Pitanje o veb-sajtovima za kockanje sa licencom Curacao koji koriste netačan kod kategorije trgovca (strana 369)

100% is, same statements same country etc.

YEP INDEEDY🤫🤔

Yeah i read a message and a half and immediately thought it was them, pretty sure they got banned before for rubbing multiple people the wrong way. Seemed to have no interest in helping people or being productive.

Too early to tell, we will have to wait and see how it plays out still very early days .

Not sure hun, haven't heard or read anything but i may have missed something .

Now that’s quite a statement.

I don't mean you any harm, I just ask a lot of questions. I also want to tell you that there are always two sides to a coin and you always have to look at things from two perspectives.

You have tunnel vision that only looks straight ahead; everything else is blocked out, and this can be dangerous.

In Germany, it is currently the case that players who have received money have to pay it back to the casino. The casino has sued the player!

Things can quickly go the other way.

Useful:

The legal situation is usually the same or there are slight differences. In addition to the Civil Code, there is usually also a Payment Service Provider Act that is mandatory for banks. Banks may reject a chargeback because of the latter because the bank has fulfilled its obligation.

Ask about the legal basis for the rejection and mention that bank internal guidelines are not accepted as an answer

Terms and Conditions of the Casinos:

Not valid because no legal transaction has taken place, there are no terms and conditions for illegal services regardless of whether the terms and conditions have been agreed to or not, simply not valid because the law takes precedence. However, the casinos don't give a shit about the law

Chargeback of bank transfers:

Not possible. Only possible with the consent of the recipient, costs of €10-15.00 per transaction. So if you have 100 transactions, you will probably end up losing €1000.00 if the merchant says no.

Payment blockages:

Continuously report to the FCA with the addition of evidence. This allows banks to block payment services, applies to card and transfer

Blocking tools:

Install Gamban, so you can no longer access a casino website

online banking:

Cancel temporarily, only use the card to withdraw money from ATMs. Or entrust your online banking to a friend who knows about your addiction. So that you are never tempted again

Das ist doch mal eine Aussage.

Ich möchte Euch nichts böses, ich Hinterfrage nur sehr viel. Ebenfalls möchte ich Euch damit sagen, dass die Münze immer zwei Seiten hat, und man die Sachen immer von zwei Seiten betrachten muss.

Ihr habt einen Tunnelblick, der nur Starr geradeausgeht alles andere wird ausgeblendet, und dies kann gefährlich werden.

In Deutschland ist es derzeit sogar so, dass Spieler die Geld ausgezahlt bekommen haben, es an die Casinos zurückzahlen müssen. Da hat das Casino den Spieler verklagt!

Es kann sich alles schnell in die andere Richtung entwickeln.

Nützliches:

Die Rechtslage ist in der Regel meist gleich bzw. es gibt leichte Abweichungen. Neben den Bürgelichen Gesetzbuch gibt es meist noch ein Zahlungsdienstleistergesetz das ist für Banken verpflichtet. Eventuell lehnen die Banken wegen dem zweitgenannten ein Chargeback ab weil, die Bank ihre Pflicht erfüllt hat.

Fragt mal nach der gesetzlichen Grundlage für die Ablehnung, und erwähnt, dass Bankinterne Richtlinien nicht als Antwort akzeptiert werden

AGB der Casinos:

Nicht gültig weil kein legales Rechtsgeschäft erfolgt ist, für illegale Dienstleistungen gibt es keine AGB egal ob den AGB zugestimmt wurde oder nicht, einfach nicht gütlig weil Gesetz Vorrang hat. Jedoch scheißen die Kasinos auf das Gesetz

Chargeback von Banküberweisungen:

Nicht möglich. Nur durch die Zustimmung des Empfängers möglich, kosten von 10-15,00€ fallen an pro Transaktion. Wenn Ihr Also 100 Transaktionen habt, seid Ihr am Ende vermutlich 1000,00€ los wenn der Händler nein sagt.

Zahlungsblockaden:

Kontinuierlich der FCA melden mit der Zugabe von Beweisen. So können Banken die Zahlungsdienste Blockieren, gilt für Karte und Überweisung

Blockingtools:

Gamban installieren, somit könnt Ihr keine Casinowebseite mehr aufrufen

Onlinebanking:

Vorrübergehend kündigen, nur mit der Karte am Automaten Geldabheben. Oder das Online-Banking einen Bekannten anvertrauen, der von der Sucht weiß. SO dass Ihr niemals mehr in versuchung kommt

Have you any evidence for that example cause I thing it's big lie.. the illegal casino sued the player I'd love to see the evidence

The way I see it it's the internet and given the amount of casinos there are on it you have to know something is up. If you have deposited a lot of money, gambled it and lost that's tough luck that's what your paying for, you know the risks. If you choose to open an account with a casino that's not licensed in your country with their laws that can be enforced by them with fines and closures because you GameStopped your self. Then you come on here and see a discussion stating incorrect merchant codes and you all think you should get your money back.

I'm GameStop 5yrs and new the risks I could see my deposit transactions going to Nigeria Russia and other places but carried on. I lost a lot of money mostly because I think the. slot providers are corrupt using AI learn your betting pattern technology and the RTP going down the more you play so stopped, I don't even trust UK casinos as the reason I GameStop was because the process was always the same= win at first then it gets worse.

