Igrač iz Japana ima poteškoća sa povlačenjem sredstava. Zatvorili smo žalbu jer je igrač prestao da odgovara.
Operater Vonder Casino je prekršio Uslove korišćenja usluge.
Sadržaj su bile „lažne prijave" informacija o povlačenju, a iako povlačenje nije procesuirano, razne laži su se ponavljale.
Zatražili smo odgovor na „lažnu prijavu", ali operater sada odbija da odgovori na naš zahtev.
Nije li kršenje Odredbi i Uslova da se operateri ne pridržavaju svojih Uslova?
Cenimo vašu podršku.
Wonder Casino operator violated the Terms of Service.
The contents were "false reports" of withdrawal information, and even though the withdrawal had not been processed, various lies were repeated.
We have requested a response to the "false report," but the operator is now refusing to respond to our request.
Isn't it a violation of the Terms and Conditions for operators to not abide by their own Terms and Conditions?
We appreciate your support.
Poštovani nevinspa2,
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Žao mi je što čujem za vaš problem sa povlačenjem.
Dozvolite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja kako bih bolje razumeo situaciju.
Možete li da nam kažete da li je vaš nalog u potpunosti verifikovan? Da li ste bili obavešteni zašto ne možete da podignete svoj dobitak? Da li je u pitanju interni problem sa sistemom kazina ili je povezan samo sa vašim nalogom?
Kada ste tražili povlačenje novca iz kazina? Da li je još uvek na čekanju na vašem nalogu?
Radujemo se Vašem odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Dear newinspa2,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your withdrawal problem.
Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can better understand the situation.
Could you please advise if your account has been fully verified? Have you been advised why you can’t withdraw your winnings? Is it an internal casino system issue, or it’s related to your account only?
When did you request a withdrawal from the casino? Is it still pending in your account?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Tomas
Poštovani gospodine Thomas.
Hvala što ste nas kontaktirali.
Ovo nije povlačenje nagrade.
Operater je u brojnim prilikama nastavio da se bavi lažnim aktivnostima kako je navedeno u Uslovima i odredbama.
Odredbe i uslovi zabranjuju falsifikovanje dokumenata i varanje i navodi „oduzimanje sredstava" ako se otkrije.
Pošto je operater više puta prekršio uslove usluge, tražimo oduzimanje sredstava (prebijanje i likvidaciju primljenog i isplaćenog iznosa).
Kontaktirali smo operatera jer povlačenje koje smo tražili 18. 3. nije stiglo 2 dana.
Nakon tog upita, operater je preduzeo sledeće radnje
(1) Lagao me je da je potvrdio završetak procesa povlačenja na moj račun, iako ništa nije potvrdio.
(2) Nakon što je saznao da je banka refundirala sredstva na dan podnošenja zahteva, on je dalje lagao kako bi prikrio laž u (1) gore, navodeći da je „banka danas kontaktirala davaoca poravnanja, a sredstva su vratio danas.
(3) Nakon što je otkrivena laž iz (2) gore, da bi se laž prikrila, on je, s jedne strane, odgovorio da je od izvršioca poravnanja čuo da su sredstva vraćena 18., a sa druge strane. ruku, dao je kontradiktoran odgovor, rekavši da nije potvrdio datum.
*Navedeni dokazi se mogu izvesti.
Kao što je gore navedeno, oni su nastavili da lažu više puta i tražimo akciju kao što je navedeno u Uslovima korišćenja usluge.
Dear Mr. Thomas.
Thank you for contacting us.
This is not a prize withdrawal.
The operator has continued to engage in fraudulent activity as stated in the Terms and Conditions on numerous occasions.
The Terms and Conditions prohibit falsifying documents and cheating, and states "forfeiture of funds" if discovered.
Since the operator has repeatedly violated the terms of service, we are seeking forfeiture of the funds (offsetting and liquidating the amount received and disbursed).
We contacted the operator because the withdrawal we requested on 3/18 did not arrive for 2 days.
After that inquiry, the operator took the following actions
(1) Lied to me that he had confirmed the completion of the withdrawal process to my account, even though he had not confirmed anything.
(2) After learning that the funds had been refunded by the bank on the day of application, he further lied in order to conceal the lie in (1) above, reporting that "the bank contacted the settlement provider today, and the funds were returned today.
