Ovo je verovatno najvažnija i najgnusnija laž koju si izgovorio u nastavku
Igrač je prethodno imao nalog kod Donbeta pod korisničkim imenom callum12345. Ovaj nalog nikada nije verifikovan, niti je završena verifikacija uživo ili video. Nalog je trajno zatvoren kada nas je igrač kontaktirao i otkrio svoj problem sa kockanjem. Nalog je zatvoren u skladu sa našim procedurama odgovornog kockanja bez mogućnosti ponovnog otvaranja.
Stoga su informacije koje su nam bile dostupne sa ovog naloga bile ograničene na informacije koje su stvarno date i zabeležene na tom nalogu. Nije postojala verifikacija uživo ili verifikovani zapis identiteta koji bi se kasnije mogao koristiti za verifikaciju ili biometrijsko podudaranje sa drugim nalogom.
To je potpuna laž i vi ste toga dobro svesni.
Ne samo da je nalog verifikovan, već sam 21. marta 2024. godine primio i telefonski poziv od Kajli iz Donbeta koja mi je ponudila sumu od 3000 funti, što je bilo nešto manje od 50% ukupnih gubitaka na računu.
Štaviše, pre nego što mi je bilo kakva uplata mogla biti poslata, morao sam da dostavim sledeća dokumenta.
Kopija mog pasoša
Prednja i zadnja strana bankovne kartice koja se koristi za sve uplate
Kopija mog izvoda iz banke.
Takođe bih želeo da istaknem da su prilikom otvaranja računa date sledeće informacije, čak i pre nego što sam uplatio depozit.
Moje puno ime, datum rođenja, broj telefona, uključujući pozivni broj zemlje, kućna adresa uključujući poštanski broj i imejl adresa.
SVE gore navedene detalje je potvrdio Donbet u martu 2024. Već su me obavestili da je protiv Propisa o sprečavanju pranja novca da obrađuju isplatu na moj bankovni račun bez dobijanja SVIH ovih dokumenata. Morali ste da proverite da li je moj bankovni račun onaj sa kog su depoziti došli. Ovaj bankovni izvod je sadržao moje puno ime i punu adresu.
Donbet je čak stavio moj broj pasoša na jedan od dokumenata koje su mi poslali, tako da nisam siguran odakle bi dobili te podatke da im nisam dostavio kompletnu kopiju svog pasoša. Očigledno je da je posedovanje kopije mog pasoša takođe značilo da mogu da potvrde moju adresu i datum rođenja iz njega.
Tvrditi da nisu imali dokumenta o mom prvom nalogu koja bi im omogućila da identifikuju drugi nalog je u najboljem slučaju nekompetentno, a u najgorem očigledna laž.
Svi ovi dokazi su prethodno dostavljeni.
Izgleda da sam bio u pravu u svom ranijem zapažanju kada sam rekao sledeće
„Izgleda, na osnovu svih dokaza, da je vaša namera, kada otkrijete duplikat naloga, da dozvolite mušteriji da nastavi da se kladi. Ako pobedi, obavestite ga da ste otkrili duplikat naloga, poništite dobitke i vratite depozite. Ako je, kao u ovom slučaju, duplikat naloga poznati zavisnik od kockanja i stoga će uvek gubiti, ne radite ništa i nastavljate da „muzete" zavisnika dok zatvarate oči. Na kraju krajeva, ovo je situacija u kojoj Donbet dobija. Vraćajte depozite samo od pobednika i zadržite depozite/ignorišite gubitke poznatih zavisnika."
Konačno, uprkos mnogim rečima od Donbeta, JOŠ UVEK nisi pravilno odgovorio na Martinovo pitanje od pre skoro dve nedelje.
„Stoga bih želeo da vas zamolim da nam privatno otkrijete koje mere zaštite postoje na vašoj veb stranici. Posebno, molimo vas da razjasnite koji se lični i tehnički identifikatori proveravaju tokom registracije, depozita i verifikacije; kako se identifikuju potencijalna podudaranja; i koje provere su idealno trebalo da budu sprovedene, ali nisu pokrenute u ovom konkretnom slučaju."
