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Imam velikih problema sa isplatom ovog kazina.
Tako da sam deponovao nešto više od 300. U ovom trenutku sam bio elektronski verifikovan, a prag je bio 2000, pa sam mislio da sam u redu za bilo kakve kic provere.
Ostvario sam veliki dobitak 2000 se odmah povukao i osetio sam da želim da se kockam pa sam se isključio.
Sajt je bio tako težak u odgovorima na pitanja.
Znam da ne bi trebalo da traže ličnu kartu kada je to moglo biti traženo u ranijem odeljku 17 i zakona o samoisključenju, međutim, rekli su da neću dobiti nijedan od svojih dobitaka dok im ne pošaljem ličnu kartu, bankovne podatke, selfi i prebivalište.
Popustio sam i poslao ih sve na mejl kako su mi rekli.
Zatim su se vratili što nije bilo dovoljno dobro, morao sam to da uradim preko veze i želeli su video dokaz da sam se prijavio u svoju banku i pokazao transakcije. Uradio to. Agent za ćaskanje je rekao da bi ovo bilo prihvatljivo.
Da li je fotografija ID koja je dobila prihvaćenu vozačku dozvolu sa mojom adresom, da li je video.
Uradio dokaz adrese.
Sada su jutros poslali e-poštu da video nije dovoljno dobar i detaljniji video koji prikazuje sve detalje o mom nalogu.
Moja banka.savetovala me da to ne radim!
Svaki put kada se pridržavam, oni pomeraju stativu, pa šta da radim??
I'm having major trouble with this casino paying out.
So I deposited just over 300. I was electronically verified at this point and threshold stated 2000 so thought I was ok for any kyc checks.
I hit a big win 2000 withdrew immediately and felt I wanted to gamble so I did self exclude.
The site has been so difficult in answering questions.
I know they're not supposed to ask for id when it could of been asked at an earlier point section 17 and the self exclusion laws however they stated I wouldn't recieve any of my winnings until I sent them photo ID, banking details, selfie and letter of residence.
I gave in and sent them all on the email as they told me to.
Next they came back that wasn't good enough I'd have to do it by link and they wanted video proof of me logging in my bank and showing the transactions. Did that. Chat agent said this would be acceptable.
Did the photo id which got accepted driving licence with my address on, did the video.
Did the proof of address.
Now they have emailed this morning the video is not good enough and a more indepth video showing all my account details.
My bank.advised me not to do this!
Everytime I comply they move the goal post so what am I to do??
zdravo,
Ako ste sigurni da ste već dali kazinu svu neophodnu dokumentaciju, ili recimo dovoljno dokumenata za potpunu verifikaciju vas i vašeg naloga, rekao bih da nema mnogo toga da se uradi u tom pogledu.
Želeo bih da znam zašto je kazinu uopšte potreban takav video. Ovi zahtevi mogu ukazivati na to da cilj nije samo verifikacija vašeg naloga već možda i istraživanje neke vrste sumnje povezane sa vašim nalogom. Ali više volim da ne spekulišem bez razumevanja pristupa kazina.
Dakle, možda ako sumiramo ono što ste već dali i uporedimo to sa onim što kazino još treba da oslobodi povlačenje, doći ćemo do realnog zaključka.
Možete li pokušati da to rezimirate, molim vas? Zaista mislim da bi to bilo zgodno.
Hello,
If you are certain you have already provided the casino with all necessary documents, or let's say enough documents to verify you and your account fully, I'd say there isn't much to do in that regard.
I would like to know why the casino needs such video in the first place. These requests may indicate that the goal is not just verifying your account but also perhaps investigating some sort of suspicion associated with your account. But I prefer not to speculate without understanding the casino's approach.
So, maybe if we summarize what you have already provided and compare that with what the casino still needs to release the withdrawal, we will come to a realistic conclusion.
Can you try to summarize that, please? I really think it would be handy.
Mislim da je moja adresa e-pošte možda nešto označila. To je stari mejl moje sestre. U osnovi sam pozajmio njen telefon dok nisam mogao da nađem zamenu. Imala je adresu e-pošte koju nije koristila tako da već godinu dana koristim tu e-poštu za sve i automatski. Očigledno su videli drugačije ime na mejlu. Odmah sam objasnio situaciju. Jednom savetniku za ćaskanje koji mi se ruga i pita me kojim imenom da me zove.
