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The player from Australia lodged a complaint against Thrill Casino for failing to fulfill responsible gambling practices and player protection obligations, which led to severe financial loss and emotional distress for his family. Despite evident gambling harm, the casino's VIP team encouraged continued gambling without intervention. He sought assistance in addressing these serious issues with the casino. Upon reviewing the evidence, it was concluded that the conditions for pursuing a refund were not met, as the player did not explicitly inform the casino of his gambling issues prior to significant losses. Consequently, the complaint was rejected due to insufficient basis for intervention.
Igrač iz Australije podneo je žalbu protiv kazina Thrill zbog nepoštovanja odgovornih praksi kockanja i obaveza zaštite igrača, što je dovelo do ozbiljnog finansijskog gubitka i emocionalne patnje za njegovu porodicu. Uprkos očiglednoj šteti od kockanja, VIP tim kazina je ohrabrivao nastavak kockanja bez intervencije. Tražio je pomoć u rešavanju ovih ozbiljnih problema od kazina. Nakon pregleda dokaza, zaključeno je da uslovi za traženje povraćaja novca nisu ispunjeni, jer igrač nije eksplicitno obavestio kazino o svojim problemima sa kockanjem pre značajnih gubitaka. Shodno tome, žalba je odbijena zbog nedovoljnog osnova za intervenciju.
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Podnosim ovu žalbu protiv kazina Thrill u vezi sa onim što smatram ekstremnim neuspehom u praksi odgovornog kockanja i obavezama zaštite igrača.
Od kraja prošle godine, doživeo sam ozbiljan recidiv kockanja tokom kojeg sam izgubio praktično celu porodičnu ušteđevinu, zajedno sa značajnim pozajmljenim sredstvima i kreditima. Tokom ovog perioda, kazino Thrill je imao opsežan uvid u moje kockarsko ponašanje, obrasce trošenja, učestalost depozita, emocionalno stanje i ukupnu aktivnost. Uprkos onome što je trebalo da budu brojni jasni pokazatelji štetnosti i patnje od kockanja, kazino nijednog trenutka nije smisleno intervenisao, sproveo provere socijalne pomoći, predložio mere bezbednijeg kockanja, zahtevao provere pristupačnosti ili preduzeo korake da me zaštiti od daljih gubitaka.
Umesto toga, ponašanje njihovog VIP tima je izgleda aktivno podstaklo nastavak kockarskih aktivnosti. Neprekidno sam dobijao bonuse, promocije, personalizovanu interakciju i stalnu komunikaciju osmišljenu da me nastavi da igram. Vremenom su članovi VIP tima razvili ono što se činilo kao lični odnos putem Telegram komunikacije, dok je moje kockarsko ponašanje očigledno eskaliralo na nezdrav i destruktivan način.
Završio sam potpunu analizu i evidenciju VIP interakcija i Telegram komunikacije, što jasno pokazuje prirodu angažovanja i potpuno odsustvo bilo kakvih smislenih praksi bezbednog kockanja. Pregledom ovih razgovora, postaje očigledno da je prioritet izgleda bio zadržavanje igrača i kontinuirano trošenje, a ne bilo kakva briga za dobrobit igrača ili obaveze odgovornog kockanja.
Posledice ovoga su bile razarajuće za moju porodicu. Na kraju sam bila primorana da iskreno priznam svom partneru obim gubitaka i finansijske štete koja je nastala. Ovo je izazvalo ogromnu emocionalnu patnju, finansijske teškoće i lični pritisak na naše domaćinstvo. Moj partner sada takođe aktivno pomaže u pokušaju rešavanja ovog problema.
Pokušali smo da rešimo ove probleme direktno sa kazinom Thrill pre nego što smo ih eskalirali spolja. Nažalost, odgovor se uglavnom sastojao od generičkih odgovora tima za žalbe sa malo suštine, odgovornosti ili smislenog pokušaja da se reši ozbiljnost pokrenutih problema.
Trenutno iscrpljujemo sve raspoložive kanale kako bismo osigurali da se ovo pitanje pravilno pregleda i reši. S obzirom na ozbiljnost situacije, obimne dostupne dokaze i očigledno nepoštovanje obaveza odgovornog kockanja, s poštovanjem molimo Casino Guru za pomoć u razmatranju ove žalbe i olakšavanju pravedne i ozbiljne istrage o ponašanju Thrill Casino-a.
