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The player from the United States won $1,700 on a non-deposit bonus, but when attempting to withdraw the winnings, they disappeared from the account. During the complaint process, it became known that the maximum cashout for the deposit bonus is 50$. Player could not confirm the opposite and has stopped responding.
Igrač iz Sjedinjenih Država je osvojio 1.700 dolara na bonus bez depozita, ali kada je pokušao da podigne dobitak, oni su nestali sa računa. Tokom procesa žalbe, postalo je poznato da je maksimalni iznos gotovine za bonus na depozit 50$. Igrač nije mogao da potvrdi suprotno i prestao je da odgovara.
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Osvojio sam 1700 na bonus bez depozita, odigrao potreban iznos da bih mogao da podignem sve što je bilo 1400 ili više i kada sam pritisnuo dugme da podignem BOOM, nestalo je. Pogledao sam transakciju i kaže da je poništenje deponovano-transakcija odobrena! Na gubitku sam da budem iskren i danima sam im pisao e-poštu bez ičega o verifikaciji ili da odgovorim na bilo koje od mojih pitanja. Osvojio sam mnogo novca - igrao sam preko 1400$ da bih završio sa 1700, imao sam sreće i sada osećam da će sada platiti. Prošlo je više od 5 dana bez povratne e-pošte od njih ili bilo kakvog znaka da ću videti dobitke koje sam osvojio pošteno!
Won 1700 on a non deposit bonus, played the required amount to be able to withdraw it all which was 1400 or over and when I went to hit the button to withdraw BOOM it disappeared. I looked at the transaction and it says reversal deposited- transaction approved! I’m at a loss to be honest and I have emailed them for days with nothing abck about verification or to answer any of my questions. It’s alot of money I won- I played over 1400$ to end up with 1700, I got lucky and now I feel they will now pay. It has been over 5 days without an email back from them or any sign I will be seeing the winnings I won fair and square!
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Dragi jessnapo37,
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Žao mi je što čujem za vaš problem.
Proverio sam opšte uslove bonusa i evo šta sam našao ( ovde ):
7.10. Opšta pravila bonusa za besplatne čipove
Igrač razume da osim ako nije drugačije navedeno u promociji, igrač mora da uloži 40 puta veću vrednost bonusa za besplatni čip.
Osim ako nije drugačije navedeno u promociji, igrač može povući najmanje $/€/AUD 20 i maksimalno 2k vrednost bonusa besplatnog čipa. Igrač razume da nakon što igrač primi maksimalan iznos povlačenja naveden u promociji besplatnog čipa, kazino će izbrisati višak sredstava sa korisničkog računa.
Želeo bih da naglasim da, prema našem Kodeksu za pošteno kockanje , smatramo da je nametnuto ograničenje dobitka nepošteno i predatorsko, samo kada se primenjuje na igru sa pravim novcem, međutim, prihvatamo uslove i uslove za bonus koji ograničavaju maksimalnu isplatu gotovine od bonusa igra.
Da li sam dobro razumeo da su vaši dobici u potpunosti prikupljeni od besplatnog bonusa? Možete li molim vas da kažete koliko je bio nagrađeni bonus?
Hvala vam unapred na odgovoru i nadam se da ćemo moći da vam pomognemo što je pre moguće.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Petronela
Dear jessnapo37,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem.
I have checked the general bonus terms and conditions, and this is what I found (here):
7.10. General bonus rules for free chips
The player understands that unless otherwise stated in the promotion, the player must wager 40 times the value of a free chip bonus.
Unless otherwise stated in the promotion, the player can withdraw a minimum of $/€/AUD 20 and a maximum of 2x the value of the free chip bonus. The player understands that after the player has received the maximum withdrawal amount specified in the free chip promotion, the casino will delete the excess funds from the user's account.
I would like to emphasize, that according to our Fair Gambling Codex, we consider imposed win limit to be unfair and predatory, only when it’s applied to a real money game, however, we accept bonus T&Cs that restrict the maximum cash out from a bonus play.
Do I understand correctly that your winnings have been accumulated from a free bonus entirely? Could you please advise how much was the rewarded bonus?
Thank you in advance for your reply and I hope we will be able to help you as soon as possible.
