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NineWin Casino - Igrački nalog je zatvoren zbog tvrdnji o manipulisanom kockanju.
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The player from the United Kingdom filed a complaint against Ninewin Casino for unfair gaming practices and technical manipulations, claiming total losses of £20,000 due to being logged out during winning streaks and the removal of games to prevent further wins. After receiving a dismissive response from the casino, the player demanded a full investigation and compensation while their account was blocked. We reviewed the extensive evidence submitted by the player but found insufficient verifiable proof, such as complete game histories, technical logs, or video recordings, to confirm the alleged forced logouts or game manipulation. The casino’s removal of a game was deemed a discretionary action and not a violation. Concerns about responsible gambling measures were not supported by evidence of casino negligence. Consequently, the complaint was closed due to lack of grounds for further investigation.
Igrač iz Ujedinjenog Kraljevstva podneo je žalbu protiv kazina Ninewin zbog nefer prakse u igrama i tehničkih manipulacija, tvrdeći da je pretrpeo ukupne gubitke od 20.000 funti zbog odjavljivanja tokom niza pobeda i uklanjanja igara kako bi se sprečili dalji dobici. Nakon što je dobio odbacujući odgovor od kazina, igrač je zahtevao potpunu istragu i nadoknadu štete dok mu je nalog bio blokiran. Pregledali smo opsežne dokaze koje je igrač podneo, ali smo pronašli nedovoljno proverljivih dokaza, kao što su kompletne istorije igara, tehnički dnevnici ili video snimci, koji bi potvrdili navodne prisilne odjavljivanja ili manipulacije igrama. Uklanjanje igre od strane kazina smatrano je diskrecionom akcijom, a ne kršenjem pravila. Zabrinutost u vezi sa merama odgovornog kockanja nije potkrepljena dokazima o nemarnosti kazina. Shodno tome, žalba je zatvorena zbog nedostatka osnova za dalju istragu.
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Podnosim ovu žalbu protiv kazina Ninewin zbog nefer prakse u igrama i tehničkih manipulacija. Moji ukupni gubici su mnogo veći od iznosa koji sam prvobitno tražio kao poravnanje. Ranije sam ponudio da se nagodim za 1.000 funti kao gest dobre volje, ali s obzirom na odbacujući stav kazina, sada tražim potpunu istragu o mojim ukupnim gubicima.
Konkretno, u igri „Vrata Olimpa", svaki put kada bih počeo da pobeđujem, sistem bi me nasilno odjavio greškom „Molimo vas da se prijavite". Štaviše, nakon što sam postigao značajne dobitke na ruletu, kazino je potpuno uklonio igru sa svoje veb stranice kako bi me sprečio da dalje pobeđujem.
Kazino mi je ponudio bonus od 500 funti da odustanem od slučaja, što je uvredljivo s obzirom na hiljade funti koje sam izgubio zbog ovih tehničkih „grešaka". Njihov odgovor e-poštom se krije iza izgovora „generacije slučajnih grešaka" i ignoriše sistematske udarce koje sam doživeo. Zahtevam potpuni povraćaj mojih depozita i pravednu nadoknadu za ove manipulisane sesije igranja.
„Povećao sam svoj zahtev na 20.000 funti jer je, nakon moje formalne žalbe, kazino sada blokirao moj nalog, sprečavajući me da pristupim svojoj istoriji i sredstvima. Ova odmazdna mera, u kombinaciji sa tehničkim manipulacijama koje sam doživeo i psihološkim stresom izazvanim stalnim skretanjima njihovog VIP menadžmenta, opravdava veću nadoknadu za moje ukupne gubitke i nepravedan tretman."
Imam još mnogo snimaka ekrana i dnevnika ćaskanja u vezi sa ovim sporom, ali sam mogao da otpremim samo ograničen broj zbog ograničenja priloga. Molim vas, obavestite me ako vam trebaju dodatni dokazi, i rado ću vam dostaviti sva preostala dokumenta putem e-pošte ili na drugi način.
I am filing this complaint against Ninewin Casino due to unfair gaming practices and technical manipulations. My total losses are much higher than the amount I initially requested as a settlement. I previously offered to settle for £1,000 as a gesture of goodwill, but given the casino's dismissive attitude, I am now seeking a full investigation into my total losses.
Specifically, in the 'Gates of Olympus' game, every time I started to win, the system forcefully logged me out with a 'Please log in' error. Furthermore, after I achieved significant wins on Roulette, the casino completely removed the game from their website to prevent me from winning further.
