Napomena: Svestan sam dužine ovog komentara i izvinjavam se zbog nje. Molim vas, uzmite u obzir obim situacije.
Želeo sam da ovde dam najnovije informacije u nadi da ću moći da nateram nekoga van Mihala da proceni situaciju, ili da mogu da nateram Mihala da u potpunosti proceni situaciju. Svestan sam da osoblje van zvaničnog tima za žalbe može imati ograničena ovlašćenja da bilo šta učini, ali možda ko god ovo pročita može da ovo stavi na radar nekoga relevantnog. Mihal, na osnovu ograničenog broja bavljenja ovom temom, predstavio je svoj stav kao nerešiv, pa mi oprostite što mu se nisam odmah obratio.
Od sada ću kazino Paradise 8 i njegovu sestrinsku stranicu ThisIsVegas nazivati TIV.
Prvo, veoma kratak pregled moje situacije. TIV je konfiskovao 111.758 dolara sa mog računa. Pored toga, nedvosmisleno sam izneo tvrdnje da su falsifikovali rezultate na turnirima koje su organizovali, stav koji sam detaljno objasnio i za koji sam pružio značajnu količinu dokaza i dokumentacije. TIV mi je konfiskovao poslednjih 31.608 dolara uz opravdanje da sam podneo javne žalbe protiv njih. Štaviše, oni tvrde da je reč o kleveti. Detalji relevantni za ovu situaciju bili bi predugi da bi se ponavljali u predviđenom prostoru. Stoga, dajem odgovarajući link za pravilan rezime prethodnih detalja:
https://vvv.gamblingforums.com/threads/issues-at-thisisvegas-paradise-8-80-150-revoked.26683/
(Ako imate politiku protiv linkova i povlačite ih, referenca na njih bi i dalje trebalo da bude zabeležena.)
Ne očekujem da pročitaš celu tu objavu pre sledećeg odgovora, ali mislim da bi bilo prikladno da je kratko pogledaš da bi se stekao utisak o obimu žalbe koju sam podneo protiv TIV-a. Podneo sam 3 odvojene žalbe ovde protiv TIV-a, koje je Mihal sve odbacio. Više o tome kasnije.
Pre nego što sam ovde podneo svoju treću žalbu, detaljno sam objavio situaciju na sajtu Casinomeister:
https://vvv.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/serioz-issuses-at-casino-111-758-of-mi-balanse-revoked.102103/
Komentari sa te objave protiv TIV-a su uključivali „To je verovatno najgori kazino za koji sam ikada čuo" i „Gnusna i odvratna grupa, sudeći po tome". Nije bilo komentara u njihovu odbranu. Što se tiče samog Casinomeister-a, njegov zvanični javni odgovor, osim „TIV je poznat po ignorisanju žalbi igrača, tako da nismo mogli mnogo da mu pomognemo", izgleda da je bio:
-Sajt nema licencu
-Imaju neke od najpredatorskijih uslova koje sam video - ograničenje povlačenja od 500 dolara nedeljno na osnovnom nivou, besplatni čipovi utiču na stanje gotovine, ograničenje povlačenja od 10 puta na skromne depozite, naknade za povlačenje od 10 dolara+, gubitak sredstava nakon 90 dana neaktivnosti.
- Stranice i stranice i stranice pravila koja mogu da koriste da vam uzmu stanje na računu, uključujući i ono koje pominjete „Ukoliko kazino u bilo kom trenutku otkrije aktivnu ili prošlu žalbu/spor/kritiku na javnom forumu ili blogu ili bilo kojoj drugoj vrsti veb stranice." (i čak ne navodi njihovu sopstvenu veb stranicu u toj klauzuli, tako da se računa svaka nejasno negativna povratna informacija zajednice).
... i šok užas, kada si nešto dobio, oni su ukrali novac. To nije kockanje, to je prevara... i bio si izmrvljen kao kukuruza. Ako je previše dobro da bi bilo istinito...
Čitav vaš argument zahteva osnovu da druga strana deluje sa izvesnim nivoom dobre vere. Ako to nije slučaj - a podsetimo se da uopšte nemaju licencu - onda je njihova namera bila da vas navedu, navedu da uplaćujete depozit i igrate za nagrade koje nemaju nameru da poštuju.
Ovaj odgovor je pogrešno shvatio deo o licenciranju. Imali su licencu kada sam ja igrao tamo. Takođe je bio pomalo redukovan, definitivno neiscrpan i, s obzirom na prethodnu istoriju, verovatno je bio osmišljen da i meni pokuša jednu ili dve. Ipak, u vezi sa drugim komentarima, nekima putem privatnih poruka, čini se veoma verovatnim da Casinomeister nije kupovao pozicije TIV-a.
TIV nije odgovorio na tu objavu. Umesto toga, kada sam podnosio svoju treću žalbu protiv njih ovde na Casino Guru, uputili su Mihala na prethodnu objavu koju sam napravio na Casinomeister-u. Ova je bila protiv kazina Slotastic. Na kraju je bila opomena od strane glavnog administratora Casinomeister-a, Maksa Drejmana. Mihal mi je citirao sledeće odlomke i izjavio da više neće razmatrati moj slučaj:
Da, pa, to izgleda kao obrazac sa tvojim objavama: kažeš nešto što nije istina -- obično tvrdeći da si žrtva nečega -- a kada te isprave sa potkrepljujućim dokazima, kažeš „Nisam pokušavao da impliciram bla bla bla".
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Pretpostavljam da bi, ako biste izbegli pristup „teško je bilo" i približili se istini u početku, takvi „nesporazumi" bili mnogo ređi. Takođe, vaše vreme ovde bi bilo mnogo manje ispunjeno tenzijama koje neizbežno proizilaze iz toga što moramo stalno da pratimo vaše objave kako bismo suprotstavili vašim lažnim tvrdnjama i sebičnim iskrivljavanjima činjenica.
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Note: I am aware of and apologize for the length of this comment. Please take into consideration the scale of the situation.
I wanted to give an update here in the hopes that I can induce a pair of eyes outside of Michal to appraise the situation, or that I can get Michal to appraise the situation in full. I am aware personnel outside of the official complaints team may have limited power to do anything, but maybe whoever reads this can put this on the radar of someone relevant. Michal, from the limited amount he has engaged the subject, has presented his position as being intractable, so forgive me for not going back to him straight away.
Henceforth, I shall refer to Paradise 8 and sister site ThisIsVegas casino as TIV.
First, a very brief recap of my situation. TIV has confiscated $111,758 of my balance. In addition, I have unequivocally made allegations that they've fabricated scores in the tournaments they ran, a position I have explained at great length and for which I have provided a substantial amount of evidence and documentation for. TIV confiscated my last $31,608 under justification that I had made public complaints against them. Moreso, they allege slander. The details relevant to this situation would be too lengthy to repeat in the space provided. Therefore, I am providing the appropriate link for a proper summary of previous details:
https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/issues-at-thisisvegas-paradise-8-80-150-revoked.26683/
(If you have a policy against links and retract them, a reference to them should still be on record.)
