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Anton1925

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pre 3 meseci

OriginalPrevod

Nisam početnik. Igrao sam na nekoliko platformi, tako da tačno prepoznajem obrasce.

Millioner / Crownplay / Robocat / Wildrobin i njihova povezana mreža koriste pozadinske procese koje igrači nikada ne vide - i upravo zato su opasni.

Trenutni status „C kategorije" nakon registracije nije mit: On:

rezultira smanjenom stopom povrata,

niža volatilnost,

minimalni obrasci dobitka,

i praktično nulte šanse za džekpot ili veliki multiplikator.

Problem nije samo u tome što postoji.

Problem je što igrač NIKADA nije obavešten o tome.

„Ljubaznost" besplatnih okretaja je samo mamac

20 besplatnih okretaja - sa dobitkom od 1 evra?

Ovo je potpuno u skladu sa unapred podešenim, ograničenim nalogom.

Najtipičniji znaci:

svako okretanje donosi malu nagradu od jednog centa,

nikada ne aktivira bonus,

izlazi isti fiksni minimalni iznos,

Rezultat 20. okretaja se prikazuje u iskačućem prozoru pre okretanja (što bi tehnički bilo nemoguće sa fer generatorom slučajnih brojeva).

Ovo nije „loša sreća".

Ovo je znak ograničene kategorije.

🔥 3. Da li postoji telefonski bonus? Pravi, licencirani kazino NIKADA ne radi ovo

Imao sam sreće da pronađem kazino koji je nudio bonus od 200% preko telefona.

Pošten dobavljač sa MGA ili EU licencom:

ne zove igrače,

ne nudi agresivne bonuse,

ne pokušava da povuče ograničene profile.

Ova metoda je karakteristika alternativnog lanca Kurasao.

🔥 4. Neprozirno deljenje podataka u pozadini

Najviše zabrinjavajuća stvar:

Ako ste igrali na drugoj platformi pod istim provajderom, ovi kazina automatski znaju za to – i odmah vas ograničavaju.

Igrač nije obavešten o ovome.

Ovo podiže:

Problemi sa upravljanjem GDPR podacima,

pitanja transparentnosti,

i pitanja kompatibilnosti licenci.

🔥 5. Bonus ponude su zapravo deo zamki za klađenje

200%, 300%... sve je isto.

Zbog zahteva za klađenje:

igrač ima matematički 0% šanse za povlačenje,

dok su njihovi gubici najveći mogući,

i zbog kategorije naloga, ne mogu se ni pojaviti visoki multiplikatori.

Ovo nije promocija.

Ovo je poslovni model.

❗ Problem nije u gubitku – problem je u skrivenim ograničenjima

Igrač ima pravo da zna:

u kojoj kategoriji on spada,

sa kakvim šansama igra,

pod kojim uslovima njegov profil funkcioniše,

i zašto ne može da dobije nikakve normalne dobitke.

Problem je potpuni nedostatak transparentnosti.

⭐ Moja poruka igračima

Ako dobijete novu bonus ponudu, posebno preko telefona:

razmisli dvaput.

Ako ste već igrali na nekoliko platformi pod istim provajderom:

Gotovo je sigurno da ste na ograničenom računu.

I da:

Zato ne pobeđuješ.

⭐ Moja poruka kazinu

Ne želim bonus od 200%.

Ako je zaista toliko korisno, trebalo bi da ga uplatite – to bi takođe bio prihod.

I am not a novice player. I have played on several platforms, so I recognize the patterns exactly.

Millioner / Crownplay / Robocat / Wildrobin and their associated network use background processes that players never see - and that is exactly why they are dangerous.

. The immediate "C-category" status after registration is not a myth: It:

results in a reduced return rate,

lower volatility,

minimal winning patterns,

and practically zero jackpot or high multiplier chances.

The problem is not only that it exists.

The problem is that the player is NEVER informed about it.

The "kindness" of free spins is just a lure

20 free spins - with a 1 euro win?

This is completely consistent with a preset, limited account.

The most typical signs:

every spin throws a small prize of a cent,

never activates a bonus,

the same fixed minimum amount comes out,

the result of the 20th spin is displayed in a pop-up window before the spin (which would be technically impossible with a fair RNG).

This is not "bad luck".

This is a sign of a limited category.