The casino offered me a £500 bonus to drop the case, which is insulting considering the thousands of pounds I have lost due to these technical 'errors'. Their email response hides behind 'RNG' excuses and ignores the systematic kicks I experienced. I demand a full refund of my deposits and fair compensation for these manipulated gaming sessions.
"I have increased my claim to £20,000 because, following my formal complaint, the casino has now blocked my account, preventing me from accessing my history and funds. This retaliatory action, combined with the technical manipulations I experienced and the psychological stress caused by their VIP management's constant deflections, justifies a higher compensation for my total losses and unfair treatment.
have many more screenshots and chat logs regarding this dispute, but I could only upload a limited number due to the attachment limit. Please let me know if you need further evidence, and I will be happy to provide all remaining documents via email or other means."
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Dragi GamerTurk2024,
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Žao mi je zbog vašeg problema. Molim vas, prosledite sve dokaze, kao što su snimci ekrana ili video snimci, eventualno vašu istoriju igara sa tačnim vremenom incidenta, zajedno sa svim relevantnim informacijama. attila.g@casino.guru Da li ste prestali da igrate odmah nakon incidenta?
U međuvremenu, pogledajte naš članak koji objašnjava „Kako se programiraju slot mašine" https://casino.guru/how-slot-machines-work-math#how-are-slot-machines-programmed i možda će vam pomoći da razumete kako serveri komuniciraju sa igračima i koji problemi mogu nastati usput. Molimo vas da imate razumevanja da bez ikakvih dokaza ne možemo dalje nastaviti sa ovim slučajem jer bi bilo gotovo nemoguće suočiti se sa kazinom.
Radujem se vašem odgovoru. Unapred hvala na razumevanju.
Srdačan pozdrav,
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Dear GamerTurk2024,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. Could you please forward any supporting evidence, such as screenshots or videos, possibly your game history with the exact time of the incident along with any relevant communication to attila.g@casino.guru? Have you stopped playing right after the incident?
Meanwhile, please check our article explaining "How slot machines are programmed" https://casino.guru/how-slot-machines-work-math#how-are-slot-machines-programmed and maybe it’ll help to understand how servers communicate with players and what issues might occur on the way. Please understand that without any supporting evidence, we can’t proceed further with this case as it would be close to impossible to confront the casino.
Looking forward to hearing from you. Thank you in advance for your understanding.
Best regards,
Attila
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Dragi GamerTurk2024,
Produžavamo tajmer za 7 dana. Molim vas da znate da ukoliko ne odgovorite u zadato vreme ili ne pružite asistenciju, mi ćemo da odbijemo prigovor.
Dear GamerTurk2024,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
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Hvala vam na odgovoru. Kao što je zatraženo, dostavljam sveobuhvatne dokaze u vezi sa mojim sporom sa Ninewin Casino-om. Dokazi koje prilažem jasno pokazuju da ovo nije jednostavan „tehnički kvar", već sistematska manipulacija i potpuni neuspeh usklađenosti sa propisima.
1. Sistematska manipulacija igrama (priloženi vizuelni dokazi):
Prilažem snimke ekrana koji prikazuju tačan trenutak incidenta. Videćete poruku „Greška: Molimo vas da se prijavite" koja se pojavljuje posebno tokom trenutaka sa velikim potencijalom za dobitak (bonus runde/besplatni okreti). Kazino tvrdi da nisu pronađene greške, ali moj vizuelni dokazi dokazuju suprotno. Štaviše, nakon značajne pobede na ruletu, igra je odmah uklonjena sa platforme za moj nalog, što je jasan znak ciljanja uspešnih igrača.
2. Finansijske nepravilnosti i prikrivena plaćanja:
Priložio sam potvrde o uplati. Primetićete da uplate nisu izvršene na ime „Ninewin Casino", već na razna nepovezana imena trećih strana poput „Lia Cosm", „Wandf" i drugih. Ovo izaziva ozbiljnu zabrinutost u vezi sa transparentnošću i finansijskim integritetom kazina.
3. Grubo kršenje „Odgovornog kockanja" i „Izvora sredstava" (SOF):
Uprkos tome što su moji ukupni gubici dostigli hiljade funti, kazino nikada nije izvršio proveru „izvora sredstava". Dozvolili su mi da uplatim ogromne iznose preko ovih sumnjivih računa trećih lica, a da pritom nisu ni jednom doveli u pitanje moje finansijsko stanje ili poreklo sredstava. Ovo je ozbiljno kršenje međunarodnih standarda licence za kockanje (AML/KYC/društvena odgovornost).