Best regards,
Petronela
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Zdravo, hvala vam još jednom što ste pomogli oko ovoga, slao sam im e-poštu tri puta dnevno skoro nedelju dana i ništa nisam čuo. Bio je to 100$ bez depozita i pročitao sam celu stvar i kako sam pobeđivao, iznos koji sam morao da odigram je bio 1400$ što sam i uradio. Imao sam preko 2 hiljade do tada. Kada sam otišao da unovčim na 1728, pisalo je da je cela stvar dostupna za povlačenje, ali kada sam kliknuo na nju, puf, pisalo je storniranje kupona- povlačenje-transakcija odobrena- poništavanje kupona. Pobedio sam pošteno i pošteno, uverio sam se da sam igrao sve što sam imao da sam sajt sada pesak pošto sam otišao da podignem novac oni su me potpuno ignorisali. Igrao sam i kladio se na preko 1400 da bih bio siguran da mogu to da izvadim. Molim vas pomozite mi, ovo je nepravedno da to mogu da rade ljudima
Hi thank you again for helping with this, I’ve emailed them like three times a day for almost a week and have heard nothing back. It was a non deposit 100$ and I read through the entire thing and as I was winning, the play through amount I had to play was 1400$ which I did. I had over well over 2 grand by then. When I went to cash out at 1728 it said the whole thing was available to be withdrawn but when I clicked it, poof it said coupon reversal- withdrawal- transaction approved- coupon reversal. I won fair and square, I made sure I played all I had to that the site itself sand now since I went to withdraw the money they have completely ignored me. I played and wager over 1400 to make sure I could take that out. Please help me this is unfair that they can do this to people
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Dakle, dobici su bili od bonusa i pratio sam igru kroz iznos i kada sam ga spustio na 1400 mogao sam da podignem nešto više od 900, tako da kada je pao na nulu, oni su ga jednostavno uzeli. Igrao sam satima, i iskreno ništa nije bilo o tome da sam mogao da podignem samo 2k iznos bonusa. Dobio sam bonus kao novi igrač i pobedio sam na njihov novčić. Oduzimanje mojih krila je pogrešno - igrao sam mnogo da bih dobio taj iznos i potreban mi je.
So the winnings were from the bonus and I was tracking the play thru amount and when I got it down to 1400 I was able to withdraw a little over 900 so when it hit zero they just took it. I played for hours, and honestly nothing was on there about only being able to withdraw 2x the bonus amount. I was fairly given the bonus as a new player and I won on their dime. Taking my winngings away is wrong- I played alot to get that amount and I need it.
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Pa sam samo otišao i proverio i cela transakcija više nije tu – imam snimke ekrana
So I just went and checked and the whole transaction is not there anymore- I have screenshots
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Limitless mi je poslao poruku na sajtu koji mi, inače, više nije dozvoljeno da koristim, kada sam pitao za uslove i odredbe za tu promociju, prekinuli su ćaskanje i imam snimke ekrana svega! Objasnio sam da sam osvojio više od dva hiljada odigranih kroz potrebnih 1400 i mogao sam da se povučem, ali onda su to uzeli – predstavnik je pokušao da mi kaže da je bonus rekao da je maksimalna isplata od 50$ na mojih 1700 dobitaka i kada sam rekao ne, imam detalje, oni završio ćaskanje i zatvorio me sa sajta i kojih 10% je u detaljima
Limitless messaged me on the site which btw I’m not allowed to use anymore, when I asked for the terms and conditions for that promo they ended the chat and I have screen shots of it all! I explained I won over two grand played thru the 1400 required and was able to withdraw but then they took it- the rep tried to tell me the bonus said 50$ max pay out on my 1700 winnings and when I said no I have details they ended chat and closed me out of the site and which 10% is in the details
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Hvala na razjašnjenju. Možete li da nam kažete kako ste aktivirali bonus? Da li je bio dostupan unutar vašeg kazino naloga ili ste ga dobili kao promotivnu ponudu od kazina putem e-pošte ili SMS-a?
Thank you for the clarification. Could you please advise how you activated the bonus? Was it available inside your casino account or you received it as a promotional offer from the casino via email or SMS?