🔥 3. Telephone bonus offer? A real, licensed casino NEVER does this

I was lucky enough to find a casino that offered a 200% bonus over the phone.

A fair provider with an MGA or EU license:

does not call players,

does not push aggressive bonuses,

does not try to withdraw limited profiles.

This method is a feature of the alternative Curacao chain.

🔥 4. Opaque data sharing in the background

The most worrying thing:

if you have played on another platform under the same provider, these casinos automatically know about it – and immediately restrict you.

The player is not informed about this.

This raises:

GDPR data management issues,

transparency issues,

and license compatibility concerns.

🔥 5. Bonus offers are actually part of wagering traps

200%, 300%… it’s all the same.

Due to the wagering requirements:

the player has a mathematically 0% chance of withdrawing,

while their losses are the highest possible,

and due to the account category, no high multipliers can even come in.

This is not a promotion.

This is a business model.

❗ The problem is not with losing – it’s with hidden restrictions

The player has the right to know:

what category he is in,

what odds he is playing with,

what conditions his profile works under,

and why he can’t get any normal winnings.

The problem is the complete lack of transparency.

⭐ My message to players

If you get a new bonus offer, especially over the phone:

think twice.

If you have already played on several platforms under the same provider:

it is almost certain that you are on a limited account.

And yes:

That’s why you are not winning.

⭐ My message to the casino

I don’t want the 200% bonus.

If it is really that beneficial, you should pay it in – that would also be income.

Jaro

Anton1925

Forum and Reviews Administrator

Anton1925

pre 2 meseci

OriginalPrevod

Hi, interesting points you mentioned.

I would say that if, according to you, a casino can limit various things in the background, I don't think so at all. Lowering RTP or volatility and the like is simply not as easy as players may think. Especially when the casino has games from a provider and not some fake ones.

As for bonuses or FS, it's clear that they are often used to attract players to play. I don't know what the difference is between sending someone a text, email, or whatever. I have never encountered anyone being contacted by phone, I mean a call, and you yourself write that you were lucky enough to find such a casino, so this is probably minimal nowadays.

Data sharing is normal today and is nothing unusual, especially when it comes to a single group of casinos. However, I don't know on what basis they would restrict you. If for example a player abused something in one casino from the group, then it could happen that they could restrict him if he wants to open an account in another casino from the group. In any case, it's true that the casino doesn't have to want you as a customer and doesn't have to tell you anything about it.

As for bonuses in general, players don't have to accept them. I would always read everything that is written about them, because that is where problems often arise. If the wagering requirement is high, the player does not have to play with them. In my opinion, not every bonus is advantageous.

Thanks for your points and I hope you do well.

Have a nice day.🙂

Anton1925

Bronza

Mađarska

pre 2 meseci

OriginalPrevod

Hvala vam na odgovoru.

Dozvolite mi da razjasnim nekoliko tehničkih tačaka, jer su neke vaše izjave činjenično netačne ili nepotpune sa stanovišta industrije. 1. RTP se može podesiti — izborom različitih RTP verzija koje pružaju dobavljači igara. Nije univerzalno, ali mnogi dobavljači zvanično objavljuju više RTP varijanti iste igre. Dokumentovani primeri:

Pragmatična igra → 96%, 95%, 94%, 92%, 88%, 86%

Plejson → 96%, 94%, 91%

BGejming → sa 97% na 80%

Buungo → 96%, 95%, 92%

KA Gaming → 98%–85%

Spinomenalni → 96%, 95%, 93%, 88%

Ovo su RTP verzije koje su napravili provajderi, a kazina jednostavno biraju koju verziju će pokrenuti.

Dakle, tvrdnja da se „RTP ne može zaista kontrolisati" nije tačna.

To je veoma uobičajena, dokumentovana i široko poznata industrijska praksa.

2. Volatilnost je fiksna — ali ishod sesije je i dalje pod uticajem kontrola na serverskoj strani

Kazina i agregatori ne mogu da promene matematiku licencirane igre, ali mogu da utiču na ishod sesije koristeći:

početne vrednosti sesije (unapred definisane sekvence)

unapred generisani spin paketi

ograničenja isplata po mehanizmu rizika

bihevioralno bodovanje

simulacija volatilnosti na nivou agregatora

modeli segmentacije igrača

Zbog toga se ista igra, sa istom veličinom uloga, može ponašati drastično različito za dva igrača.