4. Priznanje krivice putem ponuda za poravnanje:
VIP menadžment kazina (Fil) me je više puta kontaktirao putem WhatsApp-a (logovi su priloženi) nudeći „bonuse dobre volje" od 200 i 500 funti da se slučaj odustane. Da zaista „nije bilo grešaka", kako tvrde u svojim imejlovima, ne bi nudili tako visoke iznose kao mito da ćutim. Odbio sam ove uvredljive ponude jer ne pokrivaju moje stvarne gubitke izazvane njihovim manipulisanim sistemom.
Zaključak:
Zbog tehničkih manipulacija, psihološkog stresa izazvanog njihovim izbegavajućim VIP upravljanjem i jasnog kršenja propisa o kockanju, povećao sam svoj zahtev na 20.000 funti. Očekujem potpunu istragu ovih „kvarova" koji se, izgleda, javljaju samo tokom dobitnih sesija.
Drago mi je da pružim dodatne zapise ili video dokaze ako je potrebno.
Thank you for your response. As requested, I am providing comprehensive evidence regarding my dispute with Ninewin Casino. The evidence I am attaching clearly demonstrates that this is not a simple "technical glitch," but a systematic manipulation and a total failure of regulatory compliance.
I am attaching screenshots showing the exact moment of the incident. You will see an "Error: Please log in" message appearing specifically during high-win potential moments (Bonus rounds/Free spins). The casino claims no errors were found, but my visual evidence proves otherwise. Furthermore, following a significant win on Roulette, the game was immediately removed from the platform for my account, which is a clear sign of targeting successful players.
2. Financial Irregularities & Shadow Payments:
I have attached my deposit receipts. You will notice that the payments were not made to "Ninewin Casino," but to various unrelated third-party names like "Lia Cosm," "Wandf," and others. This raises serious concerns about the casino's transparency and financial integrity.
3. Gross Violation of "Responsible Gambling" & "Source of Funds" (SOF):
Despite my total losses reaching thousands of pounds, the casino never conducted a "Source of Funds" check. They allowed me to deposit vast amounts through these suspicious third-party accounts without once questioning my financial well-being or the origin of the funds. This is a severe breach of international gambling license standards (AML/KYC/Social Responsibility).
4. Admission of Fault via Settlement Offers:
The casino’s VIP management (Phil) repeatedly contacted me via WhatsApp (logs attached) offering "goodwill" bonuses of £200 and £500 to drop the case. If there were truly "no errors" as they claim in their emails, they would not be offering such high amounts as a bribe to stay quiet. I have rejected these insulting offers as they do not cover my actual losses caused by their manipulated system.
Conclusion:
Due to the technical manipulations, the psychological stress caused by their evasive VIP management, and the clear violation of gambling regulations, I have increased my claim to £20,000. I expect a full investigation into these "glitches" that only seem to occur during winning sessions.
I am happy to provide further logs or video evidence if needed.
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„Evo preostalih snimaka ekrana i potvrda o uplati za moj slučaj:"
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Takođe, hteo sam da pitam: zapravo sam vam poslao dva imejla 15. maja koji sadrže sve ove snimke ekrana i detalje. Možete li, molim vas, proveriti da li su završili u vašem folderu za neželjenu poštu ili je došlo do greške pri isporuci? Želim da budem siguran da niste ništa propustili i da naša buduća komunikacija teče glatko.
Also, I wanted to ask: I actually sent you two emails on May 15th containing all these screenshots and details. Could you please check if they ended up in your spam folder, or if there was a delivery failure? I want to make sure you didn't miss anything and that our future communication goes through smoothly.
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Hvala vam na odgovoru. Mogu da potvrdim da sam primio/la vaše imejlove.
Da bih mogao pravilno da procenim problem, da li biste mogli da podelite svoju kompletnu istoriju igara? Predlažem da zatražite kompletnu istoriju igara direktno od kazina u Eksel formatu. Istorija igara treba da pokriva ceo relevantni period u kojem su se dogodili navodni prekršaji.
Što se tiče drugog pitanja, žao mi je, ali mi ne smatramo takve funkcije obaveznim u onlajn kazinima i nećemo moći da obradimo zahtev za povraćaj novca samo na osnovu činjenice da ste izvršili više depozita u kratkom roku.
Unapred hvala na vašem odgovoru.
Thank you for your response. I can confirm that I have received your emails.
In order for me to properly asses the issue, could you please share your complete game history? I suggest requesting the complete game history directly from the casino in Excel format. The game history should cover the whole of the relevant period where the alleged violations occurred.
As to the other issue, I am sorry, but we don't consider such features mandatory in online casinos, and we won't be able to pursue a refund request just based on the fact that you made multiple deposits in short succession.