Pokazao sam im fotografije svog prijemnog sandučeta i pokazao im da su svi moji prihodi i odlazni mejlovi upućeni na mene, a ne na moju adresu e-pošte.
U ovome nisam prekršio nikakve uslove.
Ništa ne navodi imejl adresu. Koristio sam svoju karticu, svoj bankovni račun. Moja adresa.
Dostavio sam selfi, bankovni video, upravo sam uradio bankovnu karticu, dva pisma, vozačku dozvolu. Pokazao im je adresu e-pošte.
Hteli su da onda sve otpremim preko treće strane zvane mitek. Nije mi bilo prijatno, ali sam to uradio. Stalno dolazi do greške. Uspeli su da dobiju većinu i žele još jedan selfi dodat u mitek na čemu se nalazimo. Ne dozvoljava mi da otpremim tamo i oni samo kažu isto što treba da bude tamo. Pokušao sam da je pošaljem putem e-pošte i ćaskanja, ali ne žele da znaju.
I think my email address might of flagged up something. It's my sisters old email. I had basically borrowed her phone until I could get a replacement. She had an email address she didn't use so for about a year I've been using that email for everything and automatically. They've obviously seen a different name on the email. I explained the situation right away. To one chat advisor mocking me asking me which name to call me.
I showed them photos of my inbox and showed them all my emails income and outgoing are addressed to me rather than on my email address.
I have not breached any terms in this.
Nothing states about a named email address. I've used my card, my bank account. My address.
I have supplied selfie, bank video, I've just done my bank card, two letters, my driving licence. Showed them re email address.
They wanted me to then upload everything through a 3rd party called mitek I wasn't comfortable but did it. Kept coming up at error. Managed to get most and they want another selfie added to mitek which is where we are at. It's not allowing me to upload to there and they just say the same thing it needs to be on there I've attempted sending it via email and chat but they don't want to know.
Ok, mitek stvar je čudna. I tako pristup podrške kazina, ali pretpostavljam da ovo za sada morate ostaviti iza. Delimično razumem da korišćenje tuđe e-pošte može izazvati sumnju, ali osim ako niste koristili podatke treće strane prilikom registracije ili plaćanja, verujem da to ne bi trebalo da izazove takav nered...
Pretpostavljam da ćemo dobiti barem neko objašnjenje i priliku da rešimo problem čim se kazino uključi u raspravu o žalbama, što mislim da je neizbežno.
Ok, the mitek matter is weird. And so the casino's support approach, but I guess you have to put this behind for now. I can partially understand that using someone else's email may raise suspicion, but unless you used a 3rd party's details while registering, or paying, I believe it should not cause such a mess...
I suppose we get at least some explanation and an opportunity to resolve the issue as soon as the casino joins the complaint discussion, which I think is inevitable.
Zdravo Zdravo kazino guru tim i podrška,
ŽELIM DA IMAM TVOJU POGLEDNU STRANU, RADKA I NjENI DRUGARI
Ovde podnosim žalbu protiv ALLBRITISHCASINO-a,
Ubrzo, osećam se veoma razočarano i nepravedno tretirano od strane All British Casino-a.
Uplatio sam depozit od 500 funti koristeći Skrill nalog mog prijatelja jer moj Skrill u to vreme nije radio. Igrao sam pošteno, pošteno pobedio i stigao do 1.300 funti.
Kada sam pokušao da podignem 292 funte, kazino je tražio verifikaciju. Odmah sam dostavio sva tražena dokumenta — i svoja i prijateljeva — i u potpunosti sam sarađivao u dobroj veri.
Nakon što su sve proverili, rekli su mi da je korišćenje Skrill-a treće strane protiv njihovih uslova i da će mi nalog biti zabranjen, a samo moj depozit vraćen. Nikada nisam upozoren niti sprečen da uplatim depozit pre igre. Prihvatili su novac, dozvolili mi da se kockam i pokrenuli su problem tek nakon što sam pobedio. Kada sam uplatio 500 funti i izgubio opklade, niko me nije upozorio da je to „protiv pravila". Prihvatili su novac, dozvolili mi da slobodno igram i blokirali su me tek kada sam osvojio 1.300 funti.
Pošten kazino treba da primenjuje svoja pravila pre igre, a ne nakon što igrač pobedi.
