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Međutim, moram reći da vaš poslednji odgovor zapravo ne odgovara na konkretne zabrinutosti koje sam izneo. On u suštini potvrđuje da vaš tim za borbu protiv prevara smatra da je aktivnost zloupotreba, ali ne objašnjava koje konkretno ponašanje predstavlja navodnu zloupotrebu .
Ovo je važno jer, na osnovu informacija koje ste mi pružili, još uvek ne vidim jasan primer ponašanja koje bi razumno predstavljalo zloupotrebu bonusa.
Kao što sam već objasnio, igrač je smanjio svoje uloge nakon značajne pobede, ali na osnovu vašeg opisa, razlika u veličini uloga je bila samo približno 1 dolar . Ne smatram da je tako relativno mala promena u veličini uloga sama po sebi dovoljna da pokaže zloupotrebu strategije.
Slično tome, činjenica da je igrač promenio igru nakon značajne dobitke ne deluje mi neobično. Kada igrate slotove, sasvim je normalno da igrač promeni igru nakon značajne dobitke, bilo zato što smatra da je već imao dobar rezultat iz te određene igre, zato što želi da isproba drugu igru ili jednostavno zato što želi da promeni svoj način igranja.
Stoga bih želeo da mi tačno objasnite šta je učinilo ovaj određeni niz radnji zloupotrebom , umesto da jednostavno potvrdite da ga je vaš tim za borbu protiv prevara klasifikovao kao takav.
Navodite da „razumete obrazloženje (mog) stava u ovom slučaju". Ako je tako, bio bih vam zahvalan ako biste mogli direktno da se osvrnete na obrazloženje i objasnite zašto bi konkretne radnje koje sam opisao ipak trebalo smatrati zloupotrebom bonusa.
Takođe postoji jedno važno pitanje u vezi sa članom 10.2 vaših Uslova:
„Bilo koja besplatna sredstva primljena od Kompanije (bonusi, komp poeni itd.) takođe ne mogu biti predmet zloupotrebe na bilo koji način."
Kao što sam već napomenuo, smatram ovu formulaciju izuzetno širokom. Ona ne govori igraču koje konkretno ponašanje predstavlja „zloupotrebu" ili koje vrste igre mogu dovesti do oduzimanja dobitaka.
Ako je ova odredba namenjena da obuhvati vrstu ponašanja navedenu u ovoj žalbi, želeo bih da objasnite gde je u vašim Uslovima i odredbama ovo ponašanje zapravo definisano ili opisano .
Takođe sam pregledao Odeljak 30.1.7 , jer sam smatrao da bi on mogao da sadrži precizniji opis zabranjenog ponašanja. Međutim, još uvek nisam uspeo da identifikujem konkretno pravilo koje jasno odgovara ponašanju igrača u ovom slučaju.
Ako smatrate da je Član 30.1.7 relevantna odredba, molimo vas da navedete konkretan deo tog člana za koji smatrate da je igrač prekršio i precizno objasnite kako igračeve radnje ispunjavaju tu odredbu.
Alternativno, ako postoji drugi odeljak vaših Uslova koji definiše šta podrazumevate pod „zloupotrebom bonusa", navedite relevantni odeljak i objasnite kako se on ovde primenjuje.
Takođe želim da napravim važnu razliku u vezi sa dobicima igrača.
Ako je igrač poštovao objavljene uslove bonusa, ostao u okviru važećih ograničenja klađenja, ispunio uslove za klađenje i potom osvojio značajan iznos, ne verujem da kazino može jednostavno okarakterisati uspešno korišćenje bonusa kao „zloupotrebu" nakon što se to dogodilo, a da pritom ne identifikuje konkretnu zabranjenu radnju.
Promena veličine uloga, promena igara ili prilagođavanje načina igre nakon značajnog dobitka može biti sasvim uobičajeno ponašanje. Ako Bons Casino smatra da je određeni oblik takvog ponašanja zabranjen kada su u pitanju bonus sredstva, onda verujem da to treba jasno definisati u Uslovima kako bi igrači mogli razumno da razumeju ograničenje pre korišćenja bonusa.
Stoga, u ovoj fazi još uvek nisam u stanju da identifikujem dovoljno jasnu vezu između stvarnog načina igranja igrača i određenog zabranjenog pravila.