I do not expect you to read that whole post prior to your next response, but a momentary glance at it I think would be appropriate to get a sense of scale of the complaint that I have rendered against TIV. I had made 3 separate complaints here against TIV, all dismissed by Michal. More on that later.
Prior to issuing my 3rd complaint here, I posted about the situation in detail at Casinomeister:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/serious-issues-at-casino-111-758-of-my-balance-revoked.102103/
Comments from that post against TIV included "That may very well be the worst casino I've ever heard of" and "Vile & disgusting group by the sounds of it". There were no comments in their defense. As for Casinomeister itself, its official public response, aside from "TIV is notorious for ignoring player complaints so we couldn't do much to help him anyway" seems to have been:
-The site has no license
-They have some of the most predatory terms I've seen - $500/week withdrawal limit at the base tier, free chips taint cash balances, 10x withdrawal caps on modest deposits, $10+ withdrawal fees, balances forfeit after 90 days of inactivity.
-Pages and pages and pages of rules that they can use to take your balance, including one you mention "Should at any time the casino discover an active or past complaint/dispute/criticism on a public forum or blog or any other type of website." (and it doesn't even specify their own site in that clause, so any vaguely negative community feedback counts).
... and shock horror, when you won something, they stole the money. It's not gambling, it's fraud... and you got done up like a kipper. If it's too good to be true...
Your entire argument requires a foundation that the other side is acting with some level of good faith. If they are not - and recall they have no license at all - then their intention was to string you along, get you depositing and playing for prizes they have no intention of honouring.
This response got the licensing part wrong. They were licensed when I played there. It also was a bit reductive, definitely not comprehensive, and, given prior history, likely designed to take a shot or two at me as well. Still, in conjunction with other comments, some through PM, it seems very likely Casinomeister was not buying TIV's positions.
TIV did not respond to that post. Instead, when I was prosecuting my third complaint against them here at Casino Guru, they directed Michal to a previous post I had made at Casinomeister. This one was against Slotastic casino. At the end of it was an admonishment by senior Casinomeister administrator Max Drayman. Michal quoted at me the following excerpts and stated he would no longer be considering my case:
Yes, well, that appears to be a pattern with your posts: you say something that isn't true -- usually claiming to be the victim of one thing or another -- and when you are corrected with supporting evidence you say "I was not trying to imply blaa blaa blaa".
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I suggest that if you avoided the hard-done-by approach and sailed a little closer to the truth in the first place such "misunderstandings" would be a lot less frequent. Also, your time here would be a lot less fraught with the tensions that inevitably result from us having to constantly monitor your posts to counter your false claims and self-serving distortions of the facts.
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U kontekstu, poslednjih 19 godina sam bio profesionalni kockar sa velikim obimom kockanja i punim radnim vremenom. Predvidljivo je da su se pojavili sukobi. Vremenom sam podneo 8 formalnih žalbi na Casinomeister-u. U realnom vremenu nije bilo problema sa tim žalbama. Međutim, kada je Maks Drejman konačno pregledao koliko sam žalbi sakupio, došlo je do oštre promene u njegovom ponašanju prema meni. Nije mu se sviđalo što sam isključivo koristio njegov sajt da bih pokušao da steknem prednost u žalbama i što bih ponekad objavljivao na više veb stranica u nastojanju da proširim tu prednost. Odgovorio sam u svojoj objavi na Slotastic-u koju je on smatrao preteranom, rekavši u suštini da bi bilo dobro biti malo provokativan u svojim objavama jer bi to izazvalo reakcije koje bi povećale broj pregleda, što bi povećalo vašu prednost protiv kazina ako iznesete legitiman stav. Verovatno nisam trebalo to da kažem. Ipak, duboko sam se protivio Drejmanovim komentarima jer sam ih smatrao potpuno lažnim i proizvodima reakcionarne i plitke analize. Nisam lagao ni o čemu. Žalbe koje sam iznosio bile su značajne, legitimne i podnete kao poslednje sredstvo. Štaviše, ostaje prilično nejasno na šta je uopšte mislio (on i dalje odbija da pojasni). Pošto je Maks Drejman zatvorio temu i nije dozvolio nikakvu opciju za javni odgovor, prvobitno sam odlučio da jednostavno pređem na te komentare jer su bili na kraju žalbe koju više nisam pokretao.
Sada kada su ti komentari ponovo bili relevantni, kontaktirao sam Maksa Drejmana i objasnio mu situaciju. Zamolio sam ga da interveniše jer se to koristilo da se oslobodi odgovornosti kazino za koji verujem da je krivi. On je neko vreme odugovlačio rekavši da „razmišlja o tome". Na kraju je zauzeo stav da neće ništa preduzeti jer „ne bih cenio da nam CasinoGuru govori kako da radimo svoj posao, pa im neću ni govoriti kako da rade svoj". Podsetio sam ga da postoji mnogo stvari koje može reći, a da ne bi potkopale CasinoGuru, i da bi trebalo da dobijem priliku da odgovorim na njegove napade, i da je izbrisao neke od najosnovnijih i inače nepovezanih činjenica iz moje objave na TIV-u, ni iz kog drugog razloga osim što sam pomenuo da me je AskGamblers „izbacio" (jedina formulacija zbog koje žalim) odboru za licenciranje, što je on shvatio kao napad na njih. Nisam dobio ništa više od „Ne".
Što se tiče sledećeg koraka, želim da naglasim da je ovo apsolutno bila poslednja opcija i da sam učinio sve što sam mogao da pronađem prihvatljivije rešenje, ali sam na kraju rekao Kazinomajsteru da ako ne uklone moje komentare, podneću tužbu za klevetu kako bi se oni uklonili silom. Na kraju krajeva, ne bih bio kažnjen sa 111.000 dolara, da kazino bude oslobođen krivice, a uz to i da budem oklevetan kao lažov. Nekoliko puta sam im slao imejlove sa veoma temeljnim odgovorima na optužbe koje su izneli protiv mene i ponudio sam veoma velikodušne uslove za povlačenje kako bi to bilo vidljivo samo relevantnim stranama. Moj nalog je odmah zabranjen bez prethodne najave. Maks Drejman i bivši vlasnik Brajan Bejli odbili su da se uključe u dijalog osim što su rekli da je Kazinomajster potpuno izolovan jer je moj nalog „anoniman", da neće ukloniti komentare osim ako im to ne naloži jedan od njihovih advokata, i da povremeno uvredim. Smatrao sam da je ovaj odgovor bio u lošoj veri. Za početak, njihova odbrana „anonimnim nalogom" jednostavno nije bila istinita, i sumnjao sam da su to znali i da to samo koriste kao sredstvo odvraćanja. Moj identitet bi bio kontekstualno očigledan svim relevantnim stranama. Jednostavno čitanje zakona relevantne jurisdikcije dozvoljavalo je samo nekoliko odredbi o imunitetu, od kojih se nijedna nije odnosila na Kazinomajstera. Dalje, argument nije bio tačan na nivou zdravog razuma, i nijedan od advokata koji su čitali slučaj nije podržao ovu ideju, uključujući i Kazinomajsterovu.