Da je korišćenje Skrill naloga treće strane strogo zabranjeno, depozit nikada ne bi trebalo da bude prihvaćen . Ili VRAĆEN u tom trenutku. Sistem je odmah prihvatio depozit od 500 funti, dozvolio mi je da slobodno igram i gubim ili dobijam novac, a ja sam gubio, nisu intervenisali... dok nije zatraženo povlačenje. FER ILI NEFER, NORMALNO ILI NE? U tvojim rukama, draga Radka.
Hello Hello Casino guru team and support,
I WANT TO HAVE YOUR POV RADKA AND HER MATES
I deposit here a complaint against ALLBRITISHCASINO,
Quickly, I feel very disappointed and unfairly treated by All British Casino.
I made a deposit of £500 using my friend’s Skrill account because my own Skrill was not working at that time. I played honestly, won fairly, and reached £1,300.
When I tried to withdraw £292, the casino asked for verification. I immediately provided all requested documents — both mine and my friend’s — and fully cooperated in good faith.
After verifying everything, they told me that using a third-party Skrill was against their terms and that my account would be banned and only my deposit refunded. I was never warned or prevented from depositing before playing. They accepted the money, allowed me to gamble, and only raised the issue after I won. When I deposited £500 and lost bets, nobody warned me it was "against the rules". They accepted the money, let me play freely, and only blocked me once I won £1,300.
A fair casino should apply its rules before the game, not after the player wins.
If the use of a third-party Skrill account was strictly prohibited, the deposit should never have been accepted in the first place. or RETURNED at the moement The system accepted the £500 deposit instantly, allowed me to play and lose or win money freely, and i was losing they didnt intervene.. until the withdrawal is asked. FAIR OR UNFAIR , NORMAL OR NOT ? IN Your hands dear radka
Zdravo.
Vidim zašto se osećaš frustrirano. Zaista može biti nepravedno kada poštuješ pravila onako kako ih ti razumeš i iznenada se suočiš sa zabranom nakon pobede. Tvoja osećanja su, naravno, potpuno opravdana.
Evo nezgodnog dela iz perspektive kazina:
Korišćenje metode plaćanja treće strane zaista se smatra ozbiljnim kršenjem njihovih pravila. Kazina ovo strogo sprovode kako bi sprečili prevaru, pranje novca ili druge bezbednosne rizike, jer ne mogu da vas i vašu aktivnost provere „licem u lice", pa se oslanjaju na KYC i druge istrage. Čak i ako ste delovali pošteno i pošteno pobedili, sistem mora da poštuje njegove uslove.
Možda deluje čudno što je vaš depozit prihvaćen i što ste mogli slobodno da igrate. Nažalost, kazina često otkrivaju ove probleme tokom verifikacije, što se obično dešava u fazi povlačenja novca. Zato se to pojavilo tek nakon što ste pokušali da unovčite novac.
Dakle, je li to fer?
Iz tvoje perspektive, odgovor je verovatno ne.
Sa stanovišta kazina, to je standardna procedura da zaštite sebe i druge igrače. Ključna lekcija je da kazina mogu retroaktivno da primenjuju pravila ako pronađu kršenje, čak i ako je sama igra bila fer.
Znam da je ovo razočaravajuće i da se emocionalno ne čini fer. Postupili ste u dobroj veri, ali pravila o plaćanjima trećim licima se obično tretiraju kao nepregovarajuća.
Nadam se da vam je ovo malo pomoglo da sagledate obe strane, vaša pobeda je bila poštena, ali pravila naloga su stroga i kazino je u okviru svojih prava.
Ako više volite zvaničnu diskusiju, rekao bih da bi optimalan način delovanja mogao biti kontaktiranje organa za licenciranje.
Hello.
I see why you feel frustrated. It really can feel unfair when you follow the rules as you understand them and suddenly face a ban after winning. Your feelings are completely valid, of course.
Here’s the tricky part from a casino’s perspective:
Using a third-party payment method is indeed considered a serious violation of their rules. Casinos enforce this strictly to prevent fraud, money laundering, or other security risks, because they can't verify you and your activity "face to face," hence relying on KYC and other investigations. Even if you acted honestly and won fairly, the system has to follow its terms.
It might seem strange that your deposit was accepted and you could play freely. Unfortunately, casinos often detect these issues during verification, which usually happens at the withdrawal stage. That’s why it only came up after you tried to cash out.