Ovo nije „sreća".

Ovo je segmentacija.

3. Profilisanje igrača je stvarno — i široko se koristi

Moderni mehanizmi za kontrolu rizika dodeljuju profile kao što su:

bonus rezultat zloupotrebe

vrednosni rezultat

predviđena negativna EV

RTP-segmentirane grupe

rizik od dupliranog naloga

visokorizični obrasci fiksnog depozita ili povrata novca

C-profil / profil sa niskim nivoom poverenja (naziv varira, ali logika je industrijski standard)

To su automatski sistemi u realnom vremenu.

Ljudska intervencija je minimalna.

Dakle, da: igrač može biti ograničen bez ikakvog „pogrešnog" ponašanja.

Dovoljno je samo spadanje u određenu kategoriju ponašanja.

4. Deljenje podataka između kazina apsolutno uzrokuje ograničenja

Spomenuli ste da ne znate zašto bi kazino grupa ograničavala nekoga.

Evo standardnih okidača:

korišćenje bonusa u više kazina unutar iste grupe

određeni predvidljivi obrasci igre

ponovljeni depoziti male vrednosti

mnogo besplatnih okretaja koji se koriste kod različitih brendova

nema povlačenja tokom više sesija

agresivna igra sa RTP test obrascima

podudaranja uređaja/IP adrese sa drugim nalozima

identičan otisak prsta u igri u poređenju sa poznatim lovcima na bonuse

One se automatski dele u celoj grupi.

Igrač nikada nije obavešten.

5. Telefonski pozivi iz kazina su poznata taktika kod operatera sa niskim licencama

Spomenuli ste da je retko.

Retko je samo među visokokvalitetnim licenciranim kazinima.

Operateri podlicenciranih na Kurasau i dalje koriste:

upoznavanje sa telefonom

bonus push pozivi

VIP aktivacioni pozivi

pozivi za ponovno deponovanje

Ovo nije „sreća".

Ovo je poznata strategija koju koriste slabiji operateri za povećanje LTV-a.

6. Bonusi su opcioni — ali profilisanje na osnovu korišćenja bonusa nije

Čak i ako igrač ne želi da uzme bonuse, kazino često:

ispušta iznenađujuće bonuse

šalje automatske besplatne okrete

šalje „nagrade za angažovanje"

šalje dnevne bonuse za prijavu

Ovo automatski pokreće promene mehanizma za procenu rizika i profila.

Mnogi igrači se nalaze u segmentu niske vrednosti, a da toga nisu ni svesni.

Zaključak (ljubazan, ali čvrst)

Hvala vam još jednom na odgovoru.

Poštujem tvoje mišljenje, ali trenutni iGaming ekosistem koristi:

RTP segmentacija

profilisanje igrača na nivou cele grupe

automatizovana klasifikacija

mehanizmi za upravljanje rizikom na pozadini

unapred generisane serije spinova

bodovanje ponašanja među brendovima

Ovi mehanizmi su stvarni, dokumentovani i utiču na hiljade igrača — posebno u okruženjima sa licencom koju je licencirao Kurasao.

Nisam ovde da se raspravljam, već samo da podelim činjenične informacije na nivou industrije potkrepljene podacima, logovima i dokazima o igranju.

Želim vam divan dan i sve najbolje

Thank you for your reply.

Please allow me to clarify a few technical points, because several statements you made are factually incorrect or incomplete from an industry perspective. 1.RTP can be adjusted — by choosing different RTP versions provided by the game suppliers. It is not universal, but many providers officially release multiple RTP variants of the same gameDocumented examples:

Pragmatic Play → 96%, 95%, 94%, 92%, 88%, 86%

Playson → 96%, 94%, 91%

BGaming → 97% down to 80%

Booongo → 96%, 95%, 92%

KA Gaming → 98%–85%

Spinomenal → 96%, 95%, 93%, 88%

These are provider-made RTP builds, and casinos simply choose which version to run.

So the claim that "RTP cannot really be controlled" is not accurate.

It is a very common, documented, and widely known industry practice.

