Dragi Bager , hvala ti što si mi poslao video, to je upravo ono što mi je bilo potrebno da uporedim sve dokaze koje sam dobio od tebe i predstavnika kazina. Ali prvo, želeo bih da se osvrnem na određene tačke iz tvoje prethodne poruke:
Na vašem portalu, kazino je ocenjen kao „iznad proseka" za bezbednost, ali je nakon upita kod nemačke agencije za kockanje klasifikovan kao ilegalan. Nema licencu.
Naš sistem ocenjivanja funkcioniše na bazi od 0 do 10, tako da je 6,9 zaista iznad proseka. Otvoreno izjavljujemo da kazino nema licencu, otvoreno pokazujemo koje od njihovih uslova smatramo nepravednim, a takođe navodimo i negativnu stranu ograničenih alata za odgovorno kockanje. Pošto je Nemačka dostupna zemlja pri registraciji i nije na listi zabranjenih zemalja, takođe obaveštavamo da kazino prihvata igrače iz Nemačke. Zatim, želeo bih da vas podsetim na fusnotu ispod svake naše recenzije:
- Casino.guru je nezavisan izvor informacija o onlajn kazinima i onlajn kazino igrama, koji ne kontroliše nijedan operater kockanja. Sve naše recenzije i vodiči su kreirani iskreno, prema najboljem znanju i proceni članova našeg nezavisnog stručnog tima ; međutim, namenjeni su samo u informativne svrhe i ne treba ih tumačiti kao pravni savet, niti se na njih oslanjati kao na takav. Uvek bi trebalo da se uverite da ispunjavate sve regulatorne zahteve pre nego što igrate u bilo kom izabranom kazinu.
Štaviše, kazino posebno navodi da dostupnost u vašoj zemlji ne znači nužno da možete legalno da igrate tamo. Molimo pogledajte odredbu 2.2:
2.2 Kompanija ne pruža nikakve garancije u vezi sa legalnošću vašeg korišćenja Veb stranice, posebno u slučaju da je kockanje zabranjeno, regulisano ili nije regulisano u vašoj jurisdikciji. Isključivo je vaša odgovornost da u svakom trenutku poznajete zakone vaše zemlje koji se tiču kockanja na mreži i korišćenja Veb stranice. Pre nego što pokušate da otvorite nalog na Veb stranici i nakon toga svaki put pre nego što je koristite, morate proveriti da li je kockanje na mreži legalno u vašoj jurisdikciji. Korišćenjem ove Veb stranice garantujete da vam je zakonski dozvoljeno da se kockate na mreži. Ako u bilo kom trenutku kockanje na mreži u vašoj jurisdikciji postane nezakonito ili na drugi način ograničeno, morate odmah zatvoriti svoj nalog na Veb stranici i prestati da koristite njene usluge.
Čitav termin u osnovi znači da otvaranjem naloga kao nemački državljanin dobrovoljno učestvujete u igranju u nelicenciranom kazinu koji možda nije dozvoljen u vašoj zemlji, prihvatajući sve rizike i kazne koje su možda propisane zakonom.
Konačno, veb-sajt Casino Guru ima filter koji se može podesiti da vam prikaže sve licencirane kazina u Nemačkoj. Nekorišćenje ovog alata, već saradnja sa nelicenciranim kazinom, je van kontrole Casino Guru-a.
Mislim da bi Casino Guru trebalo temeljno da preispita svoju finansijsku zavisnost od ilegalnih kazina i povezani pristup njihovom ocenjivanju.
Kazino Guru finansijski ne zavisi od ilegalnih kazina. Ne dobijamo platu od kazina ili operatera za naše recenzije ili rešavanje žalbi. To nam omogućava da budemo nezavisni recenzenti i posrednici u slučajevima poput ovog. A Spinrollz nije ilegalni kazino. Nemaju licencu, ali nisu ilegalni. Međutim, ono što može biti ilegalno jeste kreiranje naloga iz zemlje u kojoj je kockanje bez licence zabranjeno. Ali to je na sudu da odluči.