So, is it fair?
From your perspective, the answer is probably no.
From the casino’s point of view, it is standard procedure to protect themselves and other players. The key lesson is that casinos can enforce rules retroactively if they find a breach, even if the gameplay itself was fair.
I know this is disappointing, and it doesn’t feel fair emotionally. You acted in good faith, but rules about third-party payments are usually treated as non-negotiable.
Hope that helps you see both sides a little, your win was fair, but the account rules are strict and the casino is within its rights.
If you prefer an official discussion, reaching out to the licensing authority could be the optimal course of action, I'd say.
Iskreno, potpuno ste u pravu. Podneću žalbu regulatoru, MGA. Njihovo ponašanje nema smisla, jer da sam igrao istih 10 puta i izgubio — što se desilo — nikada ne bi ništa rekli. Jednostavno bi uzeli moj novac i smatrali sve normalnim.
Ali čim počnem da pobeđujem, odjednom odbijaju da mi plate. To je potpuno nelogično i nepravedno.
Prema pravilima samog MGA, operater mora da proveri depozite igrača pre nego što ih prihvati, a oni to očigledno nisu učinili. Dozvolili su mi da slobodno uplaćujem depozit i igram, i tek kada sam pobedio, odlučili su da to dovedu u pitanje. To nije način na koji bi licencirani operater trebalo da se ponaša.
Honestly, you're absolutely right. I’m going to file a complaint with the regulator, the MGA. Their behaviour makes no sense, because if I had played the same 10 times and lost — which has happened — they would never have said anything. They would simply have taken my money and considered everything normal.
But the moment I start winning, suddenly they refuse to pay me. That is completely illogical and unfair.
According to MGA’s own rules, the operator must verify players’ deposits before accepting them, and they clearly failed to do so. They allowed me to deposit and play freely, and only when I won did they decide to question it. That is not how a licensed operator is supposed to act.
Zdravo ponovo,
Ako smem da budem iskren, nisam uveren da me dobro razumete. Takođe ne verujem da će vas MGA podržati.
Razumem zašto to tako vidiš, ali upravo tu stvari postaju malo komplikovanije.
Sa tvoje strane, zaista se čini kao da su reagovali samo zato što si ti pobedio. Razumem taj osećaj. Ali to je samo osećaj, bojim se.
Sa strane kazina situacija izgleda drugačije. Korišćenje načina plaćanja koji nije vaš tretira se kao veliko kršenje pravila i kazinima je dozvoljeno da reaguju čim ga otkriju. I da, često ga otkriju tek tokom verifikacije, što se obično dešava kada igrač zatraži isplatu. Nije idealno, ali je uobičajena praksa u celoj industriji.
Što se tiče MGA pravila, nije zapravo potrebno da kazino u potpunosti verifikuje svaki depozit pre igre. Ono što moraju da urade jeste da verifikuju igrača u nekom trenutku, a to im je dozvoljeno prilikom isplate. Zato je ovakva situacija nažalost moguća.
Dakle, potpuno razumem zašto smatrate da je to nepravedno. Ali prekršili ste pravila; ne zaboravite to, molim vas.
Usuđujem se reći da, sa regulatorne i operativne perspektive, kazino poštuje pravilo koje se svuda shvata veoma ozbiljno.
Ne kažem da si išta uradio sa lošim namerama. Pokušao si sam da rešiš svoj problem sa plaćanjem i igrao si pošteno.
Ali korišćenje tuđeg Skrila krši jedno od najstrožih pravila i kazinu je dozvoljeno da zbog toga otkaže dobitke.
Nadam se da vam ovo daje jasniju sliku.
Hi again,
If I may be honest, I'm not convinced you understand me well. I also do not believe the MGA will support you.
I get why you see it that way, but this is exactly where things get a bit more complicated.
On your side, it really feels like they only reacted because you won. I understand that feeling. But that is just a feeling, I'm afraid.
From the casino’s side the situation looks different. Using a payment method that is not yours is treated as a major breach and casinos are allowed to act on it the moment they discover it. And yes, they often only detect it during verification, which usually happens when the player asks for a withdrawal. It is not ideal, but it is common practice across the industry.
About MGA rules, it is not actually required that the casino fully verifies every single deposit before play. What they must do is verify the player at some point, and they are allowed to do that at withdrawal. That is why this kind of situation is unfortunately possible.