Thank you in advance for your reply.
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Dragi Atila,
Zbog sistemskih ograničenja na panelu za žalbe, podnosim dokaze u grupama. Molim vas da sve snimke ekrana (od slike_21 do slike_33) smatrate sveobuhvatnim skupom.
Ovi zapisi dokazuju:
1 Dosledni prinosi niži od mojih iznosa opklada.
2 Tehničke nedoslednosti i manipulacije koje sam naveo.
3 Da je odbrana kazina da „nije bilo tehničke greške" netačna.
Pored toga, moram da istaknem ključna pitanja:
Manipulacija odjavom/zamrzavanjem naloga: Posebno kada igram sa pravim novcem, sistem me je često primoravao da se odjavim ili mi je zamrzavao nalog. Ovo je jasan dokaz da je igra manipulisana kako bi se prekinula igra kada imam potencijal da pobedim.
Manipulacija listom igara (ciljana intervencija): Jedina igra koju sam igrao i konstantno pobeđivao, „Američki rulet", namerno je uklonjena sa platforme posebno za moj nalog nakon što sam započeo niz pobeda. Ovo nije slučajnost; to je personalizovana strategija manipulacije usmerena na sprečavanje moje zarade. Umesto toga, kazino me je gurnuo ka igrama koje izazivaju gubitke putem ciljanih bonusa.
Pored toga, uprkos značajnom ukupnom iznosu koji sam uplatio, uprava kazina nije izvršila nikakvu verifikaciju „izvora sredstava", što pokazuje nemar u KYC/AML obavezama.
Stoga Vas ljubazno molim da nastavite sa procenom na osnovu svih dostavljenih dokaza, uključujući i ove operativne propuste, i da zaključite žalbu u vezi sa mojim finansijskim gubicima.
Dear Attila,
Due to system limitations on the complaint panel, I am submitting my evidence in batches. Please consider all screenshots (image_21 to image_33) as a comprehensive set.
These records prove:
1 Consistent returns lower than my bet sums.
2 The technical inconsistencies and manipulations I have claimed.
3 That the casino's defense of 'no technical error' is inaccurate.
Furthermore, I must highlight critical issues:
Log Out/Freeze Manipulation: Especially when playing with real money, the system frequently forced me to log out or froze my account. This is clear evidence that the game is manipulated to interrupt play when I have the potential to win.
Game List Manipulation (Targeted Intervention): The only game I played and consistently won on, 'American Roulette,' was deliberately removed from the platform specifically for my account after I began a winning streak. This is not a coincidence; it is a personalized manipulation strategy aimed at preventing my earnings. Instead, the casino pushed me toward loss-inducing games through targeted bonuses.
In addition, despite the significant total amount I deposited, the casino management performed no 'Source of Funds' verification, demonstrating negligence in KYC/AML obligations.
Therefore, I kindly request that you proceed with the evaluation based on all the evidence provided, including these operational failures, and conclude the complaint regarding my financial losses."
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Dragi Atila,
Snimci ekrana koje sam dostavio (slika_21 - slika_33) su tačan odraz istorije mog naloga. Međutim, da bih dodatno ojačao svoj slučaj, ljubazno vas molim da formalno zatražite od kazina da mi dostavi kompletnu istoriju transakcija u igrama za datum 28. april 2026. godine, u Eksel ili PDF formatu. Ako kazino ne dostavi ovaj dokument ili ako njihovi zapisi protivreče mojim, to će poslužiti kao dodatni dokaz da njihov sistem nije transparentan.
Dear Attila,
The screenshots I provided (image_21 - image_33) are an exact reflection of my account history. However, to further strengthen my case, I kindly request that you formally ask the casino to provide my full game transaction history for the date of April 28, 2026, in an Excel or PDF format. If the casino fails to provide this document or if their records contradict mine, it will serve as further proof that their system lacks transparency."
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Dragi GamerTurk2024,
Nažalost, trenutno nemamo nikakve dokaze o samom incidentu (kao što je vaša kompletna istorija igre u Eksel formatu koja prikazuje prekinutu igru ili video snimak incidenta).
Bez ikakve prateće dokumentacije, bilo bi nam izuzetno teško da se obratimo kazinu i zatražimo istragu, jer su nam potrebne barem neke proverljive informacije o predmetnoj sesiji. Ako ste u mogućnosti da dobijete bilo šta relevantno, molim vas da mi to prosledite, a mi ćemo to rado pregledati i utvrditi da li možemo da nastavimo sa slučajem.
