos opklade se povećava samo kada se iskoristi novac iz bonus dela salda bonusa.
But Jokabet, you're still not understanding... this was not bonus money. It was real money I was playing with. Refer to the £600 I deposited an hour after the bonus had been given.
3.9 All the bonuses are sticky. This means that you cannot request your withdrawal until wagering requirements are fulfilled. Also, you start playing for real money first, then for bonus money, and as soon as bonus money is list, the bonus is also lost.
9.1 The bonus balance is divided into two parts: real and bonus. Depending on which part of this balance the bet is made from, the winning is accrued to that part. The bonus only wagers bets from the bonus part of the bonus balance, and bets from the real part of the bonus balance are not wagered. The current wager amount is increased only when the money from the bonus part of the bonus balance is used.
Zdravo Jokabet, nisam siguran sa kim ovde komuniciram. Međutim, primio sam nekoliko e-poruka i poruka u poslednjih nekoliko dana u kojima sam obavešten da ću dobiti povraćaj sredstava. Međutim, izgleda da je vaša poruka u suprotnosti sa ovim.
Možete li interno da proverite šta se tačno dešava?
Hi Jokabet, not sure who I'm communicating with here. However, I've received a few emails and communications over the last few days letting me know that I'm going to get a refund. However, your messaging seems to be contradicting this.
May you check internally what exactly is going on please?
otvorili ste spor u vezi pitanja bonusa i gde su preostala sredstva nestala nakon klađenja bonusa - ovde razgovaramo o ovom pitanju.
Prethodno smo dali objašnjenja u vezi sa ovom situacijom i čekamo da Branislav proveri dokaze poslate poštom.
Što se tiče povraćaja sredstava, molimo vas da putem pošte kontaktirate stručnjake koji su vas kontaktirali u vezi sa ovim problemom, jer se povraćaj ne odnosi na problem o kome se raspravljalo u sporu.
Nadamo se Vašem razumevanju.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Jokabet Team.
Dear Wicked243,
you have opened a dispute regarding bonus issues and where the remaining funds disappeared after wagering the bonus - here we are discussing this issue.
We have previously provided explanations regarding this situation and are waiting for Branislav to check the evidence sent by mail.
Regarding your refund, we kindly ask you to be in contact with the specialists by mail who contacted you regarding this issue, cause the refund does not relate to the problem discussed in the dispute.
Kako biste mogli da igrate samo sa pravim novcem ako (što je u suštini prikazano u video snimku koji ste mi dali), u nekom trenutku, vaš bonus saldo je smanjen? Da li to ne znači da ste, možda nenamerno ili nesvesno, stavili opkladu više nego što je bio vaš trenutni pravi novac, pa ste se delimično kladili sa bonus novcem i počeli da kladite bonus dobitke?
Poštovani timu Jokabet kazina ,
Možete li molim vas da pogledate moju poslednju e-poštu i da mi dostavite traženu (korisničke dnevnike igara)?
Takođe, još nekoliko pitanja.
Da li sam dobro razumeo da je dotični bonus bio besplatni okretaji za određenu igru? Da li je tih 3,85 bio iznos besplatnih okretaja ili iznos dobitaka od tih FS (sve FS koje je sam igrač ručno potrošio u određenoj igri)?
Dear Wicked243,
How could you play only with a real money balance if (which is basically shown in the video you provided me with), at some point, your bonus balance was decreased? Does that not mean that you, maybe unintentionally or unknowingly, placed a bet of more than your current real money was, so partially bet with bonus money and started wagering the bonus winnings?
Dear Jokabet Casino Team,
Can you please look at my last email and provide me with the requested (the user's game logs)?
Also, a few more questions.
Do I understand correctly that the bonus in question was Free Spins for a specific game? Was those 3,85 the amount of the Free Spins or the amount of the winnings from those FS (all FS manually spent in the specific game by the player himself)?
Zdravo Branislave, možda sam se kladio na iznos koji je bio veći od mog pravog novca, ali verujem da je to bio £240,85.
£240 je pravi keš, £0,85 je bonus.
Od tog trenutka pa nadalje, igrao sam samo sa pravim kešom. Prema njihovim uslovima i odredbama, bonus od 0,85 funti je trebalo da postane bonus od 1,70 funti, a pravi keš 480 funti.
Bonus su zaista bili besplatni okreti za određenu igru. Verujem da sam imao 20 i od njih sam osvojio 3,85 funti.