Ovo je izuzetno težak period za našu porodicu i svaka pomoć ili smernice bi bile veoma cenjene.
I am lodging this complaint against Thrill Casino regarding what I believe to be an extreme failure of responsible gambling practices and player protection obligations.
Since late last year, I experienced a severe gambling relapse during which I lost essentially our family’s entire savings, along with significant borrowed funds and loans. Throughout this period, Thrill Casino had extensive visibility into my gambling behaviour, spending patterns, frequency of deposits, emotional state, and overall activity. Despite what should have been numerous clear indicators of gambling harm and distress, at no point did the casino meaningfully intervene, conduct welfare checks, suggest safer gambling measures, request affordability checks, or take steps to protect me from further losses.
Instead, the conduct from their VIP team appeared to actively encourage continued gambling activity. I was continuously drip-fed bonuses, promotions, personalised engagement, and ongoing communication designed to keep me playing. Over time, members of the VIP team developed what felt like a personal relationship through Telegram communications, all while my gambling behaviour was clearly escalating in an unhealthy and destructive way.
I have completed a full breakdown and record of the VIP interactions and Telegram communications, which clearly demonstrate the nature of the engagement and the complete absence of any meaningful safe gambling practices. In reviewing these conversations, it becomes evident that the priority appeared to be player retention and continued spending, rather than any concern for player welfare or responsible gambling obligations.
The consequences of this have been devastating for my family. I was ultimately forced to come clean to my partner regarding the extent of the losses and financial damage that had occurred. This has caused enormous emotional distress, financial hardship, and personal strain on our household. My partner is now also actively assisting in trying to resolve this matter.
We attempted to resolve these concerns directly with Thrill Casino before escalating externally. Unfortunately, the response has largely consisted of generic complaints team replies with little substance, accountability, or meaningful attempt to address the seriousness of the issues raised.
We are now exhausting all available channels to ensure this matter is properly reviewed and addressed. Given the severity of the situation, the extensive evidence available, and the apparent disregard for responsible gambling obligations, we respectfully request Casino Guru’s assistance in reviewing this complaint and facilitating a fair and serious investigation into the conduct of Thrill Casino.
This is an extremely distressing time for our family, and any assistance or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
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Zdravo,
Hvala vam puno što ste poslali žalbu. Žao mi je što ste imali negativno iskustvo sa Thrill Casino-om.
Dozvolite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja kako bismo bolje utvrdili kako da vam pomognemo.
Da li vam je trenutno dostupan vaš nalog?
Možete li, molim vas, podeliti komunikaciju u kojoj ste obavestili kazino o vašim problemima sa kockanjem? Molim vas, podelite informacije sa vremenskim oznakama, ako su dostupne, na moju imejl adresu tomas@casino.guru
Kada vam je kazino poslednji put dozvolio da uplatite depozit?
Da li ste već tražili povraćaj vaših neto depozita od kazina? Da li ste dobili neki odgovor?
Ako vaš nalog trenutno nije blokiran, kao sledeći korak, preporučujem vam da pošaljete zahtev za samoisključenje putem e-pošte na support@thrill.com , posebno vašem VIP menadžeru, i istovremeno, uključite me u kopiju imejla za tomas@casino.guru
Kada podnosite zahtev za samoisključenje, jasno navedite razlog za deaktivaciju naloga i navedite period. Pored toga, naslov imejla treba da bude označen i lako prepoznatljiv, jer podrška kazina prima mnogo zahteva dnevno. Ako je vidljivo označen, imaćete veće šanse da vam zahtev bude odobren što je pre moguće.
Primer:
Naslov imejla: Samoisključenje:
Informacije o igraču:
Ime:
Prezime:
Datum rođenja:
Prijava u kazino:
Adresa e-pošte:
„Pozdrav podršci Thrill kazina,"
Pišem vam da vas obavestim da želim da budem odmah isključen iz ovog kazina i da trajno ne primam bilo kakav marketinški materijal vezan za kockanje.
Razlog za moju odluku je taj što patim od problema sa kockanjem.
Potvrđujem da mi neće biti dozvoljeno da poništim svoje samoisključenje tokom ovog perioda i da samoisključenje ne može biti ukinuto pre kraja dogovorenog perioda.
Nadam se da ćemo moći da vam pomognemo da rešite ovaj problem što je pre moguće. Unapred vam hvala na odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Hello,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with Thrill Casino.
