Mislim da su vremena za povlačenje novca, kao i zahtevi za verifikaciju, smešno dugačka u poređenju sa depozitima koje mi uplaćujemo. Za uplatu sredstava, ne traže apsolutno ništa, samo da imate novac na računu. Možemo uplatiti novac koristeći komšijinu karticu bez ikakvih problema, ali zahtev za povlačenje je mučan. Većina ljudi odustaje od prijema sredstava zbog vremena čekanja. Šta mislimo o ovim momcima?
Hi, I think that in some cases, both of these processes are unnecessarily lengthy.
In any case, sometimes casinos do this on purpose, other times it is justified. If verification is performed, the player cannot withdraw money. It is then up to the casino when to start it and whether to request all documents at once or step by step.
When it comes to withdrawals, it mostly depends on the payment method, verification, whether the casino uses a third-party payment provider, or whether you are playing with a bonus, for example, and it is necessary to check the gameplay and so on.
However, it is always important to remember that you need to be patient. I have seen many players who can hardly wait even a day.
So what is a long wait for you?
Za mene, dugo čekanje znači da uplata traje samo 15 ili 20 sekundi, ali da bi bila prihvaćena, ili recimo odobrena, potrebno je najmanje 3 dana, pod pretpostavkom da su to radni dani. Ako se desi da pobedite u petak uveče, zamislite koliko dana ćete morati da čekate na svoj dobitak. To je neodrživo ni za jednog igrača; frustracija nadmašuje profit, posebno u mom slučaju, pošto sebe smatram zavisnikom od kockanja. Srećom, imam sredstva da igram kad god želim, ali sistem isplate me besi i smatram ga nepravednim. Da je do mene, zaustavio bih sve igrače u znak protesta protiv nepravde isplata.
Mislim da bi trebalo da odobre ili bar ukinu sistem otkazivanja u roku od najviše 24 sata; u suprotnom, veoma je lako da neko naiđe na tešku situaciju i odluči se za najlakšu opciju, a to je otkazivanje isplata. Danas je malo budala ostalo, a neki kazina automatski nude otkazivanje isplata čim vam se stanje smanji. To bih nazvao sumnjivom taktikom skoro svih, ako ne i svih, kazina.
It's probably not the best thing, but canceling withdrawals is also common in casinos. I'm not entirely sure if there are any casinos where this doesn't work. Maybe there are some where they send the money right away, so you don't even have time to cancel the withdrawal. But that's how it works today. If a player has the urge to keep playing and cancel the withdrawal, then I would also look for a problem in the fact that, as you mentioned, they may be addicted and should therefore seek help and stop playing at casinos. Because one time it may be a canceled withdrawal, another time it may be something else that players who are in a similar situation will find.
Casinos are also at fault, that's for sure, but the fact that you get your deposit right away is often because the casino may not actually have your funds in their account yet, but basically we can say that they "lend" them to the player with the understanding that they will receive the deposit later. That's why players can play so quickly. If you deposit somewhere, you probably don't want to wait 5 days for your money to arrive. I understand that players don't want to wait long for withdrawals, but this is often conditional. Fair and honest casinos pay out as quickly as they can once they have verified the player. However, this depends on several factors, as I have described, so it is not always the simplest thing.
Šta je jednostavno u ovom životu? Naravno, jednostavno je biti plaćen i, ako je moguće, ne platiti. Tako se čovek bogati, a siromašni postaju siromašniji. Razmislite o tome i doći ćete do istog zaključka.
Nakon vašeg odgovora, pitam se da li zaista verujete da bi zdrava osoba bez zavisnosti od kockanja rizikovala svoj novac u kazinima koje ne poznaje, kazinima sa licencom u zemljama sa nejasnim zakonima ili koja su poreski rajevi? Ili verujete da 95% ljudi ovde ima neku vrstu problema sa kockanjem? Bilo da to priznaju ili ne, siguran sam da imaju; jedina razlika je što ja to priznajem. Možete li mi reći svoje iskreno mišljenje?
Hello, I hope you don't mind me joining in because I have been asking myself similar questions, and we have talked about that many times in the past with our Head of Safer Gambling Team, Šimon.
In my opinion the official numbers are very far from the reality. Playing in casinos makes literally no sense logically or economically. I now view gambling more as a "way of living" than a mere pastime.
