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National Casino - Igračeva povlačenja se konfiskuju.
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Igrač je prestao odgovarati
Iznos:
800 €
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The player from Greece had a problem with an €800 withdrawal being withheld by the casino, even though the winnings had been generated from his own deposited funds before using any bonuses. After submitting KYC verification and having his account verified, he argued that confiscating the funds was unfair and requested the release of his €800 winnings. The casino claimed the player had breached terms by placing bets above the maximum allowed limit during active bonus play, which led to the confiscation of winnings. Due to the player's lack of response to further inquiries, the complaint was closed by the Complaints Team without resolution.
Igrač iz Grčke imao je problem sa zadržavanjem 800 evra od strane kazina, iako je dobitak generisan iz njegovih sopstvenih deponovanih sredstava pre korišćenja bilo kakvih bonusa. Nakon što je podneo KYC verifikaciju i verifikovao svoj nalog, tvrdio je da je konfiskacija sredstava bila nepravedna i zatražio je isplatu svog dobitka od 800 evra. Kazino je tvrdio da je igrač prekršio uslove klađenjem iznad maksimalno dozvoljenog limita tokom aktivne bonus igre, što je dovelo do konfiskacije dobitka. Zbog igračevog nedostatka odgovora na dalja pitanja, žalbu je zatvorio Tim za žalbe bez rešenja.
Uplatio sam depozit i igrao koristeći svoja sredstva bez ikakvog bonusa na depozit. Osvojio sam približno 1000 evra i odmah zatražio isplatu.
U tom trenutku sredstva su već bila u procesu povlačenja kada sam kasnije iskoristio besplatne okrete koje je kazino nudio.
Kazino je potom otkazao isplatu zbog zahteva za KYC verifikaciju. Nakon što sam podneo tražena dokumenta i moj račun je verifikovan, zatražio sam još jednu isplatu od 800 evra.
Kazino sada zadržava 800 evra iako su ovi dobici u potpunosti generisani iz mojih sopstvenih deponovanih sredstava pre nego što je iskorišćen bilo kakav bonus.
Jedina sredstva koja se razumno mogu povezati sa bonusom su 200 evra generisanih od besplatnih okretaja, za koje razumem da mogu biti predmet uslova bonusa.
Međutim, 800 evra potiče od igranja za pravi novac i već je bilo u povlačenju pre nego što je bilo koji bonus aktiviran. Stoga je konfiskacija ovih sredstava nepravedna i neopravdana.
Molim za isplatu 800 evra koje sam osvojio svojim depozitom
I deposited and played using my own funds without any deposit bonus. I won approximately €1000 and immediately requested a withdrawal.
At that moment the funds were already in withdrawal processing when I later used free spins that were offered by the casino.
The withdrawal was then cancelled by the casino due to KYC verification requirements. After I submitted the requested documents and my account was verified, I requested another withdrawal of €800.
The casino is now withholding €800 even though these winnings were generated entirely from my own deposited funds before any bonus was used.
The only funds that may reasonably be related to the bonus are the €200 generated from the free spins, which I understand could be subject to bonus terms.
However, the €800 originates from real money gameplay and was already in withdrawal before any bonus was activated. Therefore confiscating these funds is unfair and unjustified.
I request the release of the €800 that were won with my own deposit
Casino Guru nikada neće tražiti uplate ili pristup Vašem nalogu da bi se kompletirala KYC procedura. Ukoliko neko tvrdi da je iz našeg tima i traži nešto slično, nemojte deliti svoje lične informacije.
Mi isključivo kontaktiramo igrače kroz oficijalni kanal za prigovore ili putem @casino.guru e-mail adrese. Uvek proverite domen pošiljaoca i proverite email adresu tako što ćete kliknuti na avatar koji se vidi u okviru kanala za prigovore.
Ako Vam nešto izgleda sumnjivo, kontaktirajte nas direktno.
Ponašajte se odgovorno.
Important notice:
Casino Guru will never ask for payments or access to your accounts to complete KYC. If someone claims to be from Casino Guru and does that, do not share any information.
We only contact players through this official complaint thread or via @casino.guru e-mail addresses. Always check the sender’s domain and verify your complaint resolver’s e-mail address by clicking on their avatar visible inside the official complaint thread.
If anything seems suspicious, contact us directly.
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Žao mi je što ste imali negativno iskustvo sa National Casino-om.
Dozvolite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja kako bih bolje razumeo situaciju.
Da li ste igrali sa besplatnim okretajima pre nego što ste igrali sa pravim novcem ili posle?
Da li dobro razumem da je bonus sa kojim ste igrali nakon što ste zahtevali isplatu bili besplatni okreti koji su bili deo bonusa na depozit?
Da li je vaš igrački nalog verifikovan?
