Igrač iz Ukrajine optužen je za otvaranje više računa.
Dobar dan!
Imam problema s kazinom Parimatch.
1. marta primio sam pismo iz kazina da, da bih podigao svoja sredstva (1849 USD), moram pružiti fotografiju u boji ličnog dokumenta i svoj selfi uz njega. Istog dana pružio sam sve.
Potom je 7. marta 2021. primljen zahtjev, kao odgovor na koji sam istog dana Skrill poslao snimku zaslona svojih ličnih podataka, a Skrillu snimku zaslona s depozitima u Parimatchu.
Kazino je 11. marta zatražio fotografiju računa za komunalne usluge, 15. marta poslao sam račun za struju.
20. marta, na zahtjev kazina, poslao sam selfi sa ličnom kartom u pozadini prepiske sa službom za podršku Parimatch.
31. marta poslao sam selfi sa ličnom kartom i prilogom na karticu br. 13 sa adresom za registraciju.
5. aprila poslao sam drugi selfi u skladu sa zahtjevima kazina.
Kasnije sam iz pisma dobio pismo u kojem me kazino optužuje za kršenje odredbe 80.4 Pravila, odnosno više računa, i obavještava o oduzimanju mojih dobitaka i depozita.
Ranije sam imao račun u Parimatchu. Prije stvaranja novog, izbrisao sam ga. Nakon brisanja, stari račun nije korišten, bio je neaktivan. Stoga je optužba za više računa neutemeljena.
Sada je kazino aktivirao stari račun da bi me optužio.
Smatram da su akcije kazina neiskrene prema meni kao igraču.
Molim za pomoć u rješavanju moje situacije.
Good day!
I'm having trouble with Parimatch Casino.
On March 1, I received a letter from the casino that in order to withdraw my funds ($ 1849), I need to provide a color photo of an identity document and my selfie with it. On the same day, I provided everything.
Then, on March 7, 2021, a request was received, in response to which, on the same day, I sent a screenshot of my personal data to Skrill and a screenshot with deposits in Parimatch to Skrill.
On March 11, the casino asked for a photo of the utility bills, on March 15, I sent a bill for electricity.
On March 20, at the request of the casino, I sent a selfie with an ID card in the background of correspondence with the Parimatch support service.
On March 31, I sent a selfie with an ID card and an attachment to card No. 13 with the registration address.
On April 05, I sent a second selfie in accordance with the requirements of the casino.
Later, I received a letter from the casino, in which the casino accuses me of violating clause 80.4 of the Rules, namely a multi-account, and informs about the confiscation of my winnings and deposit.
I previously had an account at Parimatch. Before creating a new one, I deleted it. After deletion, the old account was not used, it was inactive. Therefore, the accusation of multi-account is unfounded.
Now the casino has activated the old account to accuse me.
I consider the actions of the casino to be dishonest towards me as a player.
I ask for your help in resolving my situation.
Dragi RighikY,
Hvala vam što ste podnijeli žalbu. Žao mi je zbog vašeg problema. Dopustite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja kako bih mogao u potpunosti razumjeti cijelu situaciju. Možete li vas molim vas savjetovati zašto je vaš stari račun zatvoren? Da li su u bilo kojem trenutku oba računa bila istovremeno aktivna? Jeste li iskoristili neke promotivne ponude u ovom casinu?
Uvijek preporučujemo ponovno aktiviranje starog računa umjesto stvaranja novog kako biste izbjegli nesporazum.
Nadam se da ćemo vam moći pomoći da što prije riješite ovaj problem. Unaprijed se zahvaljujem na odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Petronela
Dear RighikY,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely. Could you please advise why your old account has been closed? Were there, at any time, both accounts active simultaneously? Have you redeemed any promotional offers in the past in this casino?
We always recommend reactivating the old account instead of creating a new one to avoid any misunderstanding.
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Petronela
Draga Petronela!
