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Zip Casino - Dobici igrača su konfiskovani zbog navodnih 'zabranjenih strategija'.
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The player from Germany had used a bonus at Zip Casino and after meeting the wagering requirements had attempted a withdrawal of €1,918, which was cancelled. The casino had accused the player of using 'prohibited strategies' but the player assured they had abided by all betting regulations. We intervened and after discussions with the casino, the casino decided to return the player's full winnings. The player confirmed the receipt of her winnings and thanked the team for their assistance. The issue was successfully resolved.
Igrač iz Nemačke je iskoristio bonus u Zip kazinu i nakon što je ispunio uslove za klađenje pokušao je da podigne €1,918, što je otkazano. Kazino je optužio igrača da koristi 'zabranjene strategije', ali je igrač uverio da je poštovao sve propise o klađenju. Mi smo intervenisali i nakon razgovora sa kazinom, kazino je odlučio da vrati igraču pun dobitak. Igračica je potvrdila da je primila svoju dobit i zahvalila se timu na pomoći. Problem je uspešno rešen.
Evo mog problema. Iskoristio sam 100% bonus u Zip kazinu i pobedio. Nakon ispunjavanja uslova za klađenje, moj bilans je iznosio 1918 €, pa sam zatražio povlačenje koje je nažalost poništeno.
Raspitao sam se u Livechatu i obavešten sam da sam počinio zloupotrebu bonusa igrajući se sa „zabranjenim strategijama".
Priroda moje strategije bila je detaljno opisana u e-poruci koju sam dobio: Konkretno, optužen sam za prelazak sa dobitaka u igri sa visokom volatilnošću na dobitke sa niskom volatilnošću.
(Prilažem snimak ekrana e-pošte)
Uveravam vas da nisam igrao nijednu "zabranu" igru sa bonus sredstvima (proverio sam listu) i pridržavao sam se propisa o klađenju (maks. 5 €). Štaviše, moj nalog je verifikovan.
Smatram da je razočaravajuće i nepravedno što je kazino otkazao moje povlačenje i nadam se da ćete mi pomoći. Hvala unapred.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Ivka
Dear Sir or Madam,
Here's my issue. I utilized a 100% bonus at Zip Casino and won. After fulfilling the wagering requirements my balance stood at 1918 €, so I requested a withdrawal which was unfortunately cancelled.
I inquired in Livechat and was informed I had committed bonus abuse by playing with "prohibited strategies".
The nature of my strategy was detailed in an email I received: Specifically, I was accused of transitioning from high volatility game winnings to a low volatility one.
(I am attaching a screenshot of the email)
I can assure you I did not play any "prohibited" game with bonus funds(I checked the list) and I adhered to the betting regulations (max. 5 €). Furthermore, my account is verified.
I find it disappointing and unfair that the casino cancelled my withdrawal and hope that you can assist me. Thank you in advance.
Kind regards,
Ivka
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Hier mein Problem. Ich habe bei Zip Casino einen 100% Bonus genutzt und gewonnen. Danach habe ich die Umsatzbedingungen erfüllt, das Guthaben war bei 1918 € und ich beantragte eine Auszahlung. Diese wurde aber leider storniert.
Ich fragte darauf im Livechat nach, und dieser sagte mir, dass ich Bonusmissbrauch begangen hätte und mit "verbotenen Strategien" gespielt habe.
Ich bekam auch daraufhin eine Email in der stand worin meine Strategie lag: Und zwar das wechseln von einem Gewinn bei einem Spiel mit hoher Volatilität zu einem mit niedriger Volatilität.
(Screenshot der Email hänge ich an )
Ich habe aber kein "verbotenes" Spiel mit Bonusgeld gespielt(Habe die Liste überprüft) und habe mich auch an die Wetteinsätze (max. 5 €) gehalten, außerdem ist mein Konto ist verifiziert.
Ich finde es schade und unfair, dass das Casino meine Auszahlung storniert hat und hoffe sie könne mir helfen. Ich danke Ihnen im voraus.
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Žao mi je što čujem za vaš problem. Dozvolite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja, kako bih u potpunosti razumeo celu situaciju.