2. Volatility is fixed — but session outcome is still influenced through backend controls

Casinos and aggregators cannot change the math of a licensed game, but they can influence the session outcome using:

session seeds (predefined sequences)

pre-generated spin packages

risk-engine payout limits

behavioral scoring

volatility simulation on the aggregator level

player segmentation models

This is why the same game, with the same bet size, can behave drastically differently for two players.

This is not "luck".

This is segmentation.

3. Player profiling is real — and widely used

Modern risk engines assign profiles such as:

bonus abuse score

value score

predicted negative EV

RTP-segmented groups

duplicated-account risk

high-risk FD or cashback patterns

C-profile / low-trust profile (name varies, but the logic is industry standard)

These are automatic, real-time systems.

Human intervention is minimal.

So yes: a player can be restricted without doing anything "wrong".

Just falling into a specific behavioral category is enough.

4. Cross-casino data sharing absolutely causes restrictions

You mentioned you don’t know why a casino group would restrict someone.

Here are the standard triggers:

using bonuses on multiple casinos within the same group

certain predictable play patterns

repeated low-value deposits

many free spins used across brands

no withdrawals across multiple sessions

aggressive RTP test-pattern play

device/IP matches with other accounts

identical gameplay fingerprint compared to known bonus hunters

These are automatically shared across the group.

The player is never notified.

5. Phone calls from casinos are a known tactic in low-license operators

You mentioned it is rare.

It is rare only among high-tier licensed casinos.

Curacao sub-license operators still use:

phone onboarding

bonus push-calls

VIP activation calls

re-deposit calls

This is not "luck".

This is a known strategy used by weaker operators to increase LTV.

6. Bonuses are optional — but the profiling based on bonus usage is not

Even if a player doesn’t want to take bonuses, the casino often:

drops surprise bonuses

sends automatic free spins

sends "engagement rewards"

sends daily login bonuses

These automatically trigger the risk-engine and profile changes.

Many players get placed into a low-value segment without realizing it.

Conclusion (polite but firm)

Thank you again for your response.

I respect your view, but the current iGaming ecosystem does use:

RTP segmentation

group-wide player profiling

automated classification

backend risk engines

pre-generated spin batches

cross-brand behavioural scoring

These mechanisms are real, documented, and affect thousands of players — especially in Curacao-licensed environments.

I’m not here to argue, only to share factual industry-level information supported by data, logs, and gameplay evidence.

Wishing you a great day and all the best

Jaro

Anton1925

Forum and Reviews Administrator

Anton1925

pre 2 meseci

OriginalPrevod

Da, tačno je da kod nekih provajdera, kazina mogu da izaberu različite verzije RTP-a, ali to biraju kada kupuju slotove od njih. Ne mogu ga menjati kada žele, što je prilično važno. Ako kazino ne prikazuje RTP za slotove ili ako njihov tim za podršku ne zna tačan RTP slota kada pitam, ne bih igrao u tom kazinu. Svakako ne ako imaju slotove ispod 92% RTP-a, na primer. To bi za mene bilo veoma nisko.

Takođe, kada su u pitanju neke tačke koje ste pomenuli, ja to vidim ovako:

• „Početni podaci sesije / unapred definisane sekvence"

Slotovi koriste semena, ali:

Automatski ih kreira generator slučajnih brojeva (RNG).

Ne dozvoljavaju kazinima da unapred odrede vaše dobitke/gubitke.

Regulatori zahtevaju da ishodi budu nepredvidivi i da nisu unapred fiksirani.

Dakle, koncept je tačan, ali tvrdnja je pogrešna.

• „Unapred generisani spin paketi"

Ponekad generatori slučajnih brojeva (RNG) unapred generišu niz slučajnih brojeva radi efikasnosti, ali: Kazina ih ne mogu videti. Kazina ne mogu dodeliti nizove određenim igračima kako bi kontrolisali ishode. Ovo je pogrešno razumevanje načina na koji funkcioniše grupisanje RNG-a.

• „Ograničenja isplata po mehanizmu rizika"

Tačno, ali pomalo obmanjujuće:

Operatori ograničavaju izloženost (npr. maksimalni dobitak po bonus rundi). Ali ne mogu da ponište generator slučajnih brojeva sertifikovane igre. Mogu da odbiju da prihvate opkladu preko određene veličine ili privremeno blokiraju funkcije. Ovde se radi o upravljanju odgovornošću, a ne o manipulaciji ishodom.