Međutim, ako se ne mogu pružiti jasni dokazi o tehničkom problemu, nažalost ćemo morati da odbijemo žalbu zbog nedovoljnih informacija.
Što se tiče vaše tvrdnje da su prihodi konstantno bili niži od iznosa vaših opklada, ne možemo izneti argument isključivo na osnovu onoga što opisujete. Sve kazino igre funkcionišu sa unapred definisanim procentom povrata igraču (RTP), što obezbeđuje slučajnost i pravičnost na duži rok, ali ne garantuje pojedinačne dobitke. Kratkoročni rezultati mogu značajno da variraju, a povremeni gubici ili manji dobici su normalan deo igre. Ponekad možete imati sreće, a ponekad ne; tako funkcionišu kazina i kazino igre. Preporučio bih vam da pročitate naš članak o odnosu isplate (RTP): https://casino.guru/learn-about-games-of-chance-rtp-variance
Hvala vam na razumevanju i radujem se vašem odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Atila
Dear GamerTurk2024,
Unfortunately, at the moment, we do not have any evidence of the incident itself (such as your complete game history in excel format showing the interrupted play, or a video recording of the incident).
Without any supporting documentation, it would be extremely difficult for us to approach the casino and request an investigation, as we need at least some verifiable information about the session in question. If you are able to obtain anything relevant, please forward it to me, and we will gladly review it and determine whether we can proceed with the case.
However, if no clear evidence of the technical issue can be provided, we may unfortunately have to reject the complaint due to insufficient information.
As to your claim that the returns were consistently lower than your bet sums, we cannot make a case solely based on what you are describing. All casino games operate under a predefined Return to Player (RTP) percentage, which ensures randomness and fairness over the long term but does not guarantee individual winnings. Short-term results can vary widely, and occasional losses or smaller wins are a normal part of gameplay. Sometimes you might get lucky and sometimes not; that's how casinos and casino games work. I would recommend reading our article about Payout ratio (RTP): https://casino.guru/learn-about-games-of-chance-rtp-variance
Thank you for your understanding, and I look forward to your reply.
Best regards,
Attila
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Takođe bih želeo da se osvrnem na zahtev za dodatne dokaze.
Direktno sam kontaktirao kazino i zatražio svoju istoriju igranja i prateću evidenciju, ali nisam dobio odgovor niti pristup traženim informacijama.
Zbog toga bih bio zahvalan na uputstvima o tome kako se od mene očekuje da pružim dokaze koje kontroliše sam kazino. Ako postoji poželjan način za slanje snimaka ekrana, imejlova ili dodatnih dokumenata, molim vas da me obavestite i ja ću vam pružiti sve što imam.
Što se tiče video dokaza, koristim samo jedan mobilni telefon i nisam očekivao da ću morati neprekidno da snimam ekran dok igram. Kada su se desili prekidi, moja trenutna reakcija je bila da pokušam da se ponovo prijavim i nastavim sesiju umesto da počnem sa snimanjem.
Iz tog razloga, nemam video snimke incidenata, ali imam snimke ekrana, imejlove i zapise ćaskanja. Ljubazno vas molim da odsustvo videa ne bi trebalo automatski da poništi moju žalbu i da se uzmu u obzir i dostupni tehnički logovi i zapisi naloga.
I would also like to address the request for additional evidence.
I contacted the casino directly and requested my gaming history and supporting records, but I have not received a response or access to the information requested.
Because of this, I would appreciate guidance on how I am expected to provide evidence that is controlled by the casino itself. If there is a preferred way to submit screenshots, emails or additional documents, please let me know and I will provide everything I have.
Regarding video evidence, I only use one mobile phone and I did not expect that I would need to continuously record my screen while playing. When the interruptions happened, my immediate reaction was to try to log back in and continue the session rather than start recording.
For this reason, I do not have video recordings of the incidents, but I do have screenshots, emails and chat records. I kindly ask that the absence of video should not automatically invalidate my complaint and that available technical logs and account records are also considered.
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GamerTurk2024
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Javno
pre 2 meseci
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Takođe želim da izrazim koliko sam razočaran trenutnim procesom.
Podneo sam ovu žalbu jer sam verovao da će moje zabrinutosti biti nezavisno i pravedno razmotrene. Međutim, u ovoj fazi, smatram da je najveći deo tereta dokazivanja problema stavljen na mene, dok evidencija koju poseduju kazino i provajder izgleda nije ispitana u istoj meri.