Možete li potvrditi da li ste ranije tražili bonuse od ovog kazina?
Da li ste bili obavešteni da je pomenuta „strategija" zabranjena tokom klađenja bonusa?
Nakon što je kazino poništio vaš dobitak, da li je vaš početni depozit vraćen?
Nadam se da ćemo moći da vam pomognemo da rešite ovaj problem što je pre moguće. Hvala unapred na odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Petronela
Dear Ivka52,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely.
Can you confirm whether you have previously claimed any bonuses from this casino?
Were you notified, while completing bonus wagering, that the mentioned "strategy" is prohibited?
Following the voiding of your winnings by the casino, was your initial deposit refunded?
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Hvala puno, Ivka52, što si dala sve potrebne informacije. Sada ću preneti vašu žalbu kolegi Petru ( peter.m@casino.guru ) koji će vam biti u pomoći. Želim vam puno sreće i nadam se da će vaš problem biti rešen na vaše zadovoljstvo u bliskoj budućnosti.
Thank you very much, Ivka52, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Peter (peter.m@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Pregledao sam vaš slučaj i razumem situaciju. Dozvolite mi da se obratim kazinu i uložim sve napore da vam pomognem. Želeo bih da pozovem Zip Casino da se pridruži razgovoru i doprinese rešavanju ove žalbe.
Hi Ivka52,
I have reviewed your case and understand the situation. Allow me to reach out to the casino and make every effort to assist you. I would like to invite Zip Casino to join the conversation and contribute to the resolution of this complaint.
Hvala vam što ste nas kontaktirali u vezi sa odbitakom dobitaka igrača. Nakon pregleda njene igre, postalo je očigledno da je korišćen određeni obrazac klađenja, koji je u suprotnosti sa našim uslovima i odredbama u vezi sa korišćenjem bonusa.
Nakon detaljnog istraživanja njene istorije igranja, primećeno je da je koristio strategiju koja je uključivala naizmenične igre visoke i niske volatilnosti, posebno Coins, 1429 Uncharted Seas i Double Tigers, sa različitim iznosima uloga dok je igrao sa aktivnim bonusom. Strategija je uključivala početak sa opkladama od 5 € na igru visoke volatilnosti, kao što je Coins, a zatim prelazak na opklade od 1 € na igre niske volatilnosti kao što su „1429 Uncharted Seas" i „Double Tigers".
Prema našim uslovima, ova specifična strategija klađenja se smatra kršenjem naše politike bonusa, što dovodi do odbitka njenog dobitka. Održavanje fer igre i pridržavanje naših smernica je od najveće važnosti da bi se obezbedilo prijatno i pravično iskustvo za sve naše igrače, a to je i razlog zašto je iznos depozita vraćen igraču
Ukoliko su vam potrebna dodatna pojašnjenja ili želite da o ovom pitanju detaljnije razgovarate, slobodno nam se obratite. Nastojimo da održimo transparentnost i pravičnost u našem poslovanju.
Zip kazino
Dear Casino Guru,
Thank you for contacting us regarding the deduction of the player's winnings. After reviewing her gameplay, it became apparent that a particular betting pattern was used, conflicting with our terms and conditions concerning bonus usage.
Upon thorough investigation of her gaming history, it was noted that he employed a strategy involving alternating between high and low volatility games, specifically Coins, 1429 Uncharted Seas and Double Tigers, with varying bet amounts while playing with an active bonus. The strategy included commencing with 5€ bets on a high volatility game, such as Coins, followed by transitioning to 1€ bets on a low volatility games like "1429 Uncharted Seas" and "Double Tigers".
As per our terms, this specific betting strategy is considered a breach of our bonus policy, resulting in the deduction of her winnings. Upholding fair gameplay and adhering to our guidelines is paramount to ensure an enjoyable and equitable experience for all our players, this is also why the deposit amount was returned to the player
Should you require further clarification or wish to discuss this matter in more detail, please feel free to get in touch. We strive to maintain transparency and fairness in our operations.