Bons kazino, bio bih vam zahvalan na jednom konačnom, konkretnom pojašnjenju:
Molimo vas da navedete tačnu radnju ili niz radnji koje smatrate zloupotrebom bonusa, navedete konkretnu odredbu vaših Uslova korišćenja koja zabranjuje to ponašanje i objasnite koju je prednost igrač ostvario tim ponašanjem.
Ako je Član 10.2 jedini osnov za odluku, molimo vas da objasnite i kako smatrate da je veoma široka formulacija „zloupotreba na bilo koji način" dovoljno specifična da opravda oduzimanje dobitaka u okolnostima kada osnovno ponašanje nije drugačije jasno definisano u vašim Uslovima.
Ne tražim od vas da promenite svoju internu procenu za borbu protiv prevara. Molim vas da objasnite stvarni osnov za to kako bih mogao nezavisno da procenim da li je konfiskacija bila opravdana.
Na osnovu trenutno dostupnih informacija, i dalje verujem da bi dobitak igrača trebalo isplatiti, jer mi nisu predstavljeni dovoljni dokazi o stvarnoj zloupotrebi bonusa.
Radujem se vašem konkretnom pojašnjenju.
Hvala vam na saradnji.
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thank you, Bons Casino, for your response and for confirming that you have reviewed my assessment.
However, I have to say that your latest response does not really address the specific concerns I raised. It essentially confirms that your Anti-Fraud team considers the activity abusive, but it does not explain what specific behaviour constituted the alleged abuse.
This is important because, based on the information you have provided to me, I still do not see a clear example of conduct that would reasonably constitute bonus abuse.
As I explained previously, the player reduced their bets after a significant win, but based on your own description, the difference in the bet size was only approximately $1. I do not consider such a relatively minor change in bet size to be sufficient, by itself, to demonstrate an abusive strategy.
Similarly, the fact that the player changed games after a significant win does not appear unusual to me. When playing slots, it is quite normal for a player to change games after a substantial win, whether because they feel they have already had a good result from that particular game, because they want to try another game, or simply because they want to vary their gameplay.
Therefore, I would like you to explain specifically what made this particular sequence of actions abusive, rather than simply confirming that your Anti-Fraud team classified it as such.
You state that you "understand the reasoning behind (my) position in this case". If so, I would appreciate it if you could address the reasoning directly and explain why the particular actions I have described should nevertheless be considered bonus abuse.
There is also an important issue regarding Section 10.2 of your Terms:
"Any free funds received from the Company (bonuses, comp points, etc.) also cannot be a subject for abuse by any means."
As I mentioned previously, I consider this wording extremely broad. It does not tell the player what specific behaviour constitutes "abuse" or what types of gameplay can result in the confiscation of winnings.
If this provision is intended to cover the type of conduct alleged in this complaint, I would like you to explain where in your Terms and Conditions this conduct is actually defined or described.
I have also reviewed Section 30.1.7, as I considered that this might contain a more specific description of the prohibited behaviour. However, I have still not been able to identify a particular rule there that clearly corresponds to the player's conduct in this case.
If you consider Section 30.1.7 to be the relevant provision, please identify the specific part of that section that you believe the player breached and explain precisely how the player's actions satisfy that provision.
Alternatively, if there is another section of your Terms that defines what you mean by "bonus abuse", please provide the relevant section and explain how it applies here.
I also want to make an important distinction regarding the player's winnings.
If the player followed the published bonus conditions, stayed within the applicable betting limits, completed the wagering requirements and subsequently won a significant amount, I do not believe that the casino can simply characterise the successful use of the bonus as "abuse" after the fact without identifying a specific prohibited action.
A player changing their bet size, changing games, or adjusting their gameplay after a substantial win can be entirely ordinary behaviour. If Bons Casino considers a particular form of such behaviour to be prohibited when bonus funds are involved, then I believe this needs to be clearly defined in the Terms so that players can reasonably understand the restriction before using the bonus.
At this stage, therefore, I am still unable to identify a sufficiently clear connection between the player's actual gameplay and a specific prohibited rule.
Bons Casino, I would appreciate one final, specific clarification:
Please identify the exact action or sequence of actions that you consider to constitute bonus abuse, identify the specific provision of your Terms that prohibits that conduct, and explain what advantage the player obtained through that conduct.
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I am not asking you to change your internal Anti-Fraud assessment. I am asking you to explain the actual basis for it so that I can independently assess whether the confiscation was justified.
Based on the information currently available, I still believe the player's winnings should be paid out, as I have not been presented with sufficient evidence of actual bonus abuse.
I look forward to your specific clarification.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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