Please allow me to ask you a few questions so we can better determine how to assist you.
Is your account currently accessible to you?
Could you please share the communication in which you informed the casino about your gambling issues? Please share the information with timestamps if available, to my email at tomas@casino.guru
When was the last time the casino allowed you to deposit?
Have you asked for a refund of your net deposits from the casino already? Have you received any response?
If your account is currently not blocked, as the next step, I recommend you send a self-exclusion request via email at support@thrill.com, separately to your VIP manager, and at the same time, include me in the copy of the email to tomas@casino.guru
When applying for self-exclusion, clearly state the reason for deactivating your account and specify the period. Additionally, the email subject should be marked and easily recognizable, as the casino support receives many requests per day. If it is marked visibly, you will stand a better chance of having your request granted as soon as possible.
Example:
Email subject: Self-exclusion:
Player’s info:
First name:
Last name:
Date of birth:
Casino login:
Email address:
"Greetings Thrill Casino Support,
I’m writing to inform you that I wish to be immediately excluded from this casino and from receiving any gambling-related marketing material permanently.
The reason for my decision is that I am suffering from gambling problems.
I acknowledge that I will not be allowed to rescind my self-exclusion during this period and that the self-exclusion cannot be lifted before the end of the agreed period."
I hope we will be able to help you resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Tomas
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Zdravo Tomase,
Hvala vam na odgovoru i pomoći.
Molim vas pogledajte moje odgovore ispod:
1. Moj nalog više nije dostupan i već ga je zatvorio Thrill Casino.
2. Uskoro ću vam na vašu imejl adresu proslediti komunikaciju koja prikazuje razgovore o mojim problemima i ponašanju u vezi sa kockanjem, uključujući vremenske oznake gde su dostupne.
3. Poslednji dan kada sam mogao da uplatim sredstva bio je ponedeljak ove nedelje, što je takođe isti dan kada se ovaj problem pogoršao i na kraju rezultirao zatvaranjem mog računa.
4. Da, već sam zatražio povraćaj mojih neto depozita od kazina. U ovoj fazi, stvar nije zadovoljavajuće rešena.
Da pojasnim, moja žalba nije ograničena na ono što se dogodilo nakon što sam eksplicitno otkrio probleme sa kockanjem. Suštinski problem je, po mom mišljenju, potpuni propust operatera da primeni odgovarajuće prakse odgovornog kockanja i bezbednog kockanja tokom dužeg vremenskog perioda.
Po mom mišljenju, postojale su stotine prilika gde su jasni pokazatelji problematičnog kockarskog ponašanja trebalo da pokrenu intervenciju, provere bezbednijeg kockanja, preglede pristupačnosti, interakciju sa socijalnom pomoći, ograničenja depozita, mere hlađenja ili suspenziju naloga. Uprkos tome, kazino je nastavio da prihvata značajne aktivnosti kockanja i depozite bez značajne intervencije.
Moja zabrinutost je da operater nije uspeo da na odgovarajući način identifikuje i reaguje na očigledne indikatore štete od kockanja tokom dužeg perioda, uprkos tome što je imao širok uvid u aktivnosti koje se dešavaju na nalogu.
Uskoro ću vam proslediti prateću komunikaciju i dokaze na pregled.
Hvala vam još jednom na pomoći.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Danijel ***
Priložiću komunikaciju odvojeno sa mojim zahtevima za uzbudljivost
Hi Tomas,
Thank you for your response and assistance.
Please see my answers below:
1. My account is no longer accessible and has already been closed by Thrill Casino.
2. I will forward the communications showing discussions around my gambling issues and behaviour, including timestamps where available, to your email shortly.
3. The last day I was able to deposit was Monday this week, which is also the same day this matter escalated and ultimately resulted in the closure of my account.
4. Yes, I have already requested a refund of my net deposits from the casino. At this stage, the matter has not been resolved satisfactorily.
To clarify, my complaint is not limited to what occurred after I explicitly disclosed gambling problems. The core issue is what I believe was a complete failure by the operator to apply appropriate responsible gambling and safe gambling practices over an extended period of time.
There were, in my view, hundreds of opportunities where clear markers of problematic gambling behaviour should have triggered intervention, safer gambling checks, affordability reviews, welfare interaction, deposit restrictions, cooling off measures, or account suspension. Despite this, the casino continued accepting significant gambling activity and deposits without meaningful intervention.