Kao odgovor na moje pismo o prekidu i odustajanju, nakon što su odugovlačili nekoliko nedelja nakon početnog roka koji je naveo moj advokat, Casinomeister nije rekao ništa više od toga da su sproveli „istragu" koja je „otkrila" da sam podneo 8 žalbi, da sam kriv za višestruke (neodređene) prekršaje foruma i da neće sarađivati. Drugim rečima, smatrali su da nemaju motivaciju da se angažuju dok im ne pokažem da sam spreman da snosim troškove formalnog sudskog postupka i dokažem da takvo pismo nije bila blef taktika.
Insistirao sam da se nastavi sa sudskim sporom, ali je moj advokat odlučio da me odustane od preuzimanja odgovornosti. Nikada nije naveden nikakav razlog. Sumnjam da nisam bio dovoljno poslušan klijent za njega, ili da nije želeo da se suoči sa medijskim konglomeratom poput Gentu Medije, ili da se nije osećao kompetentnim za takav slučaj i mislio je da može lako zaraditi na pismu o prekidu i odustajanju.
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For context, I have been a high volume, full-time professional gambler for the past 19 years. Predictably, conflicts arose. Over time I accrued 8 formal complaints at Casinomeister. In real time there were no issues with those complaints. However, when Max Drayman eventually took stock of how many complaints I had compiled, there was a stark change in his conduct towards me. He did not like that I exclusively used his site to try to get leverage in complaints and that I would sometimes post at more than one website in an effort to extend that leverage. I made a response in my Slotastic post which he considered overstep, saying essentially that it could be good to be slightly provocative in your posts because it would provoke responses which would increase views which would increase your leverage against a casino if you made a legitimate point. I probably should not have said that. Still, I had taken deep exception to Drayman's comments because I considered them flat out false and the products of reactionary and shallow analysis. I had not lied about anything. The complaints I had been making were substantial, legitimate, and made as a last resort. Moreso, it remains quite unclear what he was even referring to (he still refuses to clarify). Since Max Drayman had closed the thread and would not allow any option to make a public response, I had originally decided to just move on from those comments because they were at the end of a complaint that I was no longer prosecuting.
With those comments now relevant again, I contacted Max Drayman and explained the situation. I asked him to intervene because it was being used to exonerate a casino that I believe he felt was guilty. He stalled for a while saying he was "thinking about it". Eventually he took the position that he would do nothing because "I wouldn't appreciate CasinoGuru telling us how to do our business, so I am not about to tell them how to do theirs." I reminded him there were plenty of things he could say that would not undercut CasinoGuru, and that I should get a chance to respond to his attacks, and that he had edited out some of the most basic and otherwise unrelated facts of my TIV posting for no other reason than that I had mentioned that AskGamblers had "punted me off" (the only wording I regret) to a licensing board, which he took as an attack against them. I got nothing more than a "No."
As for the next step, I want to emphasize that this was absolutely a last resort and that I did everything I could to find a more amenable solution, but I ultimately told Casinomeister that if they did not remove their comments, I was going to file libel charges to have them removed by force. After all, I was not going to get stiffed for $111,000, have the casino exonerated, and get slandered a liar on top of it. I had emailed them several times with very thorough rebuttals of the accusations they made against me, and I offered very generous terms of retraction to make it visible only to the relevant parties. My account was immediately banned without notice. Max Drayman and former owner Bryan Bailey refused to engage in a dialogue other than to say that Casinomeister was fully insulated because my account was "anonymous", that they would not remove the comments unless directed to do so by one of their lawyers, and to make some occasional insults. I considered this response to be in bad faith. For starters, their "anonymous account" defense was simply not true, and I suspected they knew this and were just using it as a deterrent. My identity would have been contextually obvious to all relevant parties. A simple reading of the laws of the relevant jurisdiction allowed only a few provisions for immunity, none of which applied to Casinomeister. Further, the argument wasn't true at a common-sense level, and none of the lawyers who read into the case backed this notion, including Casinomeister's own.
In response to my Cease & Desist letter, after stalling for several weeks after the initial deadline stated by my lawyer, Casinomeister said nothing more than that they had done an "investigation" which had "revealed" that I had made 8 complaints, that I was guilty of multiple (unspecified) forum violations, and that they would not cooperate. In other words, they felt they had no motivation to engage until I showed them that I was willing to incur the costs of formal litigation and prove that such a letter was not a bluff tactic.
I pushed to move forward with litigation, but my lawyer decided to drop me as a customer. No reason was ever provided. I suspect I wasn't a docile enough client for him, or that he did not want to take on a media conglomerate like Gentoo Media, or that he did not really feel competent for such a case and thought he could just make some easy money on a Cease & Desist letter.
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Nisam mogao da pronađem drugog advokata. Casinomeister je bila nemačka kompanija, ali ju je nedavno kupio Gentoo Media. Ovo je promenilo nadležnost na Maltu. Pripremao sam se da pokušam da napredujem kroz nemački pravni sistem i nisam saznao za nedavnu akviziciju sve do nekoliko meseci kasnije. Ovo je dosta odložilo stvari. Malta je i veoma mala pravna jurisdikcija i ona koja se bavi nekim veoma nišnim temama. Ne mogu vam opisati koliko je bilo frustrirajuće pokušati pronaći advokata koji je bio odgovoran. Činjenice slučaja su se pokazale uglavnom nebitnim. Većina advokata nije u početku odgovorila na moje imejlove ili se nisu bavili slučajevima klevete ili su bili na dužem odmoru ili bi predložili onlajn konsultacije, a zatim bi me trajno ignorisali čim bih pomenuo da moj primarni računar ima eksterni monitor bez kamere i da bih više voleo da razgovaram putem imejla. Jedan advokat je razmenio nekoliko imejlova, naveo neke početne troškove (koje sam bio spreman da platim) i onda jednostavno neobjašnjivo nestao sa lica zemlje u komunikaciji, osim jednog ili dva kratka, zbunjena odgovora. Advokat koga sam uspeo da dobijem za prestanak i odustajanje imao je zapanjujuće nedostajuću komunikaciju. Sve je funkcionisalo u veoma sporim vremenskim okvirima. Ukratko, nisam uspeo da pronađem advokata koji bi ispunio obećanje i frustrirao sam se. Želeo sam da pobedim ne samo zbog sebe, već i da ne bih potkrepio Kazinomajster da mogu nekažnjeno da dominiraju svojim korisnicima ako to žele. Takođe sam želeo da podnesem neke potpisane izjave pod zakletvom na tu temu. Umesto toga, sumnjam da me Kazinomajster sada vidi kao neku vrstu nasumičnog lutalice koja se vrti praznim pretnjama. Ipak, odlučio sam da bi bilo efikasnije da ponovo pokušam da komuniciram sa vama, Kazino Guru, uprkos svemu, sa namerom da nastavim potragu za advokatom samo ako je apsolutno neophodno.