• „Bodovanje ponašanja / segmentacija"

Da, kazina rade segmentaciju, ali: Da bi prilagodili bonuse, marketing, limite, RG intervencije. NE da bi odlučili da li ćete pobediti ili izgubiti. Segmentacija utiče na ponude koje dobijate, a ne na matematički ishod okretaja.

• „Simulacija volatilnosti na nivou agregatora"

Regulisani agregatori ne mogu da menjaju volatilnost sertifikovane igre.

Neka tržišta dozvoljavaju „varijante igre" (npr. verzija sa 94% RTP-a), ali svaka verzija je posebno sertifikovana i ne može se menjati u hodu.

Suština je da-

➡️ U regulisanim jurisdikcijama: Kazina ne mogu uticati na ishode okretanja. Generator slučajnih brojeva (RNG) i matematika igre su fiksni i nezavisno sertifikovani.

➡️ Na neregulisanim/ofšor tržištima: Kontrole se mogu zloupotrebiti jer je sprovođenje slabo. Ali čak i tamo, većina dobavljača igara i dalje koristi standardne generatore slučajnih brojeva (RNG).

Što se tiče tvoje sledeće tačke, rekao bih da može da završi na nekoj vrsti „liste" i da bude ograničeno, ali mislim da u 99% slučajeva uvek postoji razlog za to. Ako neko zloupotrebi bilo šta u kazinu, normalno je da se to desi.

Ono što sledeće kažeš je tačno, slažem se sa tim. Ono što sam mislio je da kazina obično imaju razlog za ograničavanje igrača. To se retko dešava bez razloga, a podaci su svakako važni za kazina ako žele da se zaštite od nekoga ko zloupotrebljava sistem.

Što se tiče poziva, retko sam ovo čuo od igrača, tako da mi je privuklo pažnju. Ne kažem da se ne može desiti, ali sam iznenađen i lično bi me to mnogo uznemirilo.

Takođe vam se zahvaljujem na vašem mišljenju. Ne vodim svaki dan ovakav razgovor. Deljenje vaših misli je zaista dobro. Možemo upoređivati ili razgovarati na normalan način o iskustvima ili stavovima.

Bilo mi je drago da te čujem i želim ti još jednom prijatan dan. 🙂

Yes, it is true that with some providers, casinos can choose different versions of RTP, but they choose this when they purchase slots from them. They cannot change it as and when they want, which is quite important. If a casino does not display the RTP for slots, or if their support team does not know the specific RTP of a slot when I ask, I would not play at that casino. Certainly not if they had any slots below 92% RTP, for example. That would be very low for me.

Also when it comes to some points you mentioned I see it like this:

• "Session seeds / predefined sequences"

Slots do use seeds but:

They are created by the RNG automatically.

They do not allow casinos to predetermine your wins/losses.

Regulators require that outcomes are unpredictable and not fixed in advance.

So true concept, but the claim is wrong.

• "Pre-generated spin packages"

Sometimes RNGs generate a sequence of random numbers ahead of time for efficiency, but: Casinos cannot see them. Casinos cannot assign sequences to specific players to control outcomes. This is a misunderstanding of how RNG batching works.

• "Risk-engine payout limits"

True, but kind of misleading:

Operators do limit exposure (e.g., max win per bonus round). But they cannot override the RNG of a certified game. They can refuse to accept a bet over a certain size, or block features temporarily. This is about liability management, not outcome manipulation.

• "Behavioral scoring / segmentation"

Yes, casinos do segmentation but: To adjust bonuses, marketing, limits, RG interventions. NOT to decide whether you win or lose. Segmentation affects the offers you get, not the mathematical outcome of spins.

• "Volatility simulation on aggregator level"

Regulated aggregators cannot alter volatility of a certified game.

Some markets allow "game variants" (e.g., 94% RTP version), but each version is separately certified and cannot be changed on the fly.

The bottom line is that-

➡️ In regulated jurisdictions: Casinos cannot influence spin outcomes. RNG and game math are fixed and independently certified.

➡️ In unregulated / offshore markets: Controls can be abused because enforcement is weak. But even there, most game providers still use standard RNG engines.