But good luck to you if you get your deposits back think again about gambling it away 😭

I did one charge back for £390 deposits at Ninewin, the reason being I won £2000 and the refused to pay because of clause 4.2 in their terms and conditions which makes any player illegal from the UK to play for real money. I was verified by them passport bank statement and phone number. I told revolut what had happened and they got my deposits back. A fair case for using charge back

https://www.derstandard.de/story/3000000233172/warum-vielen-gluecksgamern-nun- Klages-von-onlinekasinos-drohen-koennten

Was Austria not Germany, sorry. But the law in Austria is the same as in Germany

And on the subject of illegal gambling and reporting to the police (reporting to the police is done by all banks) you can search for yourself on Google.

Who is lying?

https://www.derstandard.de/story/3000000233172/warum-vielen-gluecksspielern-nun-klagen-von-onlinekasinos-drohen-koennten

War Österreich nicht Deutschland, sorry. Aber das Gesetz in Österreich ist das selbe wie in Deutschland

Und zum Thema illegales GLücksspiel und Strafanzeige der Polizei (Anzeige erfolgt bei der Polizei durch die Bank) kannst Du bei google selber suchen.

Wer Lügt?

I would like an answer to the following question:

When you register at a casino, you don't know that it is an illegal casino, do you? Or how do you find out?

Ich würde gerne eine Antwort auf folgende Frage haben:

Wenn Ihr Euch im Casino anmeldet, dann wisst Ihr doch noch gar nicht, dass es ein illegales Casino ist? Oder wie bekommt Ihr es heraus?

Good article but that 100% won’t happen in the UK we have the gambling act and not ruled by some tin pot dictatorship like the EU

First of all, the article you are referring to discusses a single case out of the thousands that occur. The casino in question requested a police report related to the winnings, which is an isolated incident. As far as I know, there has never been any case where a bank has asked for a police report in such a context. It's important to avoid generalizing such isolated incidents, as they don't represent the wider reality. We should refrain from spreading misconceptions or creating unnecessary panic

I could post 10-15 links here from another forum where players were reported by the bank for illegal gambling in Germany. The banks have filed criminal charges with the police for money laundering and illegal gambling. By the way, players have been reported by the banks for several years.

I am not stirring up unnecessary panic, I am telling the truth, just as well-known German lawyers are currently issuing increasing warnings not to comment on such criminal charges.

@ Moderators here in the forum: Can I post the links?

If that's ok, I'll post the links.

Ich könnte Dir hier 10-15 Links aus einem anderen Forum Posten, wo Spieler von der Bank angezeigt wurden, wegen illegalen Glücksspiel in Deutschland. Die Banken haben Strafanzeige bei der Polizei eingereicht wegen Geldwäsche und illegalen Glücksspiel. Es ist übrigens schon so seit mehreren Jahren, dass Spieler von den Banken angezeigt werden.

Ich schüre keine Unnötige Panik, ich sage die Wahrheit, ebenso geben die bekannten deutschen Anwälte derzeit vermehrt Warnungen heraus sich zu so einer Strafanzeige nicht selber zu äußern.

@ Moderatoren hier im Forum: Darf ich die Links posten?

Wenn das ok kommt, dann Poste ich die Links.

100% correct we don’t know the ins and outs of that case, could of hacked the site, cheated on games used stolen money to play etc. Who knows, I would be surprised to see multiple cases where this happens. In the UK they would have to go to the police and say we know as an unlicensed casinos we shouldn’t take money but please get it back for us. Bit like a drug dealer getting robbed would he report that to the police?

Again it is the company not the person who is responsible in the UK.

Casinos have caused significant harm, destroying countless lives due to gambling addiction. This issue affects individuals and families alike, leading to severe financial, emotional, and social consequences  gambling establishments are designed to exploit human vulnerabilities, using sophisticated psychological techniques to encourage excessive play  blaming solely the individual while ignoring the systemic exploitation by the industry is neither fair nor productive. Both the operators and the regulatory frameworks have a duty to mitigate harm and protect those who are most vulnerable.

You have freed yourselves from the dictatorship 😉

The criminal charges are based on local law. EU law does not really apply here 😉 I am only aware of the possible consequences of these posts 😉

Ihr habt Euch von der Diktatur befreit 😉

Die strafanzeigen basieren auf lokalen Recht. EU-Recht findet da nicht wirklich Anwendung 😉 Ich zeuge mich diesen Beitragen nur mögliche folgen auf 😉

In the UK I’m not saying they wouldn’t try but they would have to admit to breaking the law, as previously stated it’s the operators who are held to account/at fault here not the player. Now if the player was using stolen funds or cheating the actual game then that’s a different story but an unlicensed operator bypassing the system themselves are like my not get involved. The banks could investigate for fraud but again the "fraud" wouldn’t be against the bank so I very much doubt they would pursue/even be able to. I work in the financial industry and if the banks are not at a loss then the chances are they would claim civil matter between merchant and player.

Also this should allay any scaremongering going on for the UK based players.