U suštini, otkako sam prvi put zaključio da TIV falsifikuje rezultate turnira u januaru 2023. godine, već oko 32 meseca pokušavam da se snađem u situaciji da dobijem svoj novac od njih. Nemate pojma koliko je frustrirajuće prelaziti kroz iste argumente u glavi iznova i iznova i tako pedantno pažljivo prezentovati samo da biste dobili negativne rezultate za sve svoje napore, sve od minimalno uloženih i minimalno istražujućih protivstranih strana. Ne bi mi smetalo da Casino Guru ne želi da potroši vreme da pravilno proceni slučaj. To bi bilo razumljivo. Kao odgovor Mihalu, da, veoma sam svestan da je vaše rešavanje žalbi besplatna usluga. Ono što me muči je to što on donosi presudu bez savladavanja celog sadržaja. U takvoj situaciji, on uopšte ne bi trebalo da donosi presudu. Barem je AskGamblers imao dovoljno pameti da se izvuku iz situacije sa kojom nisu želeli da se bave tako što su me preusmerili na neodređeni odbor za licenciranje, iako su verovatno znali da tako nešto nema održive šanse da bilo šta postigne. TIV je podigao mnogo prašine. Morao sam da se nosim sa nejasnim klevetama gde sam bio primoran da pogađam odakle dolaze. Mihal bi trebalo da očekuje dugačke odgovore, posebno imajući u vidu količinu novca koja je u pitanju.
Moje najveće žaljenje u vezi sa rešavanjem situacije je to što nisam pomenuo ništa o lažnim rezultatima turnira u rešavanju moje početne žalbe ovde u Kazino Guruu (osim eventualnog pominjanja odeljka „B" koji nisam ni pokrenuo). Moj razlog za to je bio jednostavan. Čak i da sam mogao da ubedim Kazino Guru TIV da laži rezultate turnira, to nije nešto od čega bi se reputacija TIV-a ikada mogla popraviti. Stoga, znajući da su oni vrsta kazina koja bi tako nešto uradila, imalo bi više smisla da me jednostavno ukore ako se takva optužba ikada zadrži, jer bi njihova reputacija zbog toga bila veoma mala. Umesto toga, smatrao sam da bi imalo više smisla da se samo požalim da su prestali da vrše isplate, jer bi se tako nešto moglo nastaviti bez prethodne najave. Nisam mislio da bih mogao da izgubim tu žalbu. Gledajući unazad, trebalo je da obavim privatnu komunikaciju unapred sa naglaskom na diskreciju kako bih izneo svoje argumente kako bi Mihal kasnije sve razumeo u odgovarajućem kontekstu. Ono što sam umesto toga dobio je specijalista za žalbe koji je bio sumnjičav kada sam predstavio svoj slučaj na tu temu i koji je odlučio da to ignoriše. Zvanično, njegov stav je bio: „Uprkos detaljnom izveštaju i spremnosti da dostavi dokumentaciju, morali smo da zatvorimo žalbu jer se radilo o ponovnom podnošenju prethodno odbijenog problema, jer naš sistem nije dozvoljavao višestruke žalbe za isti slučaj." Nisam ovde da bih napadnuo integritet vašeg sajta, ali treba reći da je ovo objašnjenje besmisleno. Dalje, Mihal je pogrešno zaključio u vezi sa mojom prvom žalbom.
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I have not been able to find another lawyer. Casinomeister had been a German company but had recently been bought up by Gentoo Media. This changed the jurisdiction to Malta. I had been preparing to try to move forward through the German legal system and did not learn about the recent acquisition until a few months later. This stalled things quite a lot. Malta is both a very small legal jurisdiction and one that caters to a some very niche subjects. I can not tell you how frustrating it was trying to find a lawyer that was responsive. The facts of the case have proven to be mostly immaterial. Most lawyers made no initial response to my emails or did not handle libel cases or were on extended vacation or would suggest an online consultation and then permanently ghost me the moment I mentioned my primary computer had an external monitor with no camera and that I would prefer to converse by email. I had one lawyer exchange several emails, cite some initial fees (which I was willing to pay) and then just inexplicably disappear off the face of the earth communication wise except for one or two short, discombobulated responses. The lawyer I managed to get for the Cease & Desist had startlingly absent communication. Everything operated on the most plodding of time frames. In short, I have not been able to find a lawyer with any follow through and have gotten frustrated. I wanted to win not just for my own sake, but so as not to reinforce to Casinomeister that they can just dominate their users with impunity if they wanted to. I also wanted to submit some signed affidavits on the subject. Instead, I suspect Casinomeister now views me as something of a rando flailing about with empty threats. All the same, I have decided it would be more efficient to try again communicating with you, Casino Guru, in spite of it all with the intention of resuming the search for a lawyer only if absolutely necessary.
Bottom line, since I first concluded TIV was fabricating tournament scores in January of 2023, I have been trying to navigate the situation of getting my money from them for about 32 months now. You have no idea how frustrating it is to go over the same arguments in your head at great detail over and over again and to take such meticulous care in your presentation only to get negative results for all your efforts, all from minimally invested and minimally probing counterparties. I would not mind it if Casino Guru did not want to spend the time to properly evaluate the case. That would be understandable. In response to Michal, yes, I am very aware that your complaint handling is a free service. What bothers me is that he is making a verdict without mastering all of the content. In such a situation, he shouldn't be making a verdict at all. At least AskGamblers had enough sense to extricate themselves from a situation they didn't want to deal with by redirecting me to an unspecified licensing board, even though they likely knew such a thing had no viable chance of accomplishing anything. TIV kicked up a lot of dust. I have had to deal with vague aspersions where I am forced to guess where they are coming from. Michal should expect some long responses, especially given the amount of money involved.