In my opinion, far too many players are pretending to be fine, knowingly or unknowingly, and continue to view gambling as a fun pastime. I see it as an escape, a fleeting sense of freedom of choice.
In any case, what I have been witnessing for the last few years is a changed mindset of the problem gamblers. It is not uncommon that an addicted player is very ready to repeat that he is addicted but considers the whole world responsible for his state, accusing casinos of almost anything believable and seeking ways to refund money, because that means if I can get the money lost back, then things are ok, and no harm is done.
This is a toxic yet very popular mindset, if you ask me. When I started this job, I often encountered devastated people who were aware of their conditions and desperately sought relief and support. Nowadays it is about using the problem as a shield to avoid personal responsibility towards ourselves.
I'm not judging; this opinion was also shared with me by our external support worker, who has struggled with addiction for many years.
From my perspective, if I have to ask the casino for self-exclusion due to gambling addiction, I should consider myself a gambler and accept the fact that any other choice to deposit in a casino is mine. I should be honest and clear with myself. That, however, does not work when gambling serves as an escape or compensation. I reckon. Looking around the forum every day still makes me think that the operators are covering the people's desire for playing.
Don't make me wrong here, please.
I've also met people who play on a regular basis with a set budget; they are aware that they are prone to binge gaming, and they do not consider gambling "fun." They are also very angry after losing or happy when the luck turns in their favor.
As long as you can manage, it is your call. Same with smoking, drugs, and alcohol, I'd say.
I think more casinos should allow players to lock withdrawals for players who feel they might go back and cancel it and keep playing/lose it all.
Naravno, trebalo bi bar da uklone opciju da ih otkažu kako bismo bili sigurni da ćemo na kraju biti plaćeni; u suprotnom, previše im je lako.
I think more casinos should allow players to lock withdrawals for players who feel they might go back and cancel it and keep playing/lose it all.
It would certainly be good, but I don't think it would be very profitable for the casino. Casinos are also a business and, of course, they should not focus on players who might have such problems.
On the other hand, you have to ask yourself if you have a problem waiting for your money, whether it might ultimately lead to something that could cause you issues in the future. If the answer is yes, then it's best to stop playing.
U komentaru se objašnjava da procesi verifikacije i povlačenja mogu biti dugotrajni i zavise od mnogih faktora. Generalno, poruka je korisna, ali neki igrači je mogu smatrati pomalo ponavljajućom i nejasnom gde počinje pravi problem.
I know what the post is about because I replied to it, but thank you for pointing it out.
Have you ever had similar problems?
It would certainly be good, but I don't think it would be very profitable for the casino. Casinos are also a business and, of course, they should not focus on players who might have such problems.
On the other hand, you have to ask yourself if you have a problem waiting for your money, whether it might ultimately lead to something that could cause you issues in the future. If the answer is yes, then it's best to stop playing.
The same casinos that are required to be on the lookout for problem gamblers etc meanwhile as you say are incentivized to design their site in such a way to take money from them in that situation. Kind of a double standard. Should players who frequently cancel withdrawals and lose those funds be considered higher risk and looked at? I would say so. I bet it does not happen in that scenario
Every casino has different rules. There are many casinos that take advantage of players in such situations, and that's not how it should be. Problem players should always be monitored if the casino has indications that could lead to this. On the other hand, I have also seen players abuse their addiction, so it is individual and complex.
Every casino has different rules. There are many casinos that take advantage of players in such situations, and that's not how it should be. Problem players should always be monitored if the casino has indications that could lead to this. On the other hand, I have also seen players abuse their addiction, so it is individual and complex.
Ako govorite u moje ime, dozvolite mi da objasnim da sam zahtevao samoisključenje, jasno i precizno navodeći da želim da zatvorim svoj nalog jer nisam mogao da kontrolišem igru. Bio sam legalno i formalno obavešten da je to urađeno, i na kraju, to je bila zloupotreba sa njihove strane da mi šalju reklame znajući šta sam im rekao dan ranije. Dakle, argument zloupotrebe se uopšte ne odnosi na moj slučaj. Da su mi zatvorili nalog kada sam to zahtevao, ovaj problem ne bi postojao.
I don't mean this in your case, but rather in general, as is usually the case in casinos, or rather, based on my experience with players.
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