Možete li, molim vas, podeliti sa mnom vašu komunikaciju sa kazinom u vezi sa problemom? Pošaljite imejlove ili transkripte ćaskanja na moju imejl adresu tomas@casino.guru ili postavite snimke ekrana ovde
Nadam se da ćemo moći da vam pomognemo da rešite ovaj problem što je pre moguće. Unapred vam hvala na odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Hello,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with National Casino.
Please allow me to ask you a few questions so I can better understand the situation.
Have you played with the free spins before playing with the real money balance or after?
Do I understand correctly that the bonus you played with after requesting the payout was the free spins that were part of the deposit bonus?
Is your player's account verified?
Could you please share with me your communication with the casino regarding the issue? Send emails or chat transcripts to my email at tomas@casino.guru, or post screenshots here
I hope we will be able to help you resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Hvala vam na odgovoru i što ste razmotrili moju žalbu.
Igrao sam sa besplatnim okretajima nakon što sam već završio sa igranjem sa svojim pravim novcem i nakon što sam zatražio povlačenje 1000 evra.
Besplatni okreti nisu korišćeni pre ili tokom moje igre za pravi novac. Koristio sam ih tek nakon što sam podneo zahtev za isplatu.
Da, moj nalog je sada u potpunosti verifikovan. Kazino je prvobitno otkazao prvo povlačenje jer su zahtevali verifikaciju identiteta. Nakon što sam podneo svoja dokumenta, moj nalog je uspešno verifikovan.
Prilažem e-mail komunikaciju sa kazinom u vezi sa ovim problemom, kao i snimke ekrana zahteva za povlačenje i njihovog konačnog odgovora.
Da pojasnim, dobitak od 1000 evra je u potpunosti generisan iz mojih sopstvenih deponovanih sredstava bez korišćenja bonusa na depozit. Besplatni okreti su iskorišćeni tek nakon što je isplata već zatražena.
Stoga, smatram da bi trebalo isplatiti zadržanih 800 evra, jer ovi dobici nisu ostvareni iz bonus sredstava.
Hvala vam još jednom na pomoći.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Marios *****
Hello Tomas,
Thank you for your response and for reviewing my complaint.
I played with the free spins after I had already finished playing with my real money balance and after I had requested the withdrawal of €1000.
The free spins were not used before or during my real money gameplay. I used them only after submitting the withdrawal request.
Yes, my account is now fully verified. The casino initially cancelled the first withdrawal because they required identity verification. After I submitted my documents, my account was successfully verified.
I am attaching the email communication with the casino regarding this issue as well as screenshots of the withdrawal request and their final response.
To clarify, the €1000 winnings were generated entirely from my own deposited funds without using any deposit bonus. The free spins were used only after the withdrawal had already been requested.
Therefore, I believe the €800 that were withheld should be paid, as these winnings were not generated from bonus funds.
Želeli bi da vas obavestimo da zbog činjenice da je Tomas, vaš rešavalac prigovora, na odmoru, moramo da produžimo vreme rešavanja za dodatnih 7 dana. Pošto Tomas ima najviše informacija oko vaše situacije i ima direktnu komunikaciju sa kazinom, smatramo da je ovo produženje opravdano. Vaše strpljenje je će se isplatiti i uveravamo vas da će vas Tomas kontaktirati što pre.
Hvala na razumevanju i strpljenju.
Pozdrav, Casino Guru
Hello Sakellaris2003,
We would like to update you that due to Tomas, your designated resolver, being on vacation, we have opted to extend the timeline by an additional 7 days. Since Tomas has an in-depth understanding of your situation and maintains direct communication with the casino, we find this extension justified. Your patience is sincerely appreciated, and I assure you that Tomas will contact you at the earliest opportunity.
Thank you for your understanding and ongoing patience.
Želeo bih da razjasnim da sam besplatne okrete dobio tokom igranja, ali sam ih iskoristio tek nakon što sam već podneo zahtev za isplatu.
Dostaviću snimak ekrana koji prikazuje tačno vreme kada sam zatražio povlačenje, kako bi se redosled događaja mogao jasno proveriti.
Dodatno, želeo bih da napomenem da u istoriji bonusa nije prikazan datum ili vremenska oznaka, tako da nije moguće utvrditi kada je tačno bonus iskorišćen na osnovu tog zapisa.
Hvala vam na pomoći.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Marios ****
Hello Tomas,
Thank you for your response.
I would like to clarify that I received the free spins during my gameplay, but I used them only after I had already submitted my withdrawal request.
I will provide a screenshot showing the exact time when I requested the withdrawal, so the sequence of events can be clearly verified.
Additionally, I would like to mention that in the bonus history there is no date or timestamp displayed, so it is not possible to determine when exactly the bonus was used based on that record.
Hvala vam na saradnji i što ste nam pružili sve potrebne informacije. Zaista cenim vreme i trud koji ste uložili da sve do sada podelite sa nama.