Nakon što je gore navedeno razjašnjeno, mogu da potvrdim da vaš video prikazuje iste informacije kao što je dostavio kazino. U vašoj originalnoj poruci iz 2025. godine samo ste naveli svoju želju da zatvorite nalog, bez pominjanja zavisnosti od kockanja ili bilo kog drugog razloga za zatvaranje. Sada je takođe logično da se predstavnik kazina raspituje o razlogu vaše odluke. Pošto nijedan razlog nije dat, niti su preduzeti dalji pokušaji samoisključenja zbog zavisnosti od kockanja, vaš kazino nalog je ostao otvoren i dobrovoljno ste se kockali. Stoga nisam u mogućnosti da zahtevam bilo kakav povraćaj novca od kazina, jer nisu obavešteni o vašoj zavisnosti od kockanja.
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Držaću ovu temu otvorenom dok kazino ne potvrdi da je vaš nalog zatvoren na neodređeno vreme zbog zavisnosti od kockanja, da su vaši akreditivi stavljeni na crnu listu kako bi se sprečila ponovna registracija, a takođe ću ih zamoliti da prekinu svaku marketinšku komunikaciju prema vama. Kada se ovo potvrdi, žalba će biti zatvorena.
Dok čekate odgovor kazina, slobodno postavite bilo kakva pitanja ili me obavestite o dodatnim problemima koje ću eventualno rešiti pre zatvaranja. Hvala vam na razumevanju.
Dear Bagger, thank you for sending me the video, it is exactly what I needed to compare all the evidence received from both yourself and the casino representative. But first, I would like to address certain points from your previous message:
On your portal, a casino is rated "above average" for security, yet upon inquiry with the German gambling authority, it is classified as illegal. It has no license.
Our rating system is operating on 0-10 basis so 6,9 is indeed above average. We openly state the casino has no license, we openly showcase which of their terms we consider unfair, and we also list a negative point of limited responsible gambling tools. Since Germany is available country upon registration and is not in the list of prohibited countries, we also inform that the casino accepts players from Germany. Next, I would like to remind you about the footnote below each of ours reviews:
- Casino.guru is an independent source of information about online casinos and online casino games, not controlled by any gambling operator. All our reviews and guides are created honestly, according to the best knowledge and judgement of the members of our independent expert team; however, they are intended for informative purposes only and should not be construed as, nor relied upon as, legal advice. You should always make sure that you meet all regulatory requirements before playing in any selected casino.
Moreover, the casino specifically states that being available in your country does not necessarly means you can legally play there. Please, see term 2.2:
2.2 The Company does not provide any assurances or warranties with regards to the legality of your use of the Website, particularly in case gambling is prohibited, regulated or unregulated in your jurisdiction. It is solely your responsibility to know the laws of your country concerning online gambling and the use of the Website, at all times. Before attempting to open an account with the Website and thereafter each time before using it you must verify whether online gambling is legal in your particular jurisdiction. By using this Website, you warrant that you are legally allowed to gamble online. If at any time online gambling in your jurisdiction becomes illegal or otherwise restricted, you must immediately close your account with the Website and stop using its services.
The whole term basically means that by opening an account as a German citizen you have willingly engaged in playing at unlicensed casino that may not allowed in your country, accepting all the risks and penalties, that may have been imposed by law.
Lastly, Casino Guru website has a filter, which can be set up to show you all licensed casinos in Germany. Not using this tool, and instead engaging with an unlicensed casino is outside of Casino Guru control.
I think Casino Guru should thoroughly reconsider its financial dependence on illegal casinos and its associated approach to rating them.
Casino Guru does not financially depend on illegal caisnos. We do not get paid by casinos or operators for our reviews or complaints resolution. That allows us to be independent reviewers and mediators in cases like these. And Spinrollz is not an illegal casino. They are unlicensed, but not illegal. What may be illegal, though, is creating an account from a country where unlicensed gambling is prohibited. But that is up to the court to decide.
With the above being cleared, I can confirm that your video shows the same information as has been provided by the casino. Your original message from 2025 has only stated your wish to close the account, without mentioning gambling addiction or any other reason behind the closure. It also makes sense now, that the caisno representative has been inquiring about the reason behind your decision. Since none has been provided, and no further attempts for self-exclusion due to gambling addiction have been made, your caisno account has stayed open and you have gambled voluntarily. Therefore, I am unable to request any kind of refund from the casino, since they have not been informed about your gambling addiction.
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I will keep this thread open until the casino confirms your account has been closed indefinitely due to gambling addiction, your credentials were blacklisted to prevent re-registraton, and I will also request them to stop any and all marketing communication towards you. Once this is confirmed, the complaint will be closed.
While waiting for the casino repsonse, feel free to ask any questions or let me know of further issues, that I may address before the closure. Thank you for your understanding.
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