I had a successful chargeback for Webmosac through Monzo a while back, going down the goods not received route. Was only about £100 though
Ah nice one, thanks for confirming.
Yeah I've got circa 50 transactions with this merchant, given how much of a ballache Monzo are I'm going to try and phone up and get someone specifically lined up to process them as a batch for me. They'll probably tell me to fuck off but will see how it goes 😂
I’ve been following this thread for a long time. What are the possible consequences of a chargeback when the goods (or service) weren’t delivered? A friend of mine actually got almost all his money back. Isn’t it kind of careless from the casinos to still allow Mastercard deposits like that? I’m also wondering the same thing when it comes to Bwin – they’re being forced to pay millions for offering gambling services in countries where it’s illegal, yet they keep doing it!
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I’ve been following this thread for a long time. What are the possible consequences of a chargeback when the goods (or service) weren’t delivered? A friend of mine actually got almost all his money back. Isn’t it kind of careless from the casinos to still allow Mastercard deposits like that? I’m also wondering the same thing when it comes to Bwin – they’re being forced to pay millions for offering gambling services in countries where it’s illegal, yet they keep doing it!
Its not careless - it is direct fraud. They manage to get so many players from big markets like the UK/EU and the majority will not end in chargebacks so they continue. Until Mastercard/VISA remove the services and stop the casinos themselves being able to use these methods then it's going to continue.
Because that is how Mastercard set their terms for chargebacks, annoyingly.
I have had this problem with my bank. I disputed a load of transactions as goods not received, but the bank came bank to me and said that they had investigated the transactions and decided they were gambling payments. In order to do this, they must either track the transactions from us > 3rd party merchant > casino or as I supect to be the case, they are checking in on this thread, trustpilot and sharing data.
Which, if that is the case, means they are more than capable of blocking the transactions or recouping our money by charging back as good not received.
However, Mastercard are quite clear that transactions for gambling are not eligble for chargebacks unless the money doesn't arrive in your account.
This is where Mastercard have to be clear and kind of are in their T&Cs - gambling is only legible under code 7995. Pretty sure they have stated this as well at one point. There is a definite misinterpretation by these ebanks on this one.
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Koliko sam video, banka to zna, ali ne mogu da dokažu da je to za plaćanja od kockanja.
U početku je Revolut odbio moje sporove jer su dolazili sa platformi za kockanje. Nakon mnogo insistiranja, dali su mi MCC-ove i nijedan od njih nije bio za kockanje. Zatim se verzija promenila tako da je pisalo da platforma za kartice nije zasnovana isključivo na MCC-u.
Sada su ponovo otvorili spor i analiziraju ga.
Mislim da je najbolja opcija da kažete da ste želeli da uplatite novac kazinu, ali da vam je drugi trgovac naplatio novac, a vi ne znate ko je to i da niste ništa dobili od njih.
Zakonski moraju da pokrenu povraćaj sredstava jer trgovac nema MCC za igru bez obzira šta oni kažu.
Good luck mate. They really are absolutely horrendous to deal with. Not sure if maybe it’s worth disputing one transaction from the merchant first, getting that accepted, and then using that as a precedent to get the rest accepted all at once? Wish id gone about it that way tbh.
What evidence are you going to give them?
Have you got information of these companies??
I've a situation with ....bet.com based in caracao, where I requested receipts and transaction statement for 2024. I was directed to their payment agent(AML tech solutions). They provided a transaction that had minimal bets in December amounting to e10. The payment agent said that was all my transactions in 2024. I deposited over €25k in 2024 and have provided my revolut statements to them. No response from payments agent or gambling company. The gambling company only give access to the last 30 days transactions in your account, which seems crazy. Revolut have refused to provide MMC either for any of the 40+ transactions. What is the best course of action?
Anyone had any dealings with Bilucky, or have any contact details for them or their payment processors?
I've a situation with ....bet.com based in caracao, where I requested receipts and transaction statement for 2024. I was directed to their payment agent(AML tech solutions). They provided a transaction that had minimal bets in December amounting to e10. The payment agent said that was all my transactions in 2024. I deposited over €25k in 2024 and have provided my revolut statements to them. No response from payments agent or gambling company. The gambling company only give access to the last 30 days transactions in your account, which seems crazy. Revolut have refused to provide MMC either for any of the 40+ transactions. What is the best course of action?
Vršite veći pritisak na Revolut, u Španiji su po zakonu obavezni da dostave MCC, trebalo mi je vremena, ali na kraju su mi rekli.
Koristite ChatGPT za pisanje tekstova i fokusirajte ih na pravni smisao. Na kraju će vam reći MCC.
Yeah, the convo I had with Starling was that because they had determined the final destination of the funds was intended as gambling, then the mcc code is irrelevant and the rule still applies.
Yeah, the convo I had with Starling was that because they had determined the final destination of the funds was intended as gambling, then the mcc code is irrelevant and the rule still applies.
Doesn't matter a jot mate - Mastercard rules dictate what is and isn't gambling and it's their network. By not allowing the disputes banks are actively involved in the laundering of money for criminal organisations.
Možete li mi dati vašu imejl adresu? I ja sam iz Španije. Da vidimo da li možemo jedni drugima pomoći. Hvala.
Mislim da je više banka ta koja odbija da pokrene povraćaj novca nego Masterkard.
Banka pokušava da izbegne povraćaj novca govoreći da je to zbog kockanja, a siguran sam da su mnogi od nas rekli da je glavna ideja bila da se uplati u kazino ili slično.
Ali prema zakonu, naplate su od normalnih preduzeća, tako da bi vršenjem velikog pritiska ili prijavljivanjem, siguran sam da bi morali da pokrenu povraćaj sredstava.
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Mislim da je više banka ta koja odbija da pokrene povraćaj novca nego Masterkard.
Banka pokušava da izbegne povraćaj novca govoreći da je to zbog kockanja, a siguran sam da su mnogi od nas rekli da je glavna ideja bila da se uplati u kazino ili slično.
Ali prema zakonu, naplate su od normalnih preduzeća, tako da bi vršenjem velikog pritiska ili prijavljivanjem, siguran sam da bi morali da pokrenu povraćaj sredstava.
Zdravo druže,
Potpuno ste u pravu – banke često blokiraju povraćaj sredstava, tvrdeći da je to kockanje. Ali istina je sledeća: to nisu pravi sajtovi za kockanje; to su prevarne platforme koje mame ljude, a zatim blokiraju naloge ili odbijaju da isplate dobitke. To nije kockanje – to je prevara.
Pravni argument je dobar. Trgovci koji obrađuju plaćanja nisu čak ni kodirani kao sajtovi za kockanje, a nije primljena nikakva roba ili usluge. Ovo se savršeno uklapa u slučaj obmane ili neisporuke, što su valjani razlozi za povraćaj sredstava prema pravilima Vise i Masterkarda.
Već sam izgradio jake slučajeve sa dokazima. Ako i vi radite isto, možemo se povezati i deliti informacije. Možete mi pisati bezbedno na Drago mi je da pomognem na bilo koji način.
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