My concern is that the operator failed to appropriately identify and act on obvious indicators of gambling harm over a prolonged period, despite having extensive visibility of the activity occurring on the account.
I will forward the supporting communications and evidence shortly for your review.
Thank you again for your assistance.
Kind regards,
Daniel ***
ill attached the communication separately with my requests to thrill
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Još bolje, prosledio sam ti lanac imejlova
Better yet, I forwarded you the email chain
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Samo da bih dodatno objasnio, ja sam zavisnik u oporavku. Krajem prošle godine, nakon što sam nedavno postao otac i suočio se sa značajnim ličnim i finansijskim stresom, ponovo sam se vratio kockanju preko kompanije Thrill. Takođe sam otpušten u januaru.
Ponašanje koje sam pokazivao tokom ovog perioda očigledno nije bilo racionalno niti zdravo. Kockao sam se više od 18 sati dnevno, sedam dana u nedelji, tokom dužeg vremenskog perioda. Moja komunikacija sa VIP timom odražavala je nekoga ko je bio uznemiren, očajan, emotivan, nestabilan i mentalno bolestan. Postoje bezbrojni primeri u vašim sopstvenim zapisima koji to pokazuju.
Mogu da razumem ako neko kocka kratko bez očiglednih znakova upozorenja, ali to se ovde nije dogodilo. Ovo se eskaliralo tokom mnogih meseci na ekstreman i veoma vidljiv način. Tokom tog vremena, niko nije značajno intervenisao, niko se nije zaustavio da me pita da li sam mentalno sposoban da nastavim sa kockanjem, i činilo se da nije sprovedena nikakva istinska dužnost opreznosti uprkos tome što je ozbiljnost mog ponašanja bila očigledna svakome ko je obraćao pažnju.
Umesto toga, stalno sam bio podstican da nastavim da se kockam. VIP osoblje me je stalno kontaktiralo, podsticalo da nastavim da igram, pa čak i pozajmljivalo novac dok sam očigledno propadao. Gledajući unazad na komunikaciju i aktivnosti sada, neverovatno je teško shvatiti kako je ovo moglo da se nastavi nekontrolisano tako dugo.
Tril je prestao da uzima novac tek kada bukvalno nije ostalo ništa za uzeti. Do tada sam izgubio svoju ušteđevinu, pozajmio novac i doveo svoju porodicu u neverovatno štetnu finansijsku i emocionalnu situaciju.
Želim da bude jasno da ne pokušavam da izbegnem ličnu odgovornost. Ja sam zavisnik i priznajem svoju ulogu u onome što se dogodilo. Međutim, dolazi trenutak kada i operater ima odgovornost da deluje. Po mom mišljenju, Thrill je potpuno zakazao u svojoj dužnosti brige i dozvolio je očigledno ranjivoj osobi da nastavi da se kocka do katastrofalnih nivoa tokom perioda od 6 do 7 meseci bez ikakve značajne intervencije.
Ako bi se ovakva vrsta ponašanja dešavala u mnogim drugim industrijama, postojale bi ozbiljne pravne posledice za takav grubi nemar u vezi sa bezbednošću i dobrobiti potrošača. Činjenica da sam očigledno bio bolestan, a ipak sam i dalje bio olakšavan i ohrabrivan da se kockam, nešto je sa čime se duboko borim.
Ova situacija je imala razarajući uticaj na moju porodicu, moje mentalno zdravlje i našu budućnost. Iskreno molim za pomoć da se ova situacija reši na pravedan i saosećajan način, jer trenutno iskreno ne znam kako bi se moja porodica trebalo da oporavi od onoga što se dogodilo. Verovatno će nam kuća biti zaplenjena u roku od nekoliko nedelja ako ne uspem da nagovorim Tril da nastavi dalje, što će nas u suštini učiniti beskućnicima. Molim vas, pomozite nam. I to brzo…
Rado ću priložiti sve kompletne logove ćaskanja u Telegramu ako želite, prethodni dokument je samo istaknuti pregled istih. Javite mi i mogu da otpremim neobrađene datoteke.
Just for additional context, I am a recovering addict. Late last year, after recently becoming a father and dealing with significant personal and financial stress, I relapsed into gambling through Thrill. I also was made redundant in January.
The behaviour I exhibited throughout this period was clearly not rational or healthy. I was gambling for 18+ hours a day, seven days a week, over an extended period. My communication with the VIP team reflected someone who was distressed, desperate, emotional, erratic and mentally unwell. There are countless examples within your own records showing this.