Kao odgovor na vaše pismo, obavještavam vas da sam stari račun zatvorio po vlastitom nahođenju, nije bilo kršenja s moje strane. Nakon brisanja, stari račun nije korišten, bio je neaktivan. Koliko se sjećam, u igri preko starog računa ranije nisam sudjelovao u promocijama kazina.
Kasnije sam odlučio ponovo igrati u kazinu. Ali otkako je moj račun zatvoren, kreirao sam novi. U isto vrijeme računi nisu bili aktivni. Sada je kazino aktivirao stari račun kako bi me optužio i ne isplatio moj dobitak.
Štaviše, u procesu igranja putem novog računa, donio sam oko deset zaključaka o dobicima.
Pri registraciji novog casino računa znalo se za deaktiviranje starog računa, a casino me nije zaustavio i uspješno isplatio dobitak
Sada je kazino aktivirao stari račun kako bi me optužio i ne isplatio moj dobitak.
Smatram da je ponašanje kazina prema meni nekorektno.
Molim za pomoć.
Dear Petronela!
In response to your letter, I inform you that the old account was closed by me at my own discretion, there were no violations on my part. After deletion, the old account was not used, it was inactive. As far as I remember, in the game through the old account, I have not previously participated in casino promotions.
Later, I decided to play in the casino again. But since my account was closed, I created a new one. At the same time, the accounts were not active. Now the casino has activated the old account in order to accuse me and not pay out my winnings.
Moreover, in the process of playing through a new account, I made about ten winnings conclusions.
When registering a new casino account, it was known about the deactivation of the old account, and the casino did not stop me and successfully paid out winnings
Now the casino has activated the old account in order to accuse me and not pay out my winnings.
I consider the casino's behavior to be incorrect towards me.
I ask for your help.
Zdravo!
Na moju žalost, ne sjećam se tačnog datuma zatvaranja starog računa i nije moguće provjeriti.
Kao i prije, objavljujem da sam odlučio da zatvorim svoj račun po vlastitom nahođenju, odlučio sam da preispitam svoje igračke aktivnosti. Nisam mislio da bi to moglo stvoriti takve probleme.
Hello!
To my regret, I do not remember the exact date of the closure of the old account, and it is not possible to check.
As before, I announce that I decided to close my account at my own discretion, I decided to rethink my gaming activities. I didn't think it could cause such problems.
Zdravo,
Ne treba navoditi tačan datum, samo se pitam koliko je to davno bilo. Jeste li ikada spomenuli problem s kockanjem kada ste zatražili zatvaranje računa?
Hello,
No need to provide the exact date, I'm just wondering how long ago it was. Have you ever mentioned a gambling problem when requesting your account closure?
Dobar dan) Koliko se sjećam, stari račun je zatvoren prije otprilike godinu dana.
Nije bilo spomena o problemima s kockanjem, jer ja nisam imao i nemam takvih problema.
Good afternoon) As far as I remember, the old account was closed about a year ago.
There were no mentions of problems with gambling, since I did not have and do not have such problems.
Puno vam hvala, Righik Y, na odgovoru. Provjerio sam opće uvjete i ovo sam pronašao https://global.parimatch.com/en/terms-and-conditions :
"Kladionica zadržava pravo da poništi zaključeni ugovor (uključujući i kladioničarstvo prije ili nakon početka događaja), da odbije ispunjavanje obaveza prema takvom ugovoru (uključujući odbijanje isplate dobitaka) ili od povrata bilo koje položene oklade , ako:
Utvrđeno je da
• jedan klijent ima nekoliko računa igara (višestruka registracija, više računa), uključujući pod novim imenom. Kladionica ne preporučuje dva ili više klijenata da klade sa iste IP adrese (jedan uređaj, lokalna mreža) "
Imajte na umu, čak i ako je vaš stari račun prethodno zatvoren i oba računa nisu bila istovremeno aktivna, stvorili ste više registracija. Kao što sam ranije spomenuo, uvijek preporučujemo da zatražite reaktivaciju bilo kojeg starog računa prije stvaranja potpuno novog.
Možete li, molim vas, savjetovati da li ste to pokušali? Radujem se vašem javljanju.
