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Apsurdna situacija Želeo bih savet da otvorim žalbu

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Zdravo svima, družim se među raznim onlajn kazino sajtovima više od 6 godina, a sve uglavnom samo za slotove.

Mislim da imam bar malo iskustva.

Primetio sam da je na mom igračkom nalogu na 888 jedini put kada su me naterali da pobedim samo otključavanje bonusa, a nikada sa deponovanim saldom. Reći ću vam da sam prošle godine uploadovao 400 evra nekoliko puta (na primer 60 pa 50 pa 70 itd...) u rasponu od nedelju dana. Igranje svega na slot opkladi 60/80/1 nikada nije imalo bonus/freespin u svim ovim sesijama i ponekad, mislim ponekad možda 2 ili 3 puta isplatu k20/30 ulog. Ukratko, to je uvek bio obrt naniže.

Žalio sam se i ograničili su mi nalog.

Kontaktirao sam pomoć i ponovo su mi otvorili račun za igre početkom 2023

Za nedelju dana sam sve više puta dopunjavao 400 evra, kao što sam pomenuo gore, i kladio sam se samo na 60/80/1 evro opklade.

Reći ćete... Pa sada će kazino vratiti neki RTP. Odgovor je ne... Osim uobičajenih 2/3 uplaćenih po k20/30, opklada je i dobila 2 bonusa/freespin sa jednim plaćenim 100k, a drugim k120. Svaki slot se pretvarao da daje bonuse/freespinove, a ja sam dobio samo 2, jedan je platio 0, drugi 11 evra (k11) To je bio samo negativan obrt... Ukratko, razumeli ste... 800 evra za godinu dana igre plaćen povrat ni 250 evra. Dodajem da su za svaki depozit davali bonus od 20% dopune... pa zamislite preokret koji sam napravio, a ne računajući samo 800 uplaćenih.

Zar to ne zvuči kao krajnje anomalna situacija?!?

Jer za sve ove godine i u drugim kockarnicama to se nikada nije dogodilo. Znamo da gubite na kocki... Ali ja ne mislim tako


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Mark88
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I'm wondering, do you always play the same game (games)? How many different slots have you played during those sessions? I think it could have something to do with the slots volatility. You may played games with high volatility which means that you don't really win much on those slots and you basically wait for a bigger win that will recover you from the losses.

Anyway, I think it would make sense to look at your gaming history. Many casinos are able to provide an Excel file, where you can simply count the bets and winnings. When I worked in a casino, I could also see the difference in the customer's profile. It was very easy to count the RTP for any customer. This way, you could at least find out if it's just your feeling that you don't win that much or it's actually real and your RTP is extremely low compared to what it should be.

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Daniel hvala na odgovoru. Igrao sam oko 15 različitih slotova tokom svih sesija. Srednje visoka volatilnost... 3/4 srednje niska. Da, pogledao sam svu istoriju.

Povraćaj ukupnog iznosa je oko 25/30% od kazina. računajući ukupan dobitak na ukupnom okretu od jedne godine.


Mislim da ni nesrećni trenutak nije normalan.


Može li biti osnova za žalbu?!?

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Mark88
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Hello,

just to make sure, are those calculations based on your gaming history from the casino, please?

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Da... Poslao sam e-mail da se s pravom pitam o ovom anomalnom ponašanju. Odgovorili su da besplatni okreti nemaju veze sa visokim dobicima i da je maksimalni iznos utvrđen (kakve to veze ima?!?!!?!!)

I uobičajeno kopiranje i lepljenje poruke da njihov RGN nasumično generiše kombinacije slotova. Koji nemaju razloga da ovo modifikuju na štetu igrača iu skladu sa zakonom itd itd itd

Ali moje sesije igre govore potpuno suprotno





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Mark88
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I guess that the casino wanted to point out that winnings from the free spins are probably limited by the max withdrawal rule, so you may win big, but the winnings will be cut down t the limit.

Anyway, have you checked how the RGN works? Feel free to do so here:

"Myth 2: "Slots are programmed not to pay after a big win and to pay more when they’re full of money."

This is a myth which probably comes from the days of standalone slots which paid out to the winning player directly. But it was as much of a myth then as it is now. If you won more money than the slot machine could pay out, you got the remainder from casino staff.

Modern slot machines are connected to a central server and all wins are paid out by casino staff, so there is no need to keep the amount of cash in a slot machine in mind. Random numbers work just fine and this myth is invalid."

What do you think about that?

Radka
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Već sam znao ovu činjenicu i više. Bio sam na sajtovima onlajn kazina 6 godina .... Problem je drugi.

Ne znam da li shvatate!?!?

U svakom slučaju, podneo sam žalbu...

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Mark88
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Well, my congratulations, I guess. 🙂

Care to explain what's the problem further then? As I can see, you already got the almost same reply from Tomas - right here.

I totally understand that players incline to the easiest explanation - the RTP is set up, manipulated, and games are rigged... I read that almost every day. I have never experienced players proving the algorithm or games rigged, my point is that this is almost impossible. - that's all.

I wish you good luck with the complaint. 🤞

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Daću vam primer, naplaćujete 50

Kladite se 0,60/1, slotovi vam vraćaju 20/25 evra.

Očigledno nikad ne ideš iznad... ali postoji "restitucija". Takođe ponavljate svoje dobitke. Ukupno su 75 evra ponovljeni. Gubite... ponovo učitavate 50... Još uvek dobijate 20/25. Gubite...jer niste dobili bonus/freespin ili pristojnu platu samo malo basa. Gubite... već je igrano 150 evra. Ponovo učitava ista stvar .. ukupno odigrano 225. I tako dalje (imajte na umu da takođe morate da dodate 20% kazino bonusa na svaki depozit). Zamislite koliki je preokret.

Zamislite da sedmo ponovno punjenje donosi bonus besplatno okretanje sa k100/120 isplatama.

Depozit 350

Povratak niskim udarcima osvojio je 150

Plaćeni bonus za freespin 75

Ukupan obrt 575

Ukupna pobeda 255


Stavio sam 50% rtp u primer.

Praktično svaki preokret od 500 evra. Ja mogu. idi. pozitivnim. za 75 evra i povući.

Uradite to za 800 deponovanih... I niži RTP.

Čak i da je 50% ne bi bilo tačno. Nadam se da sam bio jasan








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Mark88
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Hello,

I guess that you should get into consideration, that buying free spins or any other additional features affects the overall RTP and volatility of each game. You have to reverse-engineer each variant to get the precise RTP and volatility.

Since this forum exists, players come and claim that the RTP in the casinos are rigged/fakes/overridden/manipulated ad so on.

Actually, the casinos do not need to do that, the math is on their side.

" EXAMPLE

If a game RTP is 96%, it means that if you start with $1,000,000,000 and then play 1,000,000,000 rounds at $1 each, then you should end up with approximately $960,000,000 dollars."

"If you play just a few hundreds rounds, your current return may vary from 30% up to 1000%. But the more rounds you play, the more likely you’ll be closer to the statistical RTP of the slot game. That’s why I used such big numbers in the example above."

I'll wait for Tomas to advance with the complaint further.

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