Vaša žalba će sada preći u sledeću fazu našeg procesa i njome će se baviti vaš dodeljeni rešavač, Martin ( martin.l@casino.guru ). Ovo je standardni korak u našoj proceduri, jer će Rezolver direktno preuzeti komunikaciju sa kazinom i upravljati vašim slučajem od ove tačke pa nadalje.
Trenutno nije potrebna nikakva akcija od vas. Vaš rešavač će vas kontaktirati putem ove teme ako budu potrebni dodatni detalji. Možete biti sigurni da je vaš slučaj u veoma sposobnim rukama.
Želim vam puno sreće i nadam se da će vaš slučaj uskoro biti rešen na vaše zadovoljstvo.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Dear Sakellaris2003,
Thank you for your cooperation and for providing all the necessary information. I truly appreciate the time and effort you’ve taken to share everything with us so far.
Your complaint will now move to the next stage of our process and be handled by your dedicated Resolver, Martin (martin.l@casino.guru). This is a standard step in our procedure, as the Resolver will take over communication with the casino directly and manage your case from this point onward.
No action is required from you right now. Your Resolver will reach out through this thread if any additional details are needed. You can rest assured that your case is in very capable hands.
I wish you the best of luck and hope your case will be resolved to your satisfaction soon.
Žao mi je što čujem za vaše probleme. Ja sam Martin i od sada ću se baviti vašom žalbom. Možete li, molim vas, potvrditi koji ste bonus besplatnih okretaja zatražili? Da li mu se može pristupiti posetom sajta ili je to bila posebna ponuda? Takođe bih želeo da pozovem predstavnika Nacionalnog kazina da se uključi u diskusiju.
Poštovani predstavniku kazina,
Možete li, molim vas, proveriti slučaj i objasniti nam stvar? Unapred vam hvala što ste nam pružili svoje viđenje problema.
Hello Sakellaris2003,
I am sorry to hear about your troubles. I am Martin and I will be taking care of your complaint from now on. Could you please confirm which free spin bonus you have claimed? Can it be accessed by visiting the site or was it a special offer? I would also like to invite the National Casino representative to enter the discussion.
Dear casino representative,
could you please check the case and explain the matter to us? Thank you in advance for providing us with your view of the issue.
Ljubazno bismo želeli da pojasnimo da je ovaj slučaj već pažljivo pregledao nadležni tim. Na osnovu rezultata istrage, potvrđeno je da je igrač prekršio naše Uslove i odredbe klađenjem iznad maksimalno dozvoljenog limita dok je aktivni bonus bio u upotrebi.
Kao što je navedeno u našim bonus pravilima, prekoračenje maksimalno dozvoljene opklade tokom aktivne bonus igre dovodi do konfiskacije dobitaka ostvarenih kršenjem tih uslova. Igrač je već dobio detaljno objašnjenje ove odluke, zajedno sa relevantnim informacijama u vezi sa važećim pravilom.
Uzimajući u obzir gore navedeno, slučaj se smatra rešenim sa naše strane i neće biti izvršen povraćaj novca.
Uzimajući u obzir gore navedeno, ljubazno potvrđujemo da prvobitna odluka ostaje na snazi i, nažalost, u ovom slučaju ne može biti povraćaja novca.
Hello,
Thank you for your message.
We would like to kindly clarify that this case has already been carefully reviewed by the relevant team. Based on the investigation results, it was confirmed that the player breached our Terms and Conditions by placing bets above the maximum allowed limit while an active bonus was in use.
As outlined in our bonus rules, exceeding the maximum permitted bet during active bonus play leads to the confiscation of winnings obtained in breach of those conditions. The player has already received a detailed explanation of this decision, together with the relevant information regarding the applicable rule.
In view of the above, the case is considered resolved from our side, and no refund will be issued.
Taking the above into account, we kindly confirm that the original decision remains in place and, unfortunately, no refund can be provided in this case.
Sa žaljenjem vas obaveštavamo da, zbog nedostatka odgovora igrača na naše poruke, upite i podsetnike, trenutno nismo u mogućnosti da nastavimo sa daljom istragom ili da ponudimo potencijalna rešenja. Zbog toga, moramo za sada da zatvorimo ovu žalbu.
Međutim, imajte u vidu da igrač zadržava mogućnost da ponovo pokrene ovu žalbu u bilo kom trenutku u budućnosti ukoliko odluči da nastavi komunikaciju. Ostajemo otvoreni i spremni da pomognemo u rešavanju problema ukoliko igrač odluči da nas ponovo kontaktira.
Hvala vam na razumevanju.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Martin
Kazino Guru
We regret to inform you that, due to the lack of response from the player to our messages, inquiries, and reminder, we are unable to proceed with further investigation or provide potential solutions at this time. As a result, we must close this complaint for the moment.
However, please note that the player retains the option to reopen this complaint at any time in the future should they choose to resume communication. We remain open and ready to assist in resolving the matter should the player decide to reach out again.
Thank you for your understanding.
Best regards,
Martin
Casino.Guru
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