(3) After the lie in (2) above was discovered, in order to conceal the lie, on the one hand, he answered that he had heard from the settlement provider that the funds had been returned on the 18th, and on the other hand, he gave a contradictory answer, saying that he had not confirmed the date.
*The above evidence can be presented.
As stated above, they have continued to lie repeatedly and we are seeking action as stated in the Terms of Service.
Postscript.
Radnje koje preduzima operater su "prevara".
▪18 dan
Pokušana eksploatacija jer su sredstva vraćena.
▪20 dana
Odgovarajući na upite, lagao je rekavši da je potvrdio završetak procesa isplate na bankovni račun.
▪21 dan
Nakon višestrukih mojih upita, odustali su od eksploatacije i lažno predstavili prevaru pretvarajući se da je novac vraćen danas.
Dana 21. 3. podneo sam žalbu menadžeru za usklađenost operatera (direktoru upravljanja), EM Group.
Nakon mesec dana čekanja, dobili smo sledeći odgovor od EM grupe
▪Dalja procena ispravnosti dokumenata se sada interno procenjuje i razgovara, ali to je između operatera i nas kao generalnog direktora. Stoga će sve mere koje treba preduzeti biti i između njih i nas.
Uprkos činjenici da sam dobio lažnu prijavu, matična kompanija takođe pokušava da otkloni „prevarne radnje" koje je počinila podružnica davanjem gore navedenog jednostranog odgovora.
Nema šanse da se ikada ubedim.
Cenio bih vašu podršku.
Postscript.
The actions taken by the operator are "scam".
▪️18 day
Exploitation attempted because funds were returned.
▪️20 days
In response to inquiries, he lied, saying that he had confirmed the completion of the withdrawal process to the bank account.
▪️21 days
After repeated inquiries from me, they gave up on the exploitation and misrepresented the fraud by pretending that the money was refunded today.
On 3/21, I filed a complaint with the operator's compliance manager (Management Director), EM Group.
After waiting a month, we received the following response from the EM Group
▪️further assessment of the correctness of the documents is now internally assessed and discussed, but that is between the operator and us as a managing director. Hence any measures to be taken will between them and us as well.
Despite the fact that I received a false report, the parent company is also trying to rub out the "fraudulent acts" committed by the subsidiary by giving the above one-sided answer.
There is no way I can ever be convinced.
I would appreciate your support.
Možete li molim vas da prosledite dokaze, transkripte ćaskanja ili mejlove između vas i kazina na moju e-poštu na KSKSKSKSKS0@email.kkkkk ?
Čekaću tvoju poruku.
Could you please forward the evidence, chat transcripts, or emails between you and the casino to my email at tomas@casino.guru?
I'll await your message.
Dragi Tomas biskvit
Hvala što ste nas kontaktirali.
Poslao sam vam dokaze mejlom.
▪ suština vaše žalbe
▪Tekst imejla operatera (prevod i original)
▪Originalni tekst e-pošte (original prosleđen)
Odvojite trenutak da pregledate ove informacije.
Srdačan pozdrav
Dear Tomas Biscuit
Thank you for contacting us.
I have sent you the evidence by email.
▪️ the gist of your complaint
▪️Text of operator's email (translation and original)
▪️Original text of email (original forwarded)
Please take a moment to review this information.
Best regards
Hvala na emejlu.
Da li sam dobro razumeo da je vaše povlačenje 12350 jena (bez naknada) vraćeno na vaš kazino račun?
Da li na vašem kazino računu postoji saldo koji se može povući? Da li možete da zatražite novo povlačenje?
Da li je bilo izgubljenih sredstava kao rezultat neuspele transakcije?
Radujemo se Vašem odgovoru.
Thanks for your email.
Do I understand correctly your withdrawal of 12350 yen (excluding fees) was returned to your casino account?
Is there any withdrawable balance on your casino account? Are you able to request a new withdrawal?
Were there any funds lost as a result of the failed transaction?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Dragi Tomas biskvit
Hvala što ste nas kontaktirali.
Lažno prijavljivanje informacija o plaćanju predstavlja kršenje naših Uslova korišćenja usluge. Nije u pitanju samo vraćanje novca.
Obaveštavam vas o svojoj žalbi jer operater i dalje laže i beži bez odgovora.
Bili bismo vam zahvalni ako biste još jednom potvrdili detalje svoje žalbe.
Hvala na razumevanju.
Dear Tomas Biscuit
Thank you for contacting us.
False reporting of payment information is a violation of our Terms of Service. It is not a matter of just getting your money back.