Razumem da su dokazi važni i pokušavam da u potpunosti sarađujem dostavljajući snimke ekrana, imejlove i objašnjenja. Međutim, iz moje perspektive, trenutno se čini kao da se mojim zabrinutostima pristupa sa više skepticizma nego sa istragom u vezi sa informacijama koje kontroliše kazino.
Ne tražim od nikoga da automatski stane na moju stranu. Jednostavno tražim uravnoteženu i nezavisnu reviziju i da se zatraže i procene dostupni zapisi pre nego što se donesu zaključci.
Verovao sam u ovaj proces i nadao se da ću dobiti podršku u pravilnom istraživanju mojih nedoumica i pravednom rešavanju moje situacije.
I also want to express how disappointed I feel with the current process.
I submitted this complaint because I trusted that my concerns would be reviewed independently and fairly. However, at this stage, I feel that most of the burden has been placed on me to prove issues while the records held by the casino and provider do not appear to have been examined to the same extent.
I understand that evidence is important and I am trying to cooperate fully by providing screenshots, emails and explanations. However, from my perspective, it currently feels as though my concerns are being approached with more scepticism than scrutiny toward the information controlled by the casino.
I am not asking anyone to take my side automatically. I am simply asking for a balanced and independent review and for the available records to be requested and assessed before conclusions are reached.
I trusted this process and hoped to receive support in properly investigating my concerns and resolving my situation fairly.
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GamerTurk2024
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Javno
pre 2 meseci
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takođe bih s poštovanjem zamolio da se zatraže i direktno pregledaju istorijski zapisi kazina.
Molim vas, zamolite ih da dostave moju kompletnu istoriju igranja i tehničke zapise. Ako se ti zapisi pregledaju, verujem da bi mogli pokazati da li su se ovi prekidi dešavali više puta kako sam opisao. Dosledno sam objašnjavao isti problem i spreman sam da u potpunosti sarađujem jer iskreno verujem da ono što sam doživeo nije bilo normalno ponašanje tokom igranja.
Moja briga nije samo to što sam izgubio novac. Kockanje prirodno podrazumeva gubitke. Moja briga je da li su ponovljeni prekidi, prisilne ponovne prijave i rukovanje nalogom uticali na moje iskustvo igranja.
Ako, nakon pregleda evidencije, nema dokaza koji potkrepljuju moje zabrinutosti, prihvatiću taj zaključak. Međutim, verujem da bi trebalo da se izvrši odgovarajuća revizija pre nego što se moja žalba odbaci.
Podneo sam ovu žalbu jer sam verovao da ovaj proces postoji kako bi se pomoglo u istrazi situacija u kojima igrači smatraju da nešto nije bilo pravedno rešeno. Moja namera nije samo da razumem šta se dogodilo u mom slučaju, već i da osiguram da se, ako postoje širi problemi, oni identifikuju kako drugi igrači ne bi imali slične probleme u budućnosti.
Zato tražim potpunu i transparentnu reviziju, a ne pretpostavke sa bilo koje strane.
would also respectfully ask that the casino’s historical records be requested and reviewed directly.
Please ask them to provide my complete gameplay history and technical records. If those records are reviewed, I believe they may show whether these interruptions happened repeatedly as I described. I have consistently explained the same issue and I am willing to cooperate fully because I genuinely believe what I experienced was not normal gameplay behaviour.
My concern is not simply that I lost money. Gambling naturally includes losses. My concern is whether repeated interruptions, forced re-logins and account handling affected my gameplay experience.
If, after reviewing the records, there is no evidence supporting my concerns, I will accept that conclusion. However, I believe a proper review should happen before dismissing my complaint.
I raised this complaint because I believed this process existed to help investigate situations where players feel something was not handled fairly. My intention is not only to understand what happened in my own case but also to ensure that if there are wider issues, they are identified so that other players do not experience similar concerns in the future.
That is why I am asking for a full and transparent review rather than assumptions from either side.
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Javno
Attila
Complaint Specialist
Javno
pre 2 meseci
Prevod
Dragi igraču,
Hvala vam na odgovoru. Pažljivo sam pregledao prepisku između vas i našeg tima za korisničku podršku. Prema njihovim porukama, sredstva izgubljena tokom spornih sesija potiču od ličnog bonusa koji je obezbedio VIP menadžer. Možete li, molim vas, pojasniti vrstu bonusa koji ste koristili?
Pored toga, da li se iskačući prozor za prijavu pojavljivao više puta tokom dobitnih rundi? Ako jeste, ljubazno vas molimo da nam pošaljete sve snimke ekrana koje imate sa ovih događaja.