Bojim se da ne možemo prihvatiti vašu odluku da konfiskujete sredstva igrača na osnovu gore opisane strategije osim ako igrač nije napravio preklapanje. Ako želite da primenite takvo pravilo, to bi trebalo da se uradi na softverskom nivou. Većina povremenih igrača nema pojma šta je igra niske/visoke volatilnosti, a čak i ako koriste takvu strategiju, nema garancije da će na kraju pobediti. Više o našoj poziciji možete pročitati ovde: https://casino.guru/our-position-on-banning-betting-patterns. To je razlog zašto smo uvereni da igrač treba da dobije punu platu.
Dear Zip Casino team,
I'm afraid we can't accept your decision to confiscate the player's funds based on the strategy described above unless the player made overbets. If you want to enforce such a rule, it should be done on a software level. Most casual players have no idea what a low/high volatility game is and even if they use such a strategy, there is no guarantee that they will end up winning. You can read more about our position here: https://casino.guru/our-position-on-banning-betting-patterns This is the reason why we are convinced that the player should get paid in full.
Nadam se da će vas ova poruka dobro naći. Cenimo temeljnost i objektivnost sa kojom se bavite takvim stvarima.
Igrač se uključio u obrazac klađenja za koji mi, kao odgovoran operater kazina, smatramo da predstavlja zloupotrebu naših uslova i odredbi u vezi sa kazino bonusima.
Naši uslovi i odredbe jasno navode da se takvi strateški manevri, osmišljeni da nepravedno iskorišćavaju sistem, smatraju zloupotrebom. Iako održavamo integritet naših pravila, takođe prepoznajemo važnost negovanja pozitivnih odnosa sa našim cenjenim igračima. U svetlu ovoga, odlučili smo da zauzmemo prijateljski pristup rešavanju ovog pitanja.
Da bismo rešili problem, odlučili smo da ponovo aktiviramo bonus igrača sa modifikovanim skupom zahteva za opkladu. Bonus će biti vraćen sa smanjenim zahtevom za klađenje, posebno postavljenim na polovinu prvobitnog iznosa. Ovaj kompromis je svedočanstvo naše posvećenosti pravičnosti i zadovoljstvu kupaca uz istovremeno očuvanje integriteta naših uslova.
Verujemo da ova rezolucija uspostavlja ravnotežu između rešavanja zabrinutosti igrača i održavanja jednakih uslova za sve učesnike. Ostajemo otvoreni za dalji dijalog i cenimo vaše razumevanje jer nastojimo da obezbedimo fer i prijatno iskustvo igranja za sve.
Zip kazino
Dear Casino Guru Support Team,
I hope this message finds you well. We appreciate the thoroughness and objectivity with which you handle such matters.
The player engaged in a betting pattern that we, as a responsible casino operator, consider to be an abuse of our terms and conditions related to casino bonuses.
Our terms and conditions clearly state that such strategic maneuvers, designed to exploit the system unfairly, are deemed as abuse. While we maintain the integrity of our rules, we also recognize the importance of fostering positive relationships with our valued players. In light of this, we have decided to take a more amicable approach to address the issue.
To resolve the matter, we have chosen to reinstate the player's bonus with a modified set of wagering requirements. The bonus will be reinstated with a reduced wagering requirement, specifically set at half of the original amount. This compromise is a testament to our commitment to fairness and customer satisfaction while still upholding the integrity of our terms and conditions.
We believe that this resolution strikes a balance between addressing the player's concerns and maintaining a level playing field for all participants. We remain open to further dialogue and appreciate your understanding as we strive to provide a fair and enjoyable gaming experience for all.
Hvala vam na odgovoru. Razumem vašu poentu, međutim, bojim se da ne možemo prihvatiti vaš kompromis. Igrač je osvojio €1918 što bi sada trebalo da bude njihov pravi novac. Ponuda im daje 150 € bonus novca koji još treba da se uloži što je ogromna razlika. Strategija koju koristi igrač ne smatra se nepravednom. Svaki obični igrač bi mogao da uradi istu stvar. Iako igranje igrača nosi oznake lova na bonuse, ako su igrali u svoje ime, izvršili depozit sopstvenim sredstvima i nisu prekršili nijedno relevantno pravilo kao što je maksimalna opklada, oni zaslužuju da budu u potpunosti plaćeni.