So I completely understand why you feel it is unfair. But you have broken the rules; do not forget that, please.
I dare to say that, from the regulatory and operational perspective, the casino is following a rule that is taken very seriously everywhere.
I am not saying you did anything with bad intentions. You tried to solve your own payment issue and played honestly.
But using someone else’s Skrill breaks one of the strictest rules and the casino is allowed to cancel winnings because of that.
I hope this gives you a clearer picture.
Pogledajte zvanična dokumenta UKGC-a, Komisije za kockanje Ujedinjenog Kraljevstva.
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/blog/post/key-issues-and-our-expectations-concerning-account-withdrawals
Pogledajte odeljak o metodama plaćanja trećih strana:
Lekcije za operatere
Ako su operateri objavili uslove koji sprečavaju finansiranje od strane treće strane i tamo gde postoji sumnja da je račun finansiran od strane treće strane, trebalo bi da obezbede da se svaka istraga sprovede brzo i da se ne odlaže dok se ne podnese zahtev za povlačenje sredstava. Smatramo da je nepravedno prema kupcima ako operateri prihvataju depozite iz izvora koji bi mogli da krše uslove operatera i poravnavaju sve gubitničke opklade iz takvih depozita, ali se onda raspituju o korišćenom načinu plaćanja tek kada – i ako – se podnese zahtev za povlačenje sredstava.
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Take a look at the official documents from UKGC, the UK Gambling Commission.
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/blog/post/key-issues-and-our-expectations-concerning-account-withdrawals
See the section on third-party payment methods:
Lessons for operators
If operators have published terms that prevent third party funding, and where there is suspicion that an account may be funded by a third party, they should ensure that any investigation is conducted promptly and is not delayed until a withdrawal request is made. We consider it unfair to customers if operators accept deposits from sources that might breach the operator’s terms, and settle any losing bets from such deposits, but then only make enquiries about the payment method used when – and if – a withdrawal request is made.
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Vidim. Hvala vam.
Evo u čemu je stvar:
1) Tekst UKGC koji ste citirali je smernica, a ne obavezujuće pravilo. Je l' tako?
Govori operaterima šta treba da urade da bi poboljšali korisničko iskustvo, a ne šta moraju da urade po zakonu.
2) Ne piše da su plaćanja trećih lica prihvatljiva.
Čak i u samom pasusu koji ste podelili, pretpostavka je da je finansiranje treće strane kršenje uslova. Taj deo se nigde ne dovodi u pitanje.
3) Vreme istrage ne menja ishod.
Čak i ako operater proveri sa zakašnjenjem, kada potvrdi da način plaćanja nije vaš, dozvoljeno mu je da poništi dobitke. UKGC i MGA ovo tretiraju kao strogo kršenje propisa.
4) Regulatori gledaju na sam prekršaj, a ne na to kada ga je kazino primetio.
Koristili ste način plaćanja koji nije vaš — i to je jedina činjenica na kojoj će regulator zasnivati svoju odluku.
5) Razumem zašto se emocionalno oseća nepravedno, ali sa regulatorne perspektive, vaš argument ne menja suštinu problema.
Koliko ja znam, operater i dalje ima pravo da otkaže dobitke zbog plaćanja treće strane.
Preporučujem da se ovo pitanje reši direktno sa dobavljačem licence; pretpostavljam da jednostavno citiranje opštih smernica neće biti dovoljno.
I see. Thank you.
Here’s the thing:
1) The UKGC text you quoted is guidance, not a binding rule. Right?
It tells operators what they should do to improve customer experience, not what they must do by law.
2) It does not say that third-party payments are acceptable.
Even in the exact paragraph you shared, the assumption is that third-party funding is a breach of the terms. That part is not in question anywhere.
3) The timing of the investigation doesn’t change the outcome.
Even if an operator checks it late, once they confirm the payment method isn’t yours, they are allowed to void winnings. UKGC and MGA both treat this as a strict violation.
4) Regulators look at the breach itself, not at when the casino noticed it.
You used a payment method that wasn’t yours—and that single fact is what the regulator will base their decision on.
5) I understand why it feels unfair emotionally, but from a regulatory perspective, your argument doesn’t change the core issue.
As far as I know, the operator is still entitled to cancel the winnings because of the third-party payment.
I recommend addressing this issue directly with the license provider; simply quoting general guidelines won't suffice, I guess.
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