Thank you very much, Righik Y, for your reply. I have checked the general terms and conditions, and this is what I found https://global.parimatch.com/en/terms-and-conditions:
"The Betting company reserves the right to invalidate the concluded agreement (including the bets placer before or after the beginning of the event), refuse to fulfill obligations under such an agreement (including refuse to pay any winnings) or from return of any placed bet, if:
It was determined that
• one Client has several game accounts (multiple registration, multi-accounts), including under a new name. The Betting company does not recommend two or more Clients to place bets from the same IP address (one device, local network)"
Please understand, even if your old account has been closed previously and both accounts were not active simultaneously, you have created multiple registrations. As I mentioned earlier, we always recommend requesting reactivation of any old account before creating a brand new one.
Could you please advise if you have tried to do so? Looking forward to hearing from you.
Dobar dan! Nisam zatražio reaktivaciju jer je moj stari račun bio neaktivan. Kazino je bio svjestan deaktiviranja starog računa, kasino me nije zaustavio i uspješno je isplatio dobitak.
Štaviše, u procesu igranja putem novog računa, donio sam oko deset zaključaka o dobicima.
Good day! I did not request reactivation because my old account was inactive. The casino was aware of the deactivation of the old account, the casino did not stop me and successfully paid out winnings.
Moreover, in the process of playing through a new account, I made about ten winnings conclusions.
Poštovani kupče!
Tijekom provjere vašeg računa za igre, utvrđeno je kršenje pravila kompanije, odnosno višestrukog računovodstva, što znači i ostalih računa za igre. Štoviše, na jednom od njih svirali ste prije nekoliko dana. Ovo je nesumnjivo ozbiljno kršenje i zapisano je u pravilima kompanije. Prema tim informacijama, uprava je odlučila otpisati sredstva i zatvoriti račun. Daljnja igra na njemu nije dostupna. Odluka je konačna i ne podliježe reviziji.
Dear customer!
During the verification of your gaming account, there were found violations of the company's rules, namely, multi-accounting, which means other gaming accounts. Moreover, on one of them you have been played a few days ago. This is undoubtedly a serious violation and it is written in the company's rules. According to this information, the administration decided to write off the funds and close the account. Further game on it is not available. The decision is final and not subject to revision.
Dobar dan!
Vodeći se pravilima kazina i zbog činjenice da je moj novi račun blokiran, odlučio sam se za stari. Istovremeno 2 računa nisu bila aktivna. Ne vidim kršenje pravila i uslova kazina. I dalje vjerujem da mi je kasino nezakonito oduzeo dobitak.
Good day!
Guided by the rules of the casino, and due to the fact that my new account is blocked, I decided to use the old one. Simultaneously 2 accounts were not active. I do not see any violation of the rules and conditions of the casino. I still believe that the casino illegally confiscated my winnings.
Kreirali ste više registracija. Imajte na umu da igračima nije dozvoljeno jednostavno prebacivanje između nekoliko računa koje registriraju. Kao što sam već spomenuo, uvijek preporučujemo da kontaktirate Casino podršku i komuniciramo o pristupu ili ponovnom aktiviranju starih računa kako bismo izbjegli bilo kakve nesporazume u budućnosti.
Možete li, molim vas, objasniti šta ste pod tim mislili?
"Štaviše, u procesu igranja putem novog računa donio sam oko deset zaključaka o dobicima."
Da li dobro razumijem da ste uspješno podigli novac na svom drugom računu? Unaprijed se zahvaljujem na odgovoru.
You have created multiple registrations. Please understand players are not allowed to simply switch between several accounts that they register. As I mentioned previously, we always recommend contacting Casino Support and communicate any accessing or reactivating of old accounts to avoid any misunderstandings in the future.
Could you please explain what you meant by this?
"Moreover, in the process of playing through a new account, I made about ten winnings conclusions."
Do I understand correctly that you have made successful withdrawals in your second account? Thank you in advance for your reply.