Dalje, imajte u vidu da se, kao deo našeg standardnog procesa rešavanja žalbi, fokusiramo na prikupljanje potrebnih dokaza od strane igrača u početnoj fazi. Ovo nam omogućava da temeljno razumemo celu situaciju pre nego što se obratimo kazinu.
Hvala vam na razumevanju.
Dear Player,
Thank you for your response. I have carefully reviewed the correspondence between you and our customer support team. According to their messages, the funds lost during the sessions in question originated from a personal bonus provided by the VIP manager. Could you please clarify the type of bonus you utilized?
Additionally, has the login popup appeared multiple times during winning rounds? If so, we kindly request that you forward any screenshots you may have of these occurrences.
Furthermore, please be advised that as part of our standard complaint resolution process, we focus on gathering the necessary evidence from player's side in the initial stage. This allows us to thoroughly understand the entire situation before we approach the casino.
Thank you for your understanding.
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GamerTurk2024
Bronza
Osetljivi attachment
pre 2 meseci
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Dragi Atila,
Već sam dostavio sve što mi je trenutno dostupno, uključujući snimke ekrana, imejlove, zapise ćaskanja i objašnjenja. Postajem frustriran jer nakon nekoliko dana diskusije osećam da se od mene traži da ponavljam iste tačke umesto da se istraga pomeri napred.
Nisam tada znao da ću kasnije morati da podnesem zvaničnu žalbu, tako da nisam kontinuirano snimao ekran dok sam igrao. Jedini snimak ekrana koji sam napravio o problemu sa prisilnim prijavljivanjem podeljen je sa VIP menadžerom u to vreme. Slični prekidi prisilnog odjavljivanja/prijavljivanja dešavali su se i dok sam igrao za pravi novac, ne samo tokom bonus sesija.
Takođe sam direktno od kazina zatražio svoju istoriju igranja i prateću dokumentaciju, ali nisam dobio evidenciju koju sam tražio.
Ne tražim od nikoga da mi jednostavno veruje. Tražim da se direktno pregledaju dostupni tehnički logovi kazina, zapisi o igranju i istorija naloga. Ti zapisi bi trebalo da pokažu da li je došlo do ponovljenih prekida i ponovnih prijavljivanja.
Ako, nakon pregleda te evidencije, nema dokaza koji potkrepljuju moje zabrinutosti, prihvatiću taj zaključak. Ali ne verujem da moju žalbu treba odbaciti pre nego što se raspoloživa evidencija pravilno pregleda.
Dear Attila,
I have already provided everything currently available to me, including screenshots, emails, chat records and explanations. I am becoming frustrated because after several days of discussion I feel that I am being asked to repeat the same points rather than move the investigation forward.
I did not know at the time that I would later need to make a formal complaint, so I did not continuously record my screen while playing. The only screenshot I took of the forced login issue was shared with the VIP manager at the time. Similar forced logout / login interruptions also happened while I was playing with real money, not only during bonus sessions.
I also requested my gameplay history and supporting documents directly from the casino, but I did not receive the records I asked for.
I am not asking anyone to simply believe me. I am asking for the casino’s available technical logs, gameplay records and account history to be reviewed directly. Those records should show whether repeated interruptions and re-logins occurred.
If, after reviewing those records, there is no evidence supporting my concerns, I will accept that conclusion. But I do not believe my complaint should be dismissed before the available records are properly reviewed.
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GamerTurk2024
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Javno
pre 2 meseci
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Takođe bih želeo da istaknem još jednu stvar koju sam već pomenuo, ali mislim da nije obrađena.
Tokom dužeg vremenskog perioda, mogao sam da nastavim da se kockam i gubim značajne iznose, a da mi nisu postavljana smislena pitanja o izvoru sredstava ili pristupačnosti. Koliko ja razumem, od operatera se očekuje da prate aktivnosti kupaca i primenjuju odgovarajuće provere gde je to potrebno.
Ne pravim pretpostavke o tome da li su neka pravila prekršena. Međutim, bio bih vam zahvalan da razumete zašto ovaj aspekt nije razmatran ili razmatran tokom procesa preispitivanja, uprkos tome što sam ga više puta pokretao.
Ova zabrinutost je odvojena od problema prekida prijavljivanja, ali verujem da je takođe relevantna za razumevanje opštih okolnosti i da li su primenjene odgovarajuće mere praćenja i odgovornog kockanja.
I would also like to raise another point which I have mentioned previously but do not feel has been addressed.
Over a long period of time, I was able to continue gambling and losing significant amounts without being asked meaningful questions about the source of funds or affordability. From my understanding, operators are expected to monitor customer activity and apply appropriate checks where necessary.