I am informing you of my complaint because the operator is still lying and running away unanswered.
We would appreciate it if you could confirm the details of your complaint once again.
Thank you for your understanding.
Dragi Tomas biskvit
Hvala vam na podršci.
Juče sam pokušao da se prijavim u Vonder Casino i otkrio sam da je moj nalog „zamrznut".
Kontaktirao sam EM Group i oni su mi odgovorili da su tražili od kompanije za igre da mi zamrzne nalog.
Nisam uputio nikakav „zahtev EM Grupi da zamrzne moj nalog", ali je EM Grupa sama podnela zahtev.
Zaista se nepravedno tretiram.
Cenio bih vašu podršku.
Dear Tomas Biscuit
Thank you for your support.
Yesterday I tried to log in to Wonder Casino and found that my account was "frozen".
I contacted EM Group and they replied that they had asked the gaming company to freeze my account.
I did not make any "request to EM Group to freeze my account," but EM Group made the request on its own.
I am really being treated unfairly.
I would appreciate your support.
Hvala na ažuriranju, ali imajte na umu da niste odgovorili na moja pitanja.
Pre nego što je kazino zamrznuo vaš nalog, da li je na vašem kazino nalogu bilo bilo kakvog stanja u kazinu?
Da li je bilo izgubljenog novca kao rezultat neuspelog povlačenja?
Da li kazino zadržava novac na vašem zamrznutom računu ili je kazino zaplenio novac?
ako jeste koliko?
Hvala unapred na odgovoru.
Thanks for the update, but please note you didn't reply to my questions.
Before the casino froze your account, was there any casino balance on your casino account?
Was there any money lost as a result of the failed withdrawal?
Is the casino withholding any money on your frozen account or was any money confiscated by the casino?
If so how much?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Kada je račun zamrznut, trebalo je da ostane nekoliko dolara kao deo.
Kazino je rekao da je iznos koji sam tražio za povlačenje vraćen 21., ali ja sam igrao u to vreme i nisam siguran da li je zaista vraćen ili ne.
When the account was frozen, there should have been a few dollars left as a fraction.
The casino said that the amount I requested for withdrawal was refunded on the 21st, but I was playing at the time and am not sure if it was really refunded or not.
Hvala na objašnjenju.
Verujemo da je igrač na kraju odgovoran za svoj račun, svoj bilans i sve opklade koje se dešavaju.
To znači da ako je iznos koji ste tražili za povlačenje vraćen na vaš račun igrača i kada ste ga igrali i izgubljen, mislimo da ne ispunjavate uslove za povraćaj ovih sredstava.
Takođe, prihvatamo situaciju u kojoj kazino zatvara račun igrača sve dok ne zadrži bilo kakav iznos na svom računu.
Preporučio bih vam da kontaktirate kazino i pitate ih da li je ostalo novca na vašem kazino računu.
Ako niste sigurni u vezi sa sredstvima i da li su vraćena na vaš kazino račun ili ne, preporučio bih da zatražite istoriju transakcija vašeg kazino naloga od kazino podrške.
Obavestite me o rezultatu.
Thank you for the explanation.
We believe that the player is ultimately responsible for their account, their balance, and all bets taking place.
That means if the amount you requested for withdrawal was returned to your player account and was played by you and lost, we don't think you are eligible for a refund of these funds.
Also, we accept the situation where the casino closes the player's account as long as they don't withhold any balance on their account.
I would recommend you contact the casino and ask them if there is any money left in your casino account.
If you are unsure about the funds and if they were returned to your casino account or not, I would recommend requesting a transaction history of your casino account from casino support.
Please let me know about the result.
Dear newinspa2,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
Nažalost, igrač nije odgovorio na naše poruke i pitanja. Sһodno tome, nismo u mogućnosti da dalje istražujemo i nemamo drugog izbora nego da odbijemo ovu žalbu.
Igrač može ponovo da otvori ovu žalbu u bilo kom trenutku.
Unfortunately, the player has not responded to our messages and questions. Consequently, we are unable to investigate further and have no choice but to reject this complaint.
The player can reopen this complaint at any time.
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Proverite svoj inboks i kliknite na link koji smo Vam poslali: youremail@gmail.com
Link će isteći za 72 časa.
Proverite svoj "Spam" ili "Promotions" folder ili kliknite na dugme ispod.
Konformacioni e-mail je poslat ponovo.