Koje mere zaštite imate, ako ih uopšte ima, da biste proverili da li je novi nalog povezan sa drugim nalogom? Da li imate dodatne provere protiv poznatih trajno isključenih naloga na imena poznatih zavisnika od kockanja?
Na kraju, samo da rezimiram ozbiljnost moje žalbe.
Ili
Vaši čekovi nisu postojali kada sam otvorio drugi nalog, posebno kada mi je Donbet trajno zatvorio prvi nalog zbog moje zavisnosti od kockanja.
Tvoje čekove su pokazale da sam otvorio drugi račun, ali si odlučio da ignorišeš svoje obaveze i da „muzeš" poznatog zavisnika od kockanja.
U svakom slučaju, vi ste odgovorni za svoje propuste u omogućavanju otvaranja drugog naloga i ako ste ozbiljni u vezi sa učešćem u ovom procesu rešavanja spora, onda bi trebalo odmah da mi vratite moje neto gubitke, bez daljeg odugovlačenja procesa.
This is probably the most important and damning lies you have said below
"The player previously had an account with Donbet under the username callum12345. This account was never verified, and no live or video verification was completed on this account. The account was permanently closed when the player contacted us and disclosed their gambling problem. The account was closed under our responsible-gambling procedures with no possibility of reopening.
Therefore, the information available to us from this account was limited to the information actually provided and recorded on that account. There was no live verification or verified identity record that could subsequently be used as a verification or biometric match against another account."
That is a complete lie and you are well aware of that.
Not only was the account verified but I also received a phone call from Kylie at Donbet on 21st March 2024 offering me the sum of £3000 which was just under 50% of the total losses on the account.
Furthermore before any payment could be sent to me I had to provide the following documents.
A copy of my passport
The front and back of the bank card used to make all of the deposits
A copy of my bank statement.
I would also like to point out that on account opening the following information was provided, before I had even made a deposit.
My full name, Date of Birth, Telephone number, including country code, Home Address including post code and email address.
ALL of the above details were confirmed by Donbet in March 2024. They had already informed me that it was against Anti Money Laundering Regulations for them to process a withdrawal to my Bank account without getting ALL of these documents. You needed to check that my bank account was where the deposits had come from. This bank statement included my full name and full address.
Donbet even put my passport number on one of the documents they sent me, so I'm not sure where they would have gotten those details from had I not supplied them with a full copy of my passport.. Clearly having a copy of my passport also meant they could confirm my address and date of birth from it.
To say they had no documents on my first account to allow them to identify the second account is at best incompetent and at worst a blatant lie.
All of this evidence has been previously supplied.
It would appear that I was correct in my earlier observation when I said the following
"It would appear , based on all evidence that your intention is when you discover a duplicate account is to let the customer continue to bet. If they win then you inform them that you have uncovered a duplicate account, void the winnings and return the deposits. If, as in this case the duplicate account is a known gambling addict and will therefore always lose you do nothing and keep "milking" the addict while turning a blind eye. Ultimately this is a win/win situation for Donbet. Only return the deposits from winners and keep the deposits/ignore the losses of known addicts."
Finally despite lots of words from Donbet you STILL have not properly answered Martins question from almost 2 weeks ago.
"I would therefore like to ask you, to disclose to us privately what safeguards are in place on your website. In particular, please clarify which personal and technical identifiers are checked during registration, depositing, and verification; how potential matches are identified; and which checks were ideally supposed to be but weren't triggered in this specific case."
What safeguards DO you have in place , if any to check if a new account is linked to another account? Do you have additional checks against known permanently excluded accounts in the names of known gambling addicts?
Finally just to summarise the seriousness of my complaint.
Either
Your checks were non existent when I opened my second account , especially when my first account was permanently closed by Donbet due to my gambling addiction
Your checks did pick up that I had opened a second account but you decided to ignore your responsibilities and "milk" a known gambling addict.
Either way you are responsible for your failures in allowing the second account to be opened and if you are serious about being part of this disputes process then you should immediately return my net losses without stalling the process any longer.
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