Dobar dan! Mislio sam da igram na novi račun. Podignuo sam oko 10 dobitaka sa svog računa. Kazino je znao za stari račun. Kazino je uspješno isplatio dobitak i nije me spriječio u obavljanju kockarskih aktivnosti.
Good day! I meant that I was playing on a new account. I have withdrawn about 10 winnings from my account. The casino was aware of an old account. The casino successfully paid out winnings and did not stop me from performing gambling activities.
Hvala, RighikY, na pojašnjenju. Sad razumijem da $ 1,849 nije bilo vaše prvo povlačenje i ranije ste dobijali dobitke sa drugog računa. Možete li nas posavjetovati da li ste profitirali od bilo koje promotivne ponude dok je vaš drugi račun bio aktivan?
Thank you, RighikY, for the clarification. I understand now that $1,849 wasn't your first withdrawal and you have received winnings from your second account previously. Could you please advise if you have profited from any promotional offers while your second account was active?
Puno vam hvala, RighikY, na odgovoru. Sada ću vašu žalbu prenijeti na kolegu Mateja koji će vam biti na pomoći. Želim vam puno sreće i nadam se da ćete u bliskoj budućnosti vidjeti kako se vaš problem rješava na vaše zadovoljstvo.
Thank you very much, RighikY, for your reply. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Matej who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Pozdrav RighikY i predstavnik kasina Parimatch.
Žao mi je zbog svih problema.
Želio bih zamoliti predstavnika kasina Parimatch da mi pošalje dokaze o višestrukom računovodstvu RighikY na matej@casino.guru
Hvala
Hello RighikY and the Parimatch casino representative.
I am sorry to hear about all the troubles.
I would like to ask the Parimatch casino representative to send me proofs about RighikY's multi-accounting to matej@casino.guru
Thanks
Pozdrav RighikY.
Kazino mi je pokazao dokaz da imaju 4 računa s istim podacima i jedan koji je otvorio vjerovatno vaš rođak. Možete li to objasniti?
Hello RighikY.
The casino showed me evidence that they have 4 accounts with the same data and one opened probably by your relative. Could you please explain it?
Dobar dan! Imam 2 računa koji nikada nisu bili aktivni u isto vrijeme. Što se tiče ostalih računa, pretpostavljam da pripadaju mojim imenjacima. Imam prilično često prezime u Ukrajini. Ne mogu biti odgovoran za postupke trećih strana.
Good afternoon! I have 2 accounts that have never been active at the same time. As for the other accounts, I assume that they belong to my namesakes. I have a fairly common surname in Ukraine. I cannot be held responsible for the actions of third parties.
Žao mi je, RighikY,
ali kazino je pružio dokaze iz kojih je jasno da opcija za imenjake nije u mogućnosti.
Najmanje tri računa pripadaju vama.
U takvom slučaju nemate prava na svoj dobitak.
Zao mi je.
I dalje se možete žaliti regulatoru kasina ako vjerujete da smo pogrešno odlučili.
I am very sorry, RighikY,
but the casino provided evidence from which it is clear that the namesake option is out of the table.
At least three of the accounts belongs to you.
In such a case, you have no rights to your winnings.
I am sorry.
You can still complain to the casino regulator if you believe that we decided wrongly.
Dobar dan! S obzirom na činjenicu da sam siguran da imam 2 računa koji istovremeno nisu bili aktivni, dajte mi priliku da pregledam dokaze koje je pružio kasino.
Takođe, kasino je bio svjestan prisustva starog neaktivnog računa, i kazino mi je omogućio da registriram novi i igram. Kazino je zauzeo win-win poziciju: ako izgubim, kazino uzima novac, ako ja pobijedim, kasino mi ne daje moj novac. Smatram da je to obmanjujuće i kršenje međunarodnog prava. Kazino ima pravo, u skladu s pravilima, blokirati moj račun, ali nakon što mi isplati moj novac.
Good day! In view of the fact that I am sure that I have 2 accounts that were not active at the same time, please give me the opportunity to review the evidence provided by the casino.