Hi Branislav, I may have placed a bet for an amount that was more than my real money, but I believe it was £240.85.
£240 being real cash, £0.85 being bonus.
From that point onwards, I only played with real cash. As per their terms and conditions, £0.85 bonus should have become £1.70 bonus and real cash £480.
The bonus was indeed free spins for a specific game. I had 20 I believe, and from them I won £3.85.
Hvala obojici na vašim odgovorima i dodatnim informacijama i izvinjavam se zbog kašnjenja.
Dragi Jokabet timu ,
Nažalost, poslali ste mi potvrdu o povraćaju sredstava u vezi sa drugim problemom. To je objasnio vaš kolega gore i nije trebalo da se odnosi na ovu žalbu.
Dakle, molim vas, pogledajte moju poslednju e-poštu u vezi sa ovim slučajem i moju prethodnu objavu upućenu predstavniku kazina i dostavite mi traženo. Iako sam dobio istoriju bonusa, neke stvari su još uvek nejasne. Bilo bi veoma zahvalno ako biste mogli da mi pošaljete evidenciju igara korisnika putem e-pošte i pružite informacije da li postoji maksimalni iznos opklade za dotični bonus.
Ako sam dobro razumeo problem nakon što sam pregledao sve prikupljene detalje iz kazina i igrača, moguće je da je sistem kazina greškom primenio maksimalni bonus dobitak/maksimalni limit za isplatu na njegov depozit od stvarnog novca i dobitke prikupljene od toga.
Radujemo se Vašem odgovoru.
Thank you both for your replies and additional information, and I am sorry for the delay.
Dear Jokabet Team,
Unfortunately, you sent me the confirmation of the refund related to another issue. It was explained by your colleague above, and it should not have been related to this complaint.
So, please, look at my last email regarding this case and my previous post directed to the casino representative, and provide me with the requested. Although I was provided with a bonus history, some things are still unclear. It would be highly appreciated if you could send me the user's game logs via email and provide the information if there was any maximum bet amount for the bonus in question.
If I understand the issue correctly after reviewing all the gathered details from the casino and the player, it is possible that the casino system applied the bonus maximum win/maximum cashout limit mistakenly to his real money deposit and winnings accumulated from that.
Hvala na dodatnim informacijama i pojašnjenju, Jokabet tim. Možete li molim vas da pogledate moju poslednju e-poštu u vezi sa tim i da mi date tražene detalje?
Dragi Vicked243 ,
U međuvremenu, želeo bih da pitam za video koji ste ranije podelili sa mnom.
Dok igrate sa vašim pravim novcem, otprilike prva polovina videa - postoje 2 "prozora" sa iznosima koji prikazuju "uloženo" i "rezultat", koji su očigledno dodati video snimku ručno. Međutim, postoje i iznosi za stanje „stvarnog novca", stanje „bonus novca" i „zahtev za klađenje" – da li su ti iznosi stvarni podaci koje ste videli na svom nalogu tokom igre, ili je bilo šta od ostatka ekran nekako uređen, kao što su pomenuti elementi "uloženi" i "rezultat"?
Ako je sve osim iznosa „uloženih" i „rezultata" bilo prikazano tokom vaše reprodukcije tačno kao u vašem videu, gde se tačno prikazalo?
Thank you for the additional information and clarification, Jokabet Team. Can you please look at my last email regarding the matter and provide me with the requested details?
Dear Wicked243,
In the meantime, I would like to ask about a video you shared with me earlier.
While playing with your real money funds, approximately the first half of the video - there are 2 "windows" with the amounts showing "wagered" and "result", which were obviously added to the video manually. However, there are also amounts for "real money" balance, "bonus money" balance, and "wagering requirement" - are those amounts the real data that you saw in your account during your play, or, was anything from the rest of the screen somehow edited, such as the mentioned "wagered" and "result" elements?
If everything besides the "wagered" and "results" amounts were displayed during your play exactly as in your video, where exactly did it display?
Produžavamo tajmer za 7 dana. Molim vas da znate da ukoliko ne odgovorite u zadato vreme ili ne pružite asistenciju, mi ćemo da odbijemo prigovor.
Dear Wicked243,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
Produžujemo tajmer za 7 dana. Imajte na umu da ćemo u slučaju da ne odgovorite u datom roku ili vam ne bude potrebna dalja pomoć, smatrati da je žalba rešena.
Dear Wicked243,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or do not require any further assistance, we will consider the complaint resolved.