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Otišao sam na internet i bilo je to sa drugima za bonus za novog igrača bez depozita
I went online and it was on with others for a no deposit new player bonus
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bilo koje Vesti?
any news?
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Hvala vam puno, jessnapo37, što ste dali sve potrebne informacije. Sada ću preneti vašu žalbu kolegi Pavelu ( _KSKSKSKSKS_0@email.kkkkk ) koji će vam biti u pomoći. Želim vam puno sreće i nadam se da će vaš problem biti rešen na vaše zadovoljstvo u bliskoj budućnosti.
PS: Pošto je iznos nagrađenog bonusa bio 100 dolara, podesio sam sporni iznos sa 1,728 na 200 dolara.
Thank you very much, jessnapo37, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Pavel (pavel.k@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
PS: Since the rewarded bonus amount was $100, I adjusted the disputed amount from $1,728 to $200.
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Zdravo, jessnapo37!
Hvala na strpljenju. Sada ću se pobrinuti za vašu žalbu i nadam se da ćemo zajedno rešiti problem.
Želeo bih da pozovem kazino da im pruži priliku da objasne svoju stranu situacije.
Hvala vam!
Hello, jessnapo37!
Thank you for your patience. Now I will be taking care of your complaint and I hope that together we will resolve the problem.
I would like to invite the casino to give them a chance to explain their side of the situation.
Thank you!
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Zdravo jessnapo37,
Nadamo se da ste dobro.
Imajte na umu da je vaš nalog pregledan u vezi sa incidentom koji ste opisali.
25. jula ste iskoristili svoj bonus dobrodošlice bez depozita, INSTANT100. Nakon što ispunite vaše zahteve za klađenje, sistem automatski oduzima stanje koje je bilo iznad maksimalnog limita za isplatu za bonus, koji iznosi 50,00 dolara.
Ovo je normalno ponašanje sistema i navedeno je u Zvaničnim uslovima i odredbama Limitless kazina.
b." Osim ako nije drugačije navedeno u promociji, igrač može povući najmanje $/€/AUD50 i maksimalno 5k vrednost bonusa besplatnog čipa. Igrač razume da će Kazino ukloniti višak sredstava sa korisničkog naloga nakon Igraču se plaća maksimalni iznos povlačenja naveden u promociji besplatnog čipa. "
Nakon što je vaš bilans podešen na maksimalnu granicu za isplatu, nastavili ste da igrate i, nažalost, niste imali sreće i izgubili ste dobitak.
Ispod možete videti snimke ekrana igračevog dnevnika događaja, kao i igre koje su igrane nakon što su ispunjeni uslovi za klađenje i došlo je do preokreta.
Nadamo se da je dato objašnjenje dovoljno jasno i razumljivo. Obavestite nas ako su potrebne dodatne informacije.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Lucas Bellingham
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Hello jessnapo37,
We hope that you are well.
Please note that your account has been reviewed regarding the incident you described.
On July 25th, you have redeemed your No-deposit Welcome bonus, INSTANT100. Upon meeting your wagering requirements, the system automatically deducting balance that was above the Maximum Cashout limit for the bonus, which is $50.00.
This is normal system behavior and it is stated in the Official Terms & Conditions of Limitless Casino.
b. "Unless otherwise stated in the promotion, the Player may withdraw a minimum of $/€/AUD50 and a maximum of 5x the value of the free chip bonus. The Player understands that the Casino will clear the excess funds from the User Account after the Player is paid the maximum withdrawal amount stated in the free chip promotion."
After your balance was set to the max cashout limit, you have continued playing and, unfortunately, had no luck and lost the winnings.
Below, you may see screenshots of the player's event log and also the games that were played after the wagering requirements were met and the reversal occurred.
We hope that the explanation provided is clear and understandable enough. Please let us know if any additional information is needed.
Kind Regards,
Lucas Bellingham
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Hvala vam na odgovoru, Lucas!
Da li sam dobro razumeo, da je maksimalna isplata od bonusa besplatnog čipa pet puta veća od iznosa bonusa? A 50$ je minimalna moguća isplata od toga?
Thank you for your response, Lucas!