I can understand if someone gambles briefly without obvious warning signs, but that is not what happened here. This escalated over many months in an extreme and highly visible way. During that time, nobody meaningfully intervened, nobody stopped to ask whether I was mentally fit to continue gambling, and no genuine duty of care appeared to be exercised despite the severity of my behaviour being obvious to anyone paying attention.
Instead, I was continuously encouraged to continue gambling. I was contacted constantly by VIP staff, incentivised to keep playing, and even lent money while clearly spiralling. Looking back at the communication and activity now, it is incredibly difficult to understand how this was allowed to continue unchecked for so long.
Thrill only stopped taking money once there was literally nothing left to take. By that point, I had lost my savings, borrowed money, and put my family into an incredibly damaging position financially and emotionally.
I want to be clear that I am not attempting to avoid personal responsibility. I am an addict, and I acknowledge my own role in what has happened. However, there comes a point where an operator also has a responsibility to act. In my view, Thrill failed entirely in its duty of care and allowed a clearly vulnerable person to continue gambling to catastrophic levels over a period of 6 to 7 months without any meaningful intervention.
If this type of conduct occurred in many other industries, there would be serious legal consequences for such gross negligence around consumer safety and wellbeing. The fact that I was so obviously unwell, yet continued to be facilitated and encouraged to gamble, is something I am struggling deeply to come to terms with.
This situation has had a devastating impact on my family, my mental health, and our future. I am genuinely asking for help to resolve this situation in a fair and compassionate way, because right now I honestly do not know how my family is supposed to recover from what has happened. We are likely to have our home foreclosed on within weeks if I am unable to get Thrill agreeable on a path forward, essentially making us homeless. Please help us. And quick…
I am happy to attached all the full telegram chat logs if you would like them, the previous document is just a highlighted review of them. Let me know and I can upload the raw files.
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Zdravo Tomase, nadam se da si dobro, ne želim da vršim pritisak, ali smo u zaista lošoj situaciji, uskoro ćemo ostati potpuno bez novca, kako idu pregovori sa Thrill-om? Ovo je veoma hitno, ostali smo bez opcija...
Hi Tomas, hope you are well, I don’t mean to put pressure on but we are in a really bad spot, about to be completely out of money, how is the discussions going with Thrill? This is very urgent we are out of options…
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Zdravo Tomaše, samo se javljam, nisam čuo ništa od tebe u vezi sa ovim?
Hi Tomas, just checking in, I haven’t heard anything from you regarding this?
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Hvala vam na strpljenju.
Pregledao sam komunikaciju koju ste nam dali. Molimo vas da imate razumevanja da zahtev za povraćaj potrošenog novca možemo da pokrenemo samo u situacijama gde možemo da zaključimo da je kazino trebalo da vas zaštiti od daljeg kockanja. Ako imate problema sa kockanjem, da biste bili zaštićeni, verujemo da kazino treba da deluje kako bi vas zaštitio ako ih obavestite o svojim problemima sa kockanjem. U komunikaciji koju ste nam dali, nema jasne naznake da patite od problema sa kockanjem. Traženje bonusa, nažalost, nije dovoljan signal da pokrenemo slučaj. Pošto je kazino već zatvorio vaš nalog nakon što ste ih obavestili o svojim problemima sa kockanjem, malo šta više možemo da uradimo.
Molim vas, recite mi ako postoje neke informacije koje sam možda prevideo/la.
Thanks for your patience.
I went over the communication you provided. Please understand we can only pursue the refund request for the money that was spent in situations where we can conclude the casino should have protected you from further gambling. If you are experiencing gambling issues, to be protected, we believe the casino should act to protect you if you inform them of your gambling issues. In the communication you provided, there is no clear indication that you are suffering from gambling issues. Asking for bonuses is, unfortunately, not a sufficient signal for us to pursue the case. Since the casino has already closed your account after you informed them of your gambling issues, there is little more we can accomplish.
Please let me know if there is any information I might have overlooked.
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Hvala vam na odgovoru, međutim, snažno se ne slažem sa stavom koji je ovde zauzet, kako činjenično tako i sa stanovišta odgovornog kockanja.
S poštovanjem, sugestija da „nije bilo jasnih indikacija" štetnosti kockanja teško se pomiri sa stvarnošću kako se ove VIP interakcije i interakcije sa kockanjem odvijaju u praksi.