My biggest regret handling the situation is that I mentioned nothing of fabricated tournament scores in the handling of my initial complaint here at Casino Guru (other than the eventual mention of a "B" section which I had not started). My reason for this was simple. Even if I could convince Casino Guru TIV was fabricating tournament scores, that is not the thing TIV's reputation could ever come back from. Thus, knowing they were the kind of casino that would do such a thing to begin with, it would make more sense for them just to stiff me if such an accusation ever stuck because there would be little marginal damage to their reputation for doing so. Instead, I felt it would make more sense just to complain that they had stopped making payments because such a thing could resume without notice. I didn't think I could lose that complaint. In retrospect, I should have made private communications in advance with an emphasis on discretion to get my arguments across so that Michal would understand everything afterwards in proper context. What I got instead was a complaint specialist who was suspicious when I did present my case on the subject and who chose to ignore it. Officially his position was "Despite his detailed account and readiness to provide documentation, we had to close the complaint due to it being a resubmission of a previously rejected issue, as our system did not allow multiple complaints for the same case." I am not here to attack the integrity of your site, but it needs to be said that this explanation is nonsense. Further, Michal has gotten his conclusion wrong on my first complaint.
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Dalje, Mihal je pogrešno zaključio u vezi sa mojom prvom žalbom. Sumnjam da mu je TIV pokazao jednu ili dve stvari (stvari za koje sam siguran da bih mogao da objasnim da mi se pruži prilika) i on se zatvorio u sebe. Optužio me je za klevetu i nije precizirao šta je ta kleveta.
Ako TIV zaista veruje da ih klevetam, moj odgovor je da bi trebalo da podnesu tužbu za klevetu protiv mene. Iskreno, pozdravio bih to. Izgubili bi i to bi potvrdilo moj stav. Čvrsto verujem u to.
Further, Michal has gotten his conclusion wrong on my first complaint. I suspect TIV has showed him one or two things (things I am confident I could explain were I afforded an opportunity) and he has closed himself off. He has accused me of slander and hasn't specified what that slander is.
If TIV actually believes I am slandering them, my response is that they should file libel charges against me. Frankly, I would welcome it. They would lose and it would validate my position. I firmly believe that.
Zdravo, koliko razumem, ovo se odnosi na žalbu staru godinu dana. Verujem da bi bilo korisno da je uključite ovde kako bi svi mogli da pročitaju i vaše objave i žalbu.
https://casino.guru/complaints/paradise-8-casino-plaier-s-account-vas-frozen-and
Kraj:
„Dragi mcd6802,"
Pre svega, ponovo ste odgovorili prilično opširnim tekstom u kojem ste se „dotakli" više tačaka. Nakon što ste ga pročitali i „uklonili" sva svoja lična osećanja i pretpostavke, suština je (koliko ja dobro razumem) da ste nastavili da se žalite na svoj slučaj „Ovo je Vegas" na raznim forumima i veb stranicama, i kada je tim kazina imao dosta toga i upozorio vas da ako ne prestanete da „klevetate" i „lažno ih optužujete", nastaviće i angažovaće se koristeći klauzulu 11.10, kao što su vas jasno obavestili.
Naše strpljenje je na kraju i sada zahtevamo od korisnika da odmah ukloni apsolutno sve objave koje sadrže neosnovane sumnje i „slutnje" koje narušavaju naš ugled neosnovanim tvrdnjama. Nepoštovanje će rezultirati eskalacijom ovog pitanja u skladu sa klauzulom 11.10 naših uslova i odredbi, koja se odnosi na zloupotrebu naloga. Potencijalne posledice uključuju zatvaranje naloga, konfiskaciju dobitaka i uskraćivanje usluga.
Cenimo vašu pažnju posvećenu ovom pitanju.
Srdačan pozdrav
A sada ste podneli još jednu žalbu da je tim kazina zamrznuo 31.608 dolara i da ne obrađuje dalja isplate? Pitam se, zašto ste iznenađeni?
Proverio sam (priznajem da nisam pročitao sve komentare i objave jer ih ima mnogo) forume i veb stranice na kojima ste delili linkove i u osnovi niko nije stao na vašu stranu, što me ponovo navodi da se zapitam gde bi zapravo mogao biti problem.
Neću komentarisati poslednji deo tvog prethodnog posta jer mislim da se ne isplati. I dalje ćeš videti samo svoju poentu bez obzira na objašnjenje.
Jedna stvar koju ću istaći je da ste slobodno došli na naš forum za žalbe i podneli svoju žalbu.
Mi u Casino Guru-u pokušavamo da pomognemo igračima rešavanjem problema između igrača i kazina, ako je moguće, i ovu uslugu nudimo besplatno. Casino.guru je nezavisan izvor informacija o onlajn kazinima, onlajn kazino igrama i deluje kao posrednik u rešavanju sporova igrača koji nije pod kontrolom nijednog operatera kockanja.
Dakle, iako smo pokušavali da vam pomognemo, našu odluku da odbijemo vašu žalbu doneli smo nakon što smo prikupili informacije od obe strane i pružili dovoljno objašnjenja za našu odluku.
Za sve zainteresovane da saznaju više, evo prve žalbe: https://casinoguru-en.com/this-is-vegas-casino-player-faces-lengthy-delay-in
Uzimajući sve ovo u obzir, mogu da priznam da trenutna akcija kazina možda nije idealan pristup i naš savet kazinima je da koriste ovakva pravila u krajnjoj liniji, ali s obzirom na okolnosti koje su dovele do ove odluke, mogu da saosećam sa timom kazina nakon što su ih vaše razne optužbe navele da ne nastave da isplaćuju preostala sredstva.
I da, koristiću primedbe na Casinomeister-a, jer su lepo sumirali vaš način rada:
Da, pa, to izgleda kao obrazac sa tvojim objavama: kažeš nešto što nije istina -- obično tvrdeći da si žrtva nečega -- a kada te isprave sa potkrepljujućim dokazima, kažeš „Nisam pokušavao da impliciram bla bla bla".
Pretpostavljam da bi, ako biste izbegli pristup „teško je bilo" i približili se istini u početku, takvi „nesporazumi" bili mnogo ređi. Takođe, vaše vreme ovde bi bilo mnogo manje ispunjeno tenzijama koje neizbežno proizilaze iz toga što moramo stalno da pratimo vaše objave kako bismo suprotstavili vašim lažnim tvrdnjama i sebičnim iskrivljavanjima činjenica.
Kada smo odbili vaš prethodni slučaj koji se tiče kazina This is Vegas, kazino je posedovao važeću licencu Kurasao/Antila. Međutim, izgleda da se ova situacija promenila. Prema našoj istrazi, ni This is Vegas ni Paradise 8 Casino trenutno nemaju važeću licencu. Shodno tome, ne postoji nadležni organ za igre na sreću kome možete dalje podneti svoju žalbu. Međutim, čak i da jeste, važno je napomenuti da ne možemo osporiti činjenicu da se kazino samo pridržavao svojih utvrđenih pravila.