As for your next point, I would say that it may end up on some kind of "list" and be restricted, but I think that in 99% of cases there is always a reason for this. If someone abuses anything in a casino, it's normal for this to happen.

What you say next is true, I agree with that. What I meant was that casinos usually have a reason for restricting players. It rarely happens without reason, and the data is definitely important for casinos if they want to protect themselves from someone who abuses the system.

Regarding the calls, I've rarely heard this from players, so it caught my attention. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm surprised and personally, it would bother me a lot.

I also thank you for your opinion. Not everyday I have this kind of conversation. Sharing you thoughts is really good. We can compare or talk in normal manner about experiences or views.

So it was good to hear from you and I wish you again a pleasant day. 🙂

Anton1925

Bronza

Mađarska

pre 2 meseci

OriginalPrevod

Hvala vam puno na detaljnom objašnjenju. Zaista cenim profesionalni ton i transparentnost koju unosite u ovu diskusiju — iskreno, retko se vodi ovako otvoren razgovor.

Slažem se sa nekoliko stvari koje ste pomenuli, posebno u vezi sa regulisanim tržištima, sertifikovanim generatorom slučajnih brojeva (RNG) i osnovnim ograničenjima onoga što kazina mogu ili ne mogu sama da menjaju. Ovo su važna pojašnjenja.

Međutim, želeo bih da podelim svoju perspektivu zasnovanu na stvarnom, ponovljenom iskustvu igrača, posebno u ofšor i slabo regulisanim okruženjima, jer se tu stvari često razlikuju od teorijskih standarda:

• Što se tiče RTP verzija:

Razumem da kazina biraju varijante RTP-a prilikom kupovine. Problem koji sam lično video je taj što mnogi ofšor sajtovi ne prikazuju RTP, podrška često ne može da odgovori, a neki provajderi nude izuzetno niske verzije (ponekad čak i ispod 90%). Ovo stvara ogromnu razliku u transparentnosti za igrače.

• O početnim vrednostima i grupisanju generisanih brojeva (RNG):

Slažem se da ovi mehanizmi nisu dizajnirani za manipulaciju.

Ali igrači često pogrešno razumeju zašto rezultati mogu delovati šablonski ili „zasnovani na sesiji", posebno prilikom promene uređaja, IP adresa ili načina plaćanja.

Ovo ne znači manipulaciju — ali apsolutno stvara percepciju, jer mnogi ofšor kazina ne pružaju nikakav regulatorni nadzor, nemaju sertifikate za testiranje i nemaju objavljene verzije igara.

• Segmentacija ponašanja:

Potpuno se slažem da kazina koriste segmentaciju uglavnom za bonuse, limite, marketing i procese odgovornog kockanja.

Ipak, iskustvo igrača je da premeštanje u određene kategorije (posebno „profile rizika") direktno korelira sa znatno lošijim ishodima.

Čak i ako je ovo slučajnost ili nesporazum, stvarnost je sledeća:

➡️ Igrači se osećaju kažnjeno zbog normalnog ponašanja,

➡️ A kazina ništa od ovoga ne komuniciraju jasno.

• Ofšor tržišta naspram regulisanih tržišta:

Ovo je upravo moja glavna poenta.

U regulisanim jurisdikcijama, sistem funkcioniše.

Ali većina problema na koje se igrači žale (uključujući i mene) dešava se van regulisanih okruženja, gde:

– Kazino je operater,

– Kazino je regulator,

– Kazino je sudija u sporovima,

– A često kazino kontroliše i agregator.

U ovim slučajevima, čak i ako provajderi koriste standardne generatore slučajnih brojeva (RNG), sprovođenje je slabo, a igrači nemaju transparentnost, nemaju izveštaje i nemaju smislen mehanizam za rešavanje sporova.

• O igračima koji su stavljeni na „liste" ili im je dodeljena ograničenja:

Razumem da postoje opravdani razlozi za ograničenja.

Ali u mnogim ofšor kazinima, ograničenja dolaze bez objašnjenja, bez dokaza i bez ikakve dostupne revizije sporova.

Zbog toga mnogi igrači smatraju da je sistem jednostran.

⭐ Ukupno:

Zaista cenim vaša objašnjenja — ona pomažu u razjašnjavanju teorijske strane.