Also, the casino was aware of the presence of an old inactive account, and the casino allowed me to register a new one and play. The casino has taken a win-win position: if I lose, the casino takes the money, if I win, the casino does not give me my money. I consider this to be misleading and a violation of international law. The casino has the right, in accordance with the rules, to block my account, but after paying me my money.
Nakon procjene svih dokaza iz kazina, očito je da je RighikY, otvaranjem više računa, dobio prednost kada je tražio više bonusa na svojim računima. Stoga kazino ima pravo poništiti svoj dobitak.
After evaluating all the evidence from the casino, is obvious that RighikY, by opening multiple accounts, got an advantage when he claimed multiple bonuses on his accounts. Therefore the casino has the right to void his winnings.
Dobar dan!
Naveli ste da kasino ima pravo poništiti moj dobitak. U ovom slučaju tražim povrat depozita od 160 USD. Napokon, prilikom registracije drugog računa u kasinu dobro se znalo za deaktiviranje prvog računa. I kasino je zauzeo win-win poziciju: ako izgubim, kazino dobiva moj novac, ako pobijedim, kasino mi oduzima dobitak.
Good day!
You indicate that the casino has the right to void my winnings. In this case, I am requesting a refund of my $ 160 deposit. After all, when registering a second casino account, it was well known about the deactivation of the first one. And the casino has taken a win-win position: if I lose, the casino gets my money, if I win, the casino confiscates my winnings.
Žao mi je, ali kazino je iznio dokaze da tri, a ne dva računa pripadaju vama. Dvoje od njih bilo je istovremeno aktivno.
Jasno ste iskoristili casino bonuse na ovim računima (tako da ste imali prednost nad ostalim igračima), + najmanje još 2 računa su registrovana pod vašom rodbinom (porodicom).
Pa zamislite situaciju da pokušavate opljačkati banku, a policajci vas uhvate. Zatim idete u zatvor (novac vam se poništava jer ste počinili prevaru - u ovom slučaju).
Tražite povrat depozita - što je u ovoj situaciji kao kad bi policajci pustili pljačkaša nakon što su ga uhvatili i dali mu još jednu priliku da to ponovi.
Tako da mi je žao - nemate pravo vratiti depozite.
I am sorry, but the casino presented evidence that three accounts, not two, belongs to you. Two of them were active simultaneously.
You clearly took advantage of casino bonuses on these accounts (so you had an advantage over other players), + at least another 2 accounts are registered under your relatives (family).
So imagine the situation that you are trying to rob a bank, and the policemen catch you. Then you go to jail (your money are voided because you committed fraud - in this case).
You are asking for refunding you the deposits - which is in this situation like if police officers let a robber go after they caught him and give him another chance to do it again.
So I am sorry - you have no right to get your deposits back.
Dobar dan! S obzirom na činjenicu da optužbe bez dokaza nemaju pravnu snagu, tražim od kasina da mi pruži priliku da se upoznam sa dokazima svoje krivice: prisustvo 3 računa, istovremena aktivnost dva računa.
Good day! In view of the fact that accusations without evidence have no legal force, I ask the casino to provide me with the opportunity to familiarize myself with the evidence of my guilt: the presence of 3 accounts, the simultaneous activity of two accounts.
Žao mi je, RighikY, ne možemo s vama podijeliti dokaze. Ako smatrate da je naša odluka netačna, uvijek možete kontaktirati regulator:
https://verification.curacao-egaming.com/validateview.aspx?domain=parimatch.com
Ali žao mi je, ne možemo vam više pomoći.
Budući da nam je kasino predstavio dokaze iz kojih je očito da je RighikY stekao prednost kada je otvorio više računa i tražio višestruke bonuse, odlučili smo odbiti ovaj slučaj kao neopravdan.
I am sorry, RighikY, we cannot share the evidence with you. If you believe that our decision is incorrect, you can always contact the regulator:
https://verification.curacao-egaming.com/validateview.aspx?domain=parimatch.com
But I am sorry, we can't help you more.
Because the casino presented us evidence from which it is obvious that RighikY gained an advantage when he created multiple accounts and claiming multiple bonuses, we decided to reject this case as unjustified.
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