Nažalost, nakon prikupljanja svih potrebnih informacija, primorani smo da odbijemo ovu žalbu. Žao nam je što nismo bili u mogućnosti da vam pomognemo sa ovom žalbom, ali molimo vas da nas kontaktirate u budućnosti ako naiđete na bilo koje druge probleme (koji nisu povezani sa ovim ili vašim prethodnim slučajem) sa ovim ili bilo kojim drugim kazinom i mi ćemo se potruditi da vam pomognemo.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Mihal
Kazino guru"
Mislim da nije potrebno da ovome dodajem svoje mišljenje.
Hello, I understand that this is regarding a complaint that is one year old. I believe it would be beneficial to include it here so that everyone can read both your posts and the complaint.
https://casino.guru/complaints/paradise-8-casino-player-s-account-was-frozen-and
The ending:
"Dear mcd6802,
First of all, you once again responded with quite extensive text where you "touched" multiple points. After reading it through and "removing" all your personal feelings and assumptions the bottom line is (As far as I understand it correctly) you have continued to complain about your This Is Vegas case on various forums and webpages and once the casino team has enough and warned you that if you do not stop "slander" and "falsely accuse them" they will go ahead and engage using clause 11.10 as they have clearly informed you about.
Our patience has worn thin, and we now request that the customer promptly remove absolutely all posts containing unfounded suspicions and "hunches" that are tarnishing our reputation with baseless claims. Failure to comply will result in the escalation of this matter in accordance with Clause 11.10 of our terms and conditions, addressing the misuse of accounts. Potential consequences include account termination, winnings confiscation, and denial of services.
We appreciate your attention to this matter.
Best regards
And now you have submitted yet another complaint that the casino team has frozen off the $31,608 and is not processing further withdrawals? I wonder, why are you surprised?
I have checked ( I confess I have not read all the comments and posts as there are many) the forums and webpages you have shared the links and basically no one has sided with you, which makes me wonder again where the issue might really be.
I will not comment on the last part of your previous post as I don't think it is worth it. You will still see only your point no matter the explanation.
One thing I will point out is that you have freely come to our complaint forum and you have submitted your complaint.
We at Casino Guru are trying to help players by resolving issues between the players and the casinos if possible, and we are offering this service free of charge. Casino.guru is an independent source of information about online casinos, online casino games and acts as a mediator in resolving players’ disputes that is not controlled by any gambling operator.
So although we were trying to help you, our decision to reject your complaint was after gathering the information from both sides and we have provided sufficient explanation for our decision
For anyone interested to know more here is the first complaint: https://casinoguru-en.com/this-is-vegas-casino-player-faces-lengthy-delay-in
With all this being said, I can acknowledge that the casino's current action may not be the ideal approach, and our advice to casinos is to use rules like this in really last resort options, but given the circumstances leading to this decision, I can empathize with the casino team after your various accusations triggered them not to continue to pay the remaining funds.
And yes, I will use the Casinomeister's head of complaints point as they have nicely summed up what appears to be your modus operandi:
Yes, well, that appears to be a pattern with your posts: you say something that isn't true -- usually claiming to be the victim of one thing or another -- and when you are corrected with supporting evidence you say "I was not trying to imply blaa blaa blaa".
I suggest that if you avoided the hard-done-by approach and sailed a little closer to the truth in the first place such "misunderstandings" would be a lot less frequent. Also, your time here would be a lot less fraught with the tensions that inevitably result from us having to constantly monitor your posts to counter your false claims and self-serving distortions of the facts.
When we declined your previous case involving This is Vegas Casino, the casino possessed a valid Curaçao/Antillephone license. However, it appears that this situation has changed. According to our investigation, neither This is Vegas nor Paradise 8 Casino currently hold a valid license. Consequently, there is no gaming authority to which you can escalate your complaint further. However, even if you did, it's important to note that we cannot dispute the fact that the casino was merely adhering to its established rules.
Unfortunately, after gathering all the necessary information we are forced to reject this complaint. Sorry we were not able to help you with this one, but please, do not hesitate to contact us in the future, if you run into any other (not related to this or your previous case) issues with this or any other casino and we will try our best to help.
Best Regards,
Michal
Casino Guru"
I believe it is not necessary to add my own opinion to this.
Možete li potvrditi koliko ste lično pročitali? Dobro sam upoznat sa Mihalovim komentarima i već sam pružio opsežan kontraargument onome što je ovde napisao. Ako bih se potrudio da sve detaljno razložim kao odgovor na njegove tvrdnje iz ovog odlomka, da li biste tome posvetili pažnju? Mihal je izuzetak u svemu ovome. On je jedini koji podržava TIV.
Can you confirm how much you personally have read? I am well aware of Michal comments and have already provided extensive counterpoint to what he wrote here. If I bothered to frame everything point by point in response to his assertions from this passage, would you give it consideration? Michal is the outlier in all of this. He is the only one backing TIV.
„Verujem da nije potrebno da ovome dodajem svoje mišljenje."
"I believe it is not necessary to add my own opinion to this."
Da, svestan sam da ste to rekli. Preklinjem vas kao molilac koji je potpuno preklonjen. Gotovo odmah sam priznao Mihalove presude u svojoj najnovijoj objavi. Objavio sam sa očekivanjem da ćete biti svesni šta je Mihalovo presudilo kao početnu tačku za dijalog, a ne kao njegov kraj. Pozivate se na poslovični autoritet koji bi trebalo da zna. Ne verujem da bi to bilo prikladno ovde jer je Mihalovo mišljenje manjine među drugim autoritetima koji su pregledali temu, iako najznačajnije. Razumem održavanje solidarnosti unutar osoblja vašeg sajta i predstavljanje jedinstvenog fronta. Razumem da možda imate motivaciju da ne istupite iz ranga. Međutim, molim vas da imate na umu ozbiljnost situacije. Ovo se proteže dalje od toga da li ja lično budem plaćen. Pokušajte da zapamtite da ako sam u pravu, ovaj kazino bi predstavljao ozbiljnu bezbednosnu opasnost za druge ljude. Zato se nadam da ćete se sami učitati da vidite do kakvih zaključaka biste došli nezavisno. Verujem da bi takav način razmišljanja ojačao Casino.guru kao robustan sajt. Potrošio sam mnogo vremena da složim svoj slučaj, a potrebno je mnogo manje vremena za čitanje nego za pisanje.