Prilažem snimak ekrana drugog igrača koji je eksplicitno obavestio operatera da je zavisnik. Odgovor kazina bio je generička poruka o bezbednom kockanju, nakon čega je igrač mogao da nastavi sa kockanjem i izgubi preko 10.000 dolara sledećeg dana.
Sam taj primer pokazuje zabrinjavajući obrazac reaktivnih, površinskih procedura „odgovornog kockanja" koje izgledaju više kao da su osmišljene za optiku usklađenosti nego za smislenu intervenciju.
Da li Casino Guru, platforma koja se predstavlja kao pouzdan zagovornik igrača, zaista veruje da je to prihvatljiv ishod odgovornog kockanja?
Jer sa stanovišta zaštite igrača, očigledno nije.
Argument da ponovljeni zahtevi za bonusom, prekomerno angažovanje, obrasci VIP interakcije, podsticaji, gubitničko ponašanje i eskalacija kockarskih aktivnosti nekako nisu pokazatelji potencijalne štete od kockanja takođe je izuzetno teško prihvatiti, posebno u VIP okruženju gde operateri imaju znatno veću vidljivost ponašanja i podatke od samih kupaca.
Obaveze odgovornog kockanja nisu ograničene samo na situacije u kojima kupac koristi tačne fraze poput „Imam zavisnost od kockanja".
Ako se to primenjuje kao prag, onda čitav koncept proaktivne zaštite igrača postaje uglavnom besmislen.
Realnost je da operateri kockanja intenzivno prate ponašanje kupaca. Oni detaljno prate depozite, gubitke, dužinu sesije, trendove u ponašanju, VIP angažovanost, promotivne reakcije i metrike vrednosti igrača. Tvrditi da nisu u stanju da identifikuju eskalirajuće štetno ponašanje osim ako igrač ne da eksplicitnu formalnu izjavu ignoriše koliko su ovi sistemi zapravo sofisticirani.
Takođe napominjem da je do zatvaranja računa došlo tek nakon što je šteta od kockanja već značajno nastala. Zatvaranje računa nakon što je šteta već nastala ne oslobađa operatera odgovornosti da li je ranije trebalo razumno da se interveniše.
U širem smislu, ovaj odgovor pokreće ozbiljno pitanje o standardima kompanije Casino Guru prilikom procene žalbi na odgovorno kockanje.
Ako se igrač koji eksplicitno izjavi da je zavisnik, dobije samo generički šablonski odgovor, a zatim mu se odmah dozvoli da izgubi preko 10.000 dolara sledećeg dana, i dalje smatra prihvatljivim ponašanjem, postaje teško razumeti koji bi se standard ikada kvalifikovao kao neuspeh zaštite odgovornog kockanja.
Zamolio bih da se ovo pitanje pažljivije ponovo razmotri i eskalira interno na dalju reviziju, umesto da se procenjuje isključivo u odnosu na nerealno uski prag eksplicitne formulacije.
S poštovanjem,
Danijel
Thank you for your response, however I strongly disagree with the position being taken here, both factually and from a responsible gambling perspective.
Respectfully, the suggestion that there was "no clear indication" of gambling harm is difficult to reconcile with the reality of how these VIP and gambling interactions occur in practice.
I am attaching a screenshot from another player who explicitly informed the operator that he was an addict. The response provided by the casino was a generic safe gambling message, after which the player was able to continue gambling and lose in excess of $10,000 the following day.
That example alone demonstrates a concerning pattern of reactive, surface-level "responsible gambling" procedures that appear designed more for compliance optics than meaningful intervention.
Does Casino Guru, a platform that markets itself as a trusted advocate for players, genuinely believe that is an acceptable responsible gambling outcome?
Because from a player protection perspective, it clearly is not.
The argument that repeated bonus requests, excessive engagement, VIP interaction patterns, inducements, loss behaviour, and escalating gambling activity are somehow not indicators of potential gambling harm is also extremely difficult to accept, particularly within a VIP environment where operators have vastly more behavioural visibility and data than the customer themselves.
Responsible gambling obligations are not limited solely to situations where a customer uses exact phrases such as "I have a gambling addiction."
If that is the threshold being applied, then the entire concept of proactive player protection becomes largely meaningless.