Ali se nadam da možete razumeti i praktičnu stvarnost na strani igrača, gde nedostatak transparentnosti, licenciranje u inostranstvu i loša komunikacija stvaraju veoma drugačije iskustvo od onoga što „sertifikovani generator slučajnih brojeva" znači na papiru.

Hvala vam još jednom što ste ozbiljno shvatili razgovor.

To je retko, i ja to poštujem.

I ja tebi želim divan dan. 🙂

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. I truly appreciate the professional tone and the transparency you bring to this discussion — it’s honestly rare to have an open conversation like this.

I agree with several points you mentioned, especially regarding regulated markets, certified RNG, and the basic limitations of what casinos can or cannot modify on their own. These are important clarifications.

However, I would like to share my perspective based on real, repeated player experience, especially in offshore and loosely regulated environments, because this is where things often diverge from the theoretical standards:

• Regarding RTP versions:

I understand that casinos choose RTP variants at the time of purchase. The issue I’ve personally seen is that many offshore sites do not display RTP, support often cannot answer, and some providers offer extremely low versions (sometimes even below 90%). This creates a huge transparency gap for players.

• About seeds and RNG batching:

I agree these mechanisms are not designed for manipulation.

But players often misunderstand why outcomes can feel patterned or "session-based", especially when switching devices, IP addresses, or payment methods.

This doesn’t mean manipulation — but it absolutely creates the perception, because many offshore casinos provide zero regulatory oversight, no testing certificates, and no published game versions.

• Behavioral segmentation:

I fully agree casinos use segmentation mainly for bonuses, limits, marketing, and responsible gambling processes.

Still, the player’s experience is that being moved into certain categories (especially "risk profiles") directly correlates with significantly worse outcomes.

Even if this is coincidence or misunderstanding, the reality is:

➡️ Players feel punished for normal behavior,

➡️ And casinos communicate none of this clearly.

• Offshore markets vs regulated markets:

This is exactly my main point.

In regulated jurisdictions, the system works.

But most issues players complain about (including myself) happen outside of regulated environments, where:

– The casino is the operator,

– The casino is the regulator,

– The casino is the judge of disputes,

– And often the casino also controls the aggregator.

In these cases, even if providers use standard RNG engines, enforcement is weak, and players have no transparency, no reports, and no meaningful dispute mechanism.

• About players being put on "lists" or restricted:

I understand there are legitimate reasons for restrictions.

But in many offshore casinos, restrictions come without explanation, without evidence, and without any accessible dispute review.

This is why many players feel the system is one-sided.

⭐ Overall:

I truly appreciate your explanations — they help clarify the theoretical side.

But I hope you can also understand the practical player-side reality, where lack of transparency, offshore licensing, and poor communication create a very different experience than what "certified RNG" means on paper.

Thank you again for taking the conversation seriously.

It’s rare, and I respect it.

I wish you a great day as well. 🙂

Jaro

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Potpuno se slažem u vezi sa RTP-om. Ne znam da li sam to pomenuo, ali verovatno ne bih igrao u takvom kazinu. Pogotovo ako nije licenciran. Kazina bi trebalo da prikazuju ove informacije; to bi bilo najbolje, iako znam da to nije standardna praksa i da se ne dešava u svakom kazinu. Dakle, oni koji to ne prikazuju i ne žele ništa da kažu o tome mogu imati niži RTP nego što igrači misle.

Potpuno ste u pravu, percepcija šablona je ono što uzrokuje većinu nepoverenja, čak i kada nema stvarne manipulacije. A u neregulisanim ili slabo regulisanim ofšor okruženjima, ta percepcija postaje gotovo neizbežna.

Zatim, kazina segmentiraju igrače, ali uglavnom zbog marketinga, podobnosti za bonuse, ograničenja i zastavica odgovornog kockanja. Međutim, iz perspektive igrača, svrstavanje u određene kategorije ponašanja ili „rizika" često se čini kao da direktno utiče na ishode igre.

Čak i ako segmentacija nema nikakve veze sa generatorom slučajnih brojeva (RNG), iskustvo je i dalje:

➡️ Igrači se osećaju kažnjeno zbog sasvim normalnog ponašanja,

➡️ A kazina ne objašnjavaju ništa od ovoga, ostavljajući ih da pretpostave najgore.

Dakle, problem nije manipulacija, već loša transparentnost, koja stvara percepciju uzroka i posledice tamo gde ona zapravo ne postoji.