Yes, I am aware you said that. I am beseeching you as a supplicant bent fully at the knee. I acknowledged Michal's rulings almost immediately in my most recent posting. I posted with an expectation that you would be aware of what Michal ruled as a starting point for a dialogue, not the end of it. You are deferring to the proverbial authority that is supposed to know. I do not believe that would appropriate here because Michal's is the minority opinion among other authorities who have reviewed the subject, albeit the most consequential. I do understand maintaining solidarity within the personnel of your site and presenting a unified front. I understand you may have a motivation not to step out of rank. However, please keep in mind the gravity of the situation. This extends beyond whether I personally get paid. Try to remember that if I am correct, this casino would present a serious safety hazard to other people. That is why I am hoping you will read yourself in to see what conclusions you would reach independently. I believe that sort of mindset would reinforce Casino.guru as a robust site. I spent a lot of time to put my case together, and it takes a lot less time to read than to write.
Žao mi je, ali moram da razjasnim da nisam ovde da bih revidirao postupak žalbe ili ishode; stoga, tu smo samo ja i vi i naša mišljenja o tome. Nemam pojma šta ste mislili pod „Molim vas kao molilac potpuno preklonjen". I iskreno, ne verujem da to sadrži bilo kakve značajne informacije koje bi ikada mogle da promene tako staru žalbu.
Žao mi je što si nezadovoljan/na. Budi mi dobro.
I'm sorry but I have to make clear that I'm not here to revise the complaint process or outcomes; hence, there is just me and you and our opinions on that. I have no idea what you meant by "I am beseeching you as a supplicant bent fully at the knee." And honestly, I do not believe it carves any significant information that could ever change such an old complaint.
I'm sorry you feel dissatisfied. Stay well.
Iz tvog odgovora, zaključiću da si pročitao vrlo malo od preko 15.000 karaktera koje sam napisao pre nedelju dana. Ima mnogo relevantnih informacija tamo i u sadržaju na koji se poziva, a koje Mihal nije uzeo u obzir. Ovo je kontinuirana situacija tokom protekle godine. Kada sam rekao „Molim te kao molilac potpuno preklonjen", jednostavno sam te molio da se pravilno pročitaš kako bi doneo sopstvene zaključke.
Da budem iskren, postoje ljudi koji bi tvoje predstavljanje stvari protumačili kao zaobilazni način da udvostručiš Mihalove klevete, dok pokušavaš da se pozicioniraš kao neutralna strana. Uključio si samo Mihalove napade. Nisi pomenuo da mi nije data prilika da odgovorim. Nisi pomenuo, po sopstvenom priznanju, da Mihal nije pročitao mnogo sadržaja. Nisi uključio ništa drugo iz dijaloga te žalbe ili prethodne dve žalbe. Nisi bio otvoren za neizbežnu žalbu koja je trebalo da bude podneta. Ne mogu da poverujem da si nemoćan da deluješ čak i ako bi hteo. Teško mi je da poverujem da osoblje Kazino Gurua ne razgovara međusobno van službenog razgovora.
Ponovo, molim vas za malo vašeg vremena. Ne mogu dovoljno da opišem kroz šta sam prošao/prošla.
From your response, I am going to conclude that you read very little of the 15,000+ characters I wrote a week ago. There is a lot of relevant information there and in the content that it references that was not considered by Michal. This has been an ongoing situation over the past year. When I said "I am beseeching you as a supplicant bent fully at the knee" I was simply imploring you to read yourself in properly to make your own conclusions.
To be frank, there are people who would read your framing of things as a roundabout way of doubling down on Michal's aspersions while trying to position yourself as a neutral party. You included only Michal's attacks. You did not mention I was not given a chance to respond. You did not mention, by his own admission, Michal did not read a lot of the content. You included nothing else from the dialogue of that complaint or the previous two complaints. You have not been open to the inevitable appeal that was going to be made. I am incapable of believing you are powerless to act if you wanted to. I am hard pressed to believe that Casino Guru staff don't talk to each other off the record.
Again, I am asking for a bit of your time. I can't overstate what I have been through.
Još jednom: nisam u poziciji da istražujem odluke svojih kolega u vezi sa postupkom žalbe. Molim vas da to poštujete. Sve vreme pokušavam da vam ovo objasnim. U pravu ste, nisam upoznat sa detaljima svih objava ili komunikacija i ne mogu dublje da idem u to jer vidim žalbu samo kao i vi, bez dodatnih dokumenata ili imejlova. Stoga vam ne mogu više pomoći.
Odluka je doneta i ne može se promeniti. Iskreno, čak i bez čitanja svake objave, tvoje ponašanje i kontradikcije su mi jasne kao i Mihalove. Ne možemo te podržati ako deluješ protiv sopstvenih izjava. To je glavni deo problema. Pronalaženje pravednog rešenja ili utvrđivanje ko je gore postupio je, po mom mišljenju, bilo nemoguće. Da budem iskren, proces žalbe je za mene uglavnom bio šarada.
Nikada nisam razgovarao o ovom slučaju sa Mihalom.
Vaš slučaj je u potpunosti razmatran i sada je zatvoren. Ovaj forum nije namenjen za tekuće debate ili ponovljene žalbe u vezi sa ovom žalbom.
Hvala vam na razumevanju.
Once more: I am not in a position to investigate my colleagues’ decisions regarding the complaint process. Please respect that. I have been trying to explain this to you throughout. You are correct, I am not familiar with the details of all the posts or communications, and I cannot delve deeper because I only see the complaint as you do, without the additional files or emails. Therefore, I cannot be of any further help.
The decision has been made and cannot be changed. Honestly, even without reading every single post, your behavior and contradictions are as clear to me as Michal’s. We cannot support you if you act against your own statements. That is a major part of the issue. Finding a fair solution or determining who acted worse has, in my opinion, been impossible. To be frank, the complaint process has been largely a charade to me.
I have never discussed this case with Michal.
Your case has been given full consideration and is now closed. This forum is not for ongoing debates or repeated appeals regarding this complaint.
Thank you for your understanding.
Ako ste u iskušenju da ovo uopšte ne pročitate, onda ovu objavu posmatrajte kao završne reči...
Uz dužno poštovanje i sa uverenjem, nisam želeo da budemo u ratobornim odnosima, lako je davati izjave kada ste na poziciji moći gde ne morate da potkrepljujete te izjave. Uvek možete dublje da se upustite u to ako želite. Odluke se uvek mogu promeniti. Pronalaženje pravednog rešenja ili utvrđivanje ko je postupio „gore" je uvek moguće. Što se tiče mog „ponašanja" ili „protivrečnosti" ili toga da „delujem protiv sopstvenih izjava" ili da je proces žalbe „šarada", pretpostavljam da su sve ove izjave namerno nejasne. Mogao bih samo da pretpostavim na šta mislite i pretpostaviću da su ovi komentari utemeljeni u tome što TIV-ove ili Mihalove napade shvatate kao nešto blisko jevanđeljskoj istini.