Do I understand correctly, that the maximum cashout from the free chip bonus is five times the bonus amount? And the 50$ is the minimum possible cashout from it?
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Zdravo Pavel,
Imajte na umu da ovaj specifični bonus ima maksimalno ograničenje isplate od 50,00 USD.
Obavestite me ako su potrebne dodatne informacije.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Lucas Bellingham
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Hello Pavel,
Please note that this specific bonus has a $50.00 max cashout limit.
Please let me know if any additional information is needed.
Kind Regards,
Lucas Bellingham
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Hvala, Lucas!
jessnapo37, nažalost, nisam mogao da pronađem nijedan znak INSTANT100 bonusa na stranici kazina, tako da ne mogu da proverim njegove odredbe i uslove. Stoga, ne postoji dokaz da maksimalna isplata za ovaj bonus nije 50$, osim ako, možda, postoji način da pokušate da pretražite istoriju svog kazino naloga i proverite da li postoji način da dođete do ovih uslova. Molim vas, javite mi ako nađete nešto!
Thank you, Lucas!
jessnapo37, unfortunately, I could not find any sign of the INSTANT100 bonus on the casino page, so I cannot check its terms and conditions. Therefore, there is no proof that the maximum cashout for this bonus is not 50$, unless, maybe, there is a way for you to try to search your casino account history and check if there is a way to get to these terms. Please, let me know if you will find anything!
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Imam snimke ekrana koje ću poslati
I have screenshots I’ll send over
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Dakle, ako je isplata 5k veća od besplatnog čipa - to bi bilo 500$, a ne 50! Kako to ima smisla da imate to pravo u uslovima i rokovima i onda platite samo 50$ koje mi nikada nije data prilika da igram jer ste uzeli sve
So if the payout is 5x the free chip- that would equal 500$ not 50! How does that make sense you have that right in the terms and conditions and then only pay out 50$ which I never was given the chance to play bc you took everything
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jessnapo37, prema Opštim uslovima isplata je 5k iznos bonusa, ali u uslovima tog konkretnog bonusa sa kojim ste igrali, navedeno je da je maksimalna isplata 50$. Još jednom, ovo znamo samo iz uslova koje nam je kazino tim obezbedio, tako da, da bismo znali da li je postojao takav termin u vreme kada ste sami aktivirali bonus, potrebna nam je informacija koja nam to pokazuje. Molim vas, pošaljite snimke ekrana na moju e-poštu: _KSKSKSKSKS_0@email.kkkkk .
jessnapo37, according to General Terms and Conditions payout is 5x the bonus amount, but in conditions of that specific bonus that you have played with, it is stated that the max cashout is 50$. Once more, we only know this from terms that the casino team has provided us, so, to know if there had been such term at the time when you have activated the bonus yourself, we need any information that shows us so. Please, send screenshots to my e-mail: pavel.k@casino.guru.
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Dragi jessnapo37,
Produžavamo tajmer za 7 dana. Molim vas da znate da ukoliko ne odgovorite u zadato vreme ili ne pružite asistenciju, mi ćemo da odbijemo prigovor.
Dear jessnapo37,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
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Prolazim kroz sve da pošaljem snimke ekrana i stvari koje imam od njih i mejlove.
I’m going thru everything to send the screenshots and things I have from them and emails.
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jessnapo37, da li ste našli bilo kakav dokaz da je maksimalni iznos gotovine naveden kao drugačiji od 50$?
jessnapo37, have you found any proof of the fact that the maximum cashout amount was stated as other than 50$?
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Dragi jessnapo37,
Produžavamo tajmer za 7 dana. Molim vas da znate da ukoliko ne odgovorite u zadato vreme ili ne pružite asistenciju, mi ćemo da odbijemo prigovor.
Dear jessnapo37,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
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Nažalost, igrač nije odgovorio na naše poruke i pitanja. Shodno tome, nismo u mogućnosti da dalje istražujemo i nemamo drugog izbora nego da odbijemo ovu žalbu.
Igrač može ponovo da otvori ovu žalbu u bilo kom trenutku.
Unfortunately, the player has not responded to our messages and questions. Consequently, we are unable to investigate further and have no choice but to reject this complaint.
The player can reopen this complaint at any time.
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