The reality is that gambling operators monitor customer behaviour extensively. They track deposits, losses, session length, behavioural trends, VIP engagement, promotional responsiveness, and player value metrics in significant detail. To suggest they are unable to identify escalating harmful behaviour unless a player makes an explicit formal declaration ignores how sophisticated these systems actually are.
I also note that the account closure only occurred after gambling harm had already substantially occurred. Closing an account after the damage is done does not absolve an operator of whether earlier intervention should reasonably have taken place.
More broadly, this response raises a serious question around Casino Guru’s standards when assessing responsible gambling complaints.
If a player explicitly stating they are an addict, receiving only a generic templated response, and then immediately being allowed to lose over $10,000 the next day is still viewed as acceptable conduct, it becomes difficult to understand what standard would ever qualify as a failure of responsible gambling protections.
I would ask that this matter be reconsidered more carefully and escalated internally for further review rather than assessed purely against an unrealistically narrow threshold of explicit wording.
Regards,
Daniel
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Hvala što ste podelili svoje gledište.
Nažalost, na osnovu okolnosti vezanih za vaš slučaj, uslovi za našu pomoć nisu bili ispunjeni. Sugerisali smo da naša pomoć zavisi od vašeg otkrivanja problema sa kockanjem kazinu u prošlosti, u jednoj od vaših prethodnih žalbi, i to je naš stav i sada.
Komunikacija sa drugim igračima ne može se smatrati dokazom u vašem slučaju. Ako se pomenuti igrač odluči da podnese žalbu protiv kazina, ispitaćemo sve dokaze vezane za njegovo poslovanje sa kazinom koje nam može pružiti, jer smo pregledali dokaze koje ste vi pružili u vezi sa vašom situacijom.
Zaštita igrača trebalo bi da se sprovede nakon što igrač obavesti kazino o svojim problemima sa kockanjem. Naš tim za žalbe ne razmatra prethodne aktivnosti u igri i ne traži se povraćaj neto depozita od prethodne aktivnosti.
U ovom trenutku, ne smatramo da su alati za praćenje koje opisujete obavezni za onlajn kazina i ne možemo ih kažnjavati na osnovu nedostatka takvih funkcija odgovornog kockanja. Međutim, smatramo da je samoisključenje zbog problema sa kockanjem obavezno u onlajn kazinima.
Preporučujemo vam da zatražite samoisključenje zbog zavisnosti od kockanja u bilo kom onlajn kazinu gde imate otvoren nalog i potražite stručnu pomoć ako smatrate da je to neophodan korak.
Zbog gore navedenih razloga, sada ćemo odbaciti ovu žalbu. Hvala vam na razumevanju. Iskreno mi je žao što nismo bili u mogućnosti da vam efikasnije pomognemo u ovoj konkretnoj situaciji, jer uvek težimo da pomognemo igračima da reše svoje probleme kad god je to moguće.
Molimo vas da imate u vidu da nas možete ponovo kontaktirati ako naiđete na bilo kakve probleme sa ovim ili bilo kojim drugim kazinom u budućnosti. Bilo da je u pitanju pitanje, nedoumica ili novi problem koji treba ispitati, naš tim je tu i spreman da vam pomogne.
Thanks for sharing your point of view.
Sadly, based on the circumstances related to your case, the conditions for our help weren't met. We suggested our help hinges on your disclosure of the gambling issues to the casino in the past, in one of your previous complaint submissions, and it's our position again at this time.
Communication from other players can't be considered as evidence in your case. If said player decides to file a complaint against the casino, we'll investigate any evidence related to their dealings with the casino that they can provide to us, as we have reviewed the evidence you provided regarding your situation.
Player protection should take place after the player informs the casino of their gambling problems. Previous game activity is not considered by our complaints team, and a refund of net deposit from previous activity isn't pursued.
At this point, we don't consider online casinos having the monitoring tools you describe as mandatory, and we can't penalize them based on a lack of such responsible gambling features. However, we consider self-exclusion due to gambling issues as mandatory in online casinos.
We recommend that you request a self-exclusion due to gambling addiction in any online casino where you have an open account and seek professional help if you believe it's the necessary step.
Due to the aforementioned reasons, we will now proceed to reject this complaint. Thank you for your understanding. I am genuinely sorry that we were not able to assist you more effectively in this particular situation, as we always aim to help players resolve their issues whenever possible.
Please remember that you are welcome to contact us again if you run into any problems with this or any other casino in the future. Whether it is a question, a concern or a new issue that needs to be looked into, our team is here and ready to support you.
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