Slažem se sa vama da dalji razgovor sa vama na ovu temu verovatno neće biti produktivan. Od početka niste bili otvoreni za ono što sam rekao. Dali ste nekoliko komentara iz kojih mogu da zaključim da ne razumete osnovne komponente mojih žalbi. U velikoj meri ste dodali svoje mišljenje o tom pitanju. Ipak, svakako razumem vaš stav da ne želite da obavite posao koji bi bio potreban. Oprostite mi ako mi se čini da je to bila vodeća snaga za vaš odgovor i/ili da imate predispoziciju da se svrstate na stranu specijaliste za žalbe Casino Guru-a. Oprostite mi ako ne verujem da je postojala ravnoteža specifičnosti između dve strane.
Zvanično ću ponovo otvoriti svoju žalbu kako bih napravio odgovarajuće izmene i dao očigledne odgovore koje bih dao da nisam odlučio da prvo sarađujem sa Kazinomajsterom. Pretpostavljam da ću ponovo dobiti Mihala i/ili da će se na tu žalbu primeniti predispozicija, bez obzira na njenu osnovanost. Mihal je bio veoma otvoren da kaže da će se sve buduće žalbe rešavati sa predrasudama.
U mojoj pravnoj akciji protiv Kazinomajstera po ovom pitanju, Kazinomajster je bio upoznat sa svim Mihalovim komentarima na koje ste se pozvali. Mogu vas uveriti da su odlučili da ih ne pominju. Što se vas tiče, kontradiktorna procena Kazinomajstera je ostala nepomenuta. Iskreno, čak i da dobijem povlačenje pod punom pravnom kontrolom, ovaj sajt mi ostavlja utisak da tako nešto ovde ionako ne bi imalo nikakvu težinu (komentar o tome bi bio dobrodošao).
Zvanično ću reći da u mojih 19 godina kao profesionalnog kockara sa punim radnim vremenom, po mom mišljenju, TIV / Paradise8 predstavlja najpodmuklu kazino grupu sa kojom sam ikada imao posla, i da prikupljam podatke iz veoma velikog uzorka.
Uzgred, za sajt poput Paradise 8, koji je jedan od četiri u suštini identična skina, mislim da bi bilo prikladno pokušati pronaći način da se objedine sve veze između njih.
If you are tempted not to read this at all, then view this post as closing statements....
With all due respect and with assurance I did not want us to be on combative terms, it is easy to make declarations when you are in a position of power where you don't need to substantiate those declarations. You could always delve deeper if you wanted. Decisions can always be changed. Finding a fair solution or determining who has acted "worse" is always possible. As far as my "behavior" or "contradictions" or that "I act against my own statements" or that the complaint process is a "charade", I assume these statements are all vague on purpose. I could only guess what you are referring to, and I am going to make an educated guess that these comments are rooted in you taking TIV's or Michal's attacks as something close to gospel truth.
I agree with you that talking further with you on this subject is not likely to be productive. From the beginning, you have not been open to what I have said. You have made several comments from which I can infer you do not understand basic components of my complaints. You have very much added your opinion on the matter. Still, I do certainly understand your position of not wanting to do the work that would be required. Forgive me if it looks to me like that has been a guiding force to your response and/or that you have a predisposed tendency to side with a Casino Guru complaints specialist. Forgive me if I do not believe there has been a balance of specificity between the two sides.
I will be formally reopening my complaint to make the appropriate updates and to make the obvious responses I would have made had I not decided to deal with Casinomeister first. I am going to make an educated guess I will get Michal again and/or that there will be a predisposed mindset applied to that complaint regardless of merit. Michal was very unsubtle that any future appeals would be handled with prejudice.
In my legal action against Casinomeister on the matter, Casinomeister was aware of all of Michal's comments that you invoked. I can assure you that they chose not to reference them. For your part, Casinomeister's contradictory assessment has remained unmentioned. Frankly, even if I won a retraction under full legal scrutiny, this site is very much giving me the impression such a thing wouldn't carry any weight here anyhow (a comment on that would be appreciated).
I will go on the record that in my 19 years as a full-time professional gambler, in my opinion, TIV / Paradise8 represents the most insidious casino group I have ever dealt with, and that I am pooling from a very large sample size.
On a side note, for a site like Paradise 8 which is one of four essentially identical skins, I think it might be appropriate to try to find a way to consolidate any threads between them.
Hvala vam na vašoj poslednjoj objavi! Ona savršeno ilustruje zašto je žalba uopšte odbijena. Što više pišete, to je jasnije da se ovde ne radi o činjenicama već o beskrajnoj raspravi. Neću se dalje upuštati. Nakon 19 godina kao „profesionalni kockar sa punim radnim vremenom", čini se da najveći ožiljci nastaju od toga što nikada nisam mogao da prihvatim odluku.
Nemam pojma kako je Kazinomajster umešan u slučaj Kazino Gurua, i na osnovu celog ovog razgovora, nije me briga. Sve pretvarate u emotivni spor obavijen odbacivanjem. Ovo potpuno potkopava svaki teoretski verovatan argument koji biste mogli imati.
Ostani dobro.
Thank you for your latest post! It perfectly illustrates why the complaint was rejected in the first place. The more you write, the clearer it becomes that this is not about facts but about endless debating. I won’t be engaging further. After 19 years as a 'full-time professional gambler' it seems the biggest scars come from never being able to accept a decision.
I have no idea how Casinomeister is involved in the Casino Guru case, and based on this whole conversation, I do not care. You are twisting everything into an emotional dispute wrapped in rejection. This completely undermines any theoretically plausible argument you might have.
Stay well.
Za nekoga ko citira Kazinomajstera u vašem uvodnom postu, a s obzirom da su pomenuti nekoliko puta, ne bih tako brzo objavio da ne znate kako su oni umešani. Barem smo postigli obostrani dogovor da završimo ovaj razgovor.
For someone quoting Casinomeister in your opening post and given they have been mentioned several times, I wouldn't have been so quick to advertise you don't know how they are involved. At least we have reached a mutual agreement to end this conversation.
U redu, ostaviću to tako.
Samo upozorenje za sve koji čitaju: bezbednosni rezultat ovog kazina je nizak, tako da je verovatno pametno kloniti se dok ne reše stvari. Ne shvatite ovaj razgovor kao znak da je tamo sve u redu. Nije:
https://casino.guru/paradise-8-casino-reviev#tab=js-tab-detail-homepage
Izvinjavam se, smatrao sam da bi bilo razumno dodati ovu napomenu.
Hvala vam i budite mi zdravi!
Alright, I’ll leave it at that.
Just a heads-up for anyone reading: this casino’s safety score is low, so it’s probably smart to steer clear until they sort things out. Don’t take this conversation as a sign everything’s fine there. It is not:
https://casino.guru/paradise-8-casino-review#tab=js-tab-detail-homepage
Sorry, I felt it would be reasonable to add this note.
Thank you and be well!
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