Što se tiče ofšor kazina, da, uvek je važno igrati u kazinima koja su regulisana i licencirana. Veća je verovatnoća da će igrači moći da se obrate nekome ili autoritetu ako se desi nešto što je suprotno pravilima, uslovima ili ako se kazino ponaša nepošteno.

Međutim, mnogi igrači isprobavaju nove kazina o kojima nemaju informacije i onda nailaze na mnogo problema. Danas živimo u doba kada se informacije mogu pronaći sa samo nekoliko klikova. Ako to nije moguće za određeni kazino ili ako su dostupne samo ograničene informacije, onda vredi razmotriti da li je pogodan za depozite.

Što se tiče ograničenja, imajte na umu da se ovo može desiti i u redovnim kazinima. Nemam statistiku koliko često se ovo dešava u redovnim i ofšor kazinima, ali sam se sa tim susretao mnogo puta. Stvar je u tome što mnogi kazina ne mogu ili ne žele da dele informacije koje bi im mogle na bilo koji način naštetiti. Zato pokušavaju da se na neki način zaštite i retko objašnjavaju igračima zašto su tačno uveli određena ograničenja. Naravno, potrebno je razlikovati da li je ovo fer sa strane kazina u svakom slučaju, što svakako ne mislim da jeste, ali postoji i mnogo igrača koji zloupotrebljavaju sistem čim otkriju šta su pogrešili.

Naravno, stvari koje ste pomenuli nisu nimalo loše i razumem perspektivu igrača. Bez toga bi bilo teško, a svakako ne pokušavam da stanem na stranu kazina kada to jednostavno nije prikladno i kada postoji mnogo dokaza protiv njih.

Zato imamo Centar za žalbe na rešavanje sporova.

Zato uvek pokušavamo da pomognemo igračima kojima je potrebna pomoć, bez obzira na to šta se desi.

Takođe vam se zahvaljujem na vašem doprinosu. 🙂

I completely agree with regard to RTP. I don't know if I mentioned it, but I probably wouldn't play at a casino like that. Especially if it wasn't licensed. Casinos should display this information; that would be best, even though I know it's not standard practice and doesn't happen in every casino. So, those that don't display it and don't want to say anything about it may have a lower RTP than players think.

You're absolutely right, the perception of patterning is what causes most of the distrust, even when there is no actual manipulation. And in unregulated or lightly regulated offshore environments, that perception becomes almost inevitable.

Next, casinos do segment players, but mainly for marketing, bonus eligibility, limits, and responsible-gambling flags. However, from the player’s perspective, being placed in certain behavioral or "risk" categories often feels like it directly affects game outcomes.

Even if segmentation has zero connection to the RNG, the experience is still:

➡️ Players feel punished for perfectly normal behavior,

➡️ And casinos explain none of this, leaving them to assume the worst.

So the issue isn’t manipulation, it’s poor transparency, which creates a perception of cause-and-effect where none actually exists.

As far as offshore casinos are concerned, yes, it is always important to play at casinos that are regulated and licensed. There is a greater chance that players will be able to turn to someone, or an authority, if something happens that is contrary to the rules, terms, or if the casino behaves dishonestly.

However, many players try new casinos about which they have no information and then encounter a lot of problems. Today, we live in an age where information can be found with just a few clicks. If this is not possible for a particular casino, or if only limited information is available, then it is worth considering whether it is suitable for deposits.

Regarding restrictions, keep in mind that this can also happen in regular casinos. I don't have statistics on how often this happens in regular and offshore casinos, but I've encountered it many times. The thing is that many casinos cannot or do not want to share information that could harm them in any way. So they try to protect themselves in some way and rarely explain to players exactly why they have imposed certain restrictions. Of course, it is necessary to distinguish whether this is fair on the part of the casino in every case, which I certainly do not think it is, but there are also many players who abuse the system as soon as they find out what they have done wrong.

Of course, the points you mentioned are not bad at all, and I understand the player's perspective. Without that, it would be difficult, and I certainly don't try to take the casino's side when it's simply not appropriate and there is a lot of evidence against them.

That's why we have the Resolution Complaint Center.

So we always try to help players in need, no matter what happens.

I also thank you for your input. 🙂

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