I am not making assumptions about whether any rules were breached. However, I would appreciate understanding why this aspect has not been considered or discussed during the review process, despite me raising it multiple times.
This concern is separate from the login interruptions issue, but I believe it is also relevant to understanding the overall circumstances and whether appropriate monitoring and responsible gambling measures were applied.
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GamerTurk2024
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Javno
pre 2 meseci
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Molimo vas da direktno pregledate tehničke logove kazina, evidenciju igranja i istoriju naloga i donesete odluku na osnovu tih evidencija.
Ne tražim da mi se automatski veruje. Jednostavno tražim pravednu i pravilnu recenziju.
Molim vas, uradite šta je potrebno.
Please review the casino’s technical logs, gameplay records and account history directly and make a decision based on those records.
I am not asking to be automatically believed. I am simply asking for a fair and proper review.
Please do what is necessary.
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Javno
Attila
Complaint Specialist
Javno
pre 1 meseca
Prevod
Dragi igraču,
Hvala vam na saradnji i što ste nam pružili snimke ekrana, prepisku i objašnjenja u vezi sa vašim nedoumicama.
Nakon pažljivog pregleda svih dostupnih informacija, sa žaljenjem vas obaveštavamo da nismo u mogućnosti da nastavimo sa ovom žalbom.
Što se tiče navodnih prisilnih odjavljivanja tokom pobedničke igre, nemamo dovoljno dokaza da potvrdimo da su prekidi uticali na određene runde igre ili rezultirali gubitkom dobitaka. Iako potvrđujemo da snimak ekrana prikazuje grešku pri prijavljivanju, nismo dobili proverljive dokaze kao što su kompletna istorija igre, ID-ovi rundi, tehnički dnevnici ili video snimci koji bi nam omogućili da dalje istražimo incidente. Prema našoj politici, ne obraćamo se kazinima sa optužbama za kvar igre ili manipulaciju bez dovoljnih dokaza koji to podržavaju.
Što se tiče uklanjanja Američkog ruleta, kazina su generalno slobodna da dodaju, uklanjaju ili ograničavaju igre po sopstvenom nahođenju. Stoga, nismo u mogućnosti da nastavimo sa ovim aspektom žalbe.
Što se tiče vaših nedoumica u vezi sa odgovornim kockanjem i proverom porekla sredstava, intervenišemo samo u slučajevima kada je igrač eksplicitno obavestio kazino o problemu sa kockanjem, a kazino potom nije postupio na odgovarajući način. Na osnovu dostavljenih informacija, čini se da to ovde nije slučaj.
Razumemo da ovo nije ishod koji ste očekivali i cenimo trud koji ste uložili da predstavite svoj slučaj. Međutim, s obzirom na nedostatak proverljivih dokaza koji potkrepljuju glavne navode, nemamo osnova da nastavimo istragu i moramo odbaciti ovu žalbu.
Zbog gore navedenih razloga, ova žalba će sada biti zatvorena. Hvala vam na razumevanju, žao mi je što nismo mogli više da vam pomognemo u ovoj prilici. Slobodno nas kontaktirajte ako naiđete na bilo kakve probleme sa ovim ili bilo kojim drugim kazinom u budućnosti.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Atila
Dear Player,
Thank you for your cooperation and for providing the screenshots, correspondence, and explanations regarding your concerns.
After carefully reviewing all available information, we regret to inform you that we are unable to proceed further with this complaint.
Regarding the alleged forced logouts during winning gameplay, we do not have sufficient evidence to verify that the interruptions affected specific game rounds or resulted in lost winnings. While we acknowledge the screenshot showing a login error, we have not received verifiable evidence such as a complete game history, round IDs, technical logs, or video recordings that would allow us to investigate the incidents further. As per our policy, we do not approach casinos with allegations of game malfunction or manipulation without sufficient supporting evidence.
As for the removal of American Roulette, casinos are generally free to add, remove, or restrict games at their discretion. Therefore, we are unable to pursue this aspect of the complaint.
Regarding your concerns about responsible gambling and source of funds checks, we only intervene in such cases when a player has explicitly informed the casino about a gambling problem and the casino subsequently failed to act appropriately. Based on the information provided, this does not appear to be the case here.
We understand that this is not the outcome you were hoping for, and we appreciate the effort you made to present your case. However, given the lack of verifiable evidence supporting the main allegations, we have no grounds to continue the investigation and must reject this complaint.
Due to the aforementioned reasons, this complaint will now be closed. Thank you for your understanding, I am sorry we could not be of more help on this occasion. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you run into any issues with this or any other casino in the future.
Best regards,
Attila
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