Dear Zip Casino team,
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point, however, I'm afraid, we can't accept your compromise. The player won €1918 which should be their real money now. The offer is giving them €150 in bonus money that still needs to be wagered which is a huge difference. The strategy used by the player is not considered unfair. Any casual player could do the same thing. Even though the player's gameplay bears marks of bonus hunting, if they played in their own name, made the deposit with their own funds, and did not violate any relevant rules such as maximum bet, they deserve to be fully paid.
Nakon detaljnog pregleda predmeta i razmatranja povratnih informacija obe strane, pažljivo smo preispitali našu odluku. U interesu pravičnosti i zadovoljstva kupaca, odlučili smo da vratimo dobitke u celosti.
Razumemo važnost pružanja pozitivnog iskustva igranja za naše cenjene igrače. Naš cilj je da održimo visok standard korisničke usluge.
Budite uvereni da smo preduzeli korake za rešavanje osnovnih problema kako bismo sprečili slične pojave u budućnosti. Vaše povratne informacije su nam od neprocenjive vrednosti i cenimo priliku da poboljšamo naše procese na osnovu vaših uvida.
Iskreno se nadamo da ova rezolucija pokazuje našu posvećenost poštenoj i transparentnoj poslovnoj praksi.
Zip kazino
Dear Casino Guru,
After a thorough review of the matter and considering the feedback provided by both parties, we have carefully reevaluated our decision. In the interest of fairness and customer satisfaction, we have decided to return the winnings in full.
We understand the importance of providing a positive gaming experience for our valued players. Our goal is to maintain a high standard of customer service.
Please be assured that we have taken steps to address the underlying issues to prevent similar occurrences in the future. Your feedback is invaluable to us, and we appreciate the opportunity to improve our processes based on your insights.
We sincerely hope that this resolution demonstrates our commitment to fair and transparent business practices.
Kazino je već u procesu isplate punog iznosa. Hvala Piteru na pomoći i takođe hvala Zip kazinu, mislim da je to veoma pošteno.
Pozdrav Ivka
Hello,
The casino is already in the process of paying out the full amount. Thanks Peter for your help and also thanks to Zip Casino, I think that's very fair.
Greetings Ivka
Hallo,
Das casino ist bereits dabei den vollen Betrag auszuzahlen. Danke Peter für Ihre Hilfe und auch danke an das Zip Casino, das finde ich sehr fair.
Nakon uspešnog rešavanja problema, žalbu ćemo označiti kao „rešenu" u našem sistemu. Cenimo vašu saradnju i potvrdu, Ivka52, i ako naiđete na bilo kakve probleme sa ovim ili bilo kojim drugim kazinom u budućnosti, ne ustručavajte se da kontaktirate naš Centar za rešavanje žalbi. Naš cilj je da vam pomognemo.
Kao što znate, mi ne naplaćujemo naše usluge, niti primamo napojnice. Međutim, bili bismo vam zahvalni ako biste odvojili trenutak i podelili svoje iskustvo sa našim uslugama na Trustpilot https://vvv.trustpilot.com/evaluate/casino.guru. Iskreno razmatranje i sve sugestije koje ćete možda imati za poboljšanje našeg procesa rešavanja žalbi i posredovanja bili bi veoma cenjeni. Vaše povratne informacije mogu biti od pomoći drugima koji razmišljaju da nas kontaktiraju u vezi bilo kakvih problema vezanih za onlajn kazino. Hvala unapred na izdvojenom vremenu.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Peter
After successfully resolving the problem, we will mark the complaint as 'resolved' in our system. We appreciate your cooperation and confirmation, Ivka52, and if you encounter any issues with this or any other casino in the future, please do not hesitate to contact our Complaint Resolution Center. Our goal is to assist you.
As you know, we do not charge for our services, nor do we accept any gratuities. However, we would appreciate if you could take a moment to share your experience with our services on Trustpilot https://www.trustpilot.com/evaluate/casino.guru. An honest review and any suggestions you may have to improve our complaint resolution and mediation process would be greatly appreciated. Your feedback could prove helpful to others who are considering contacting us about any online casino-related issues. Thank you in advance for your time.
Best regards,
Peter
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