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Dragi Bird1234 , ovde iznosiš neke valjane argumente. Pročitao sam stranicu kazina o odgovornom kockanju, njihove uslove i odredbe i mogu reći da ovo nije kazino koji ozbiljno shvata zaštitu igrača. Casino Guru posluje na pretpostavci da igrači obično ne čitaju uslove i informativne stranice unapred, stoga nisu svesni mnogih znakova upozorenja pre nego što se registruju. Što se mene lično tiče, da sam pročitao da kazino ima 10 radnih dana da ispuni zahtev za samoisključenje, ne bih se registrovao, jer je kod zavisnosti od kockanja vreme od suštinskog značaja i takvih zahteva se mora što pre poštovati. Sa uslovima i načinom na koji je napisana politika samoisključenja, nejasnoćom uslova u vezi sa zavisnošću od kockanja, ovo nije mesto gde bih očekivao vrhunsku uslugu.
Uz to rečeno, na stranici o odgovornom kockanju se navodi da ako osećate da imate poteškoća, trebalo bi da obavestite tim za podršku. Da li ste to uradili? Da li ste kontaktirali tim za podršku i obavestili ih o rezultatima vašeg testa samoprocene? Da li ste otvoreno izjavili zavisnost ili gubitak kontrole timu za podršku putem e-pošte? Ako niste, onda ne možemo svu krivicu svaliti na kazino.
Odgovor na vaše pitanje „kako da znam ovo" nije tako jednostavan. Mnogi visoko rangirani kazina jasno navode šta treba učiniti da bi se brzo samoisključili na svojoj veb stranici, na stranici Odgovorno kockanje. Oni objašnjavaju kako da se prijavite i šta treba navesti u poruci. Moj kontraargument bi bio: „Zašto ne biste obavestili kazino o svojim problemima?" Niko ne može da vam čita misli, a ako ne pozovete pomoć i niste otvoreni o svojim problemima, svi će pretpostaviti da je sve u redu. Zatražili ste samoisključenje, ali ga niste potkrepili razlogom, pa bi osoblje kazina to tretiralo kao zatvaranje naloga. Ne kažem da je idealno, ali kazino je posao, a posao se svodi na zarađivanje novca. Uvek će pretpostaviti da je sa igračem sve u redu, kao što možete videti iz bezbroj slučajeva širom interneta. Da li je to fer ili ne, to je za drugu diskusiju.
Što se tiče postavljanja ograničenja i traženja samoisključenja, nažalost, ovo više nije jak pokazatelj, a to je zbog ponašanja igrača. Mnogi igrači koriste samoisključenje kao reč za zatvaranje naloga, jer misle da zvuči ozbiljnije. Mnogi igrači se samoisključuju nakon velikog gubitka jer su ljuti, a zatim traže ponovno otvaranje kada bes prođe i žele da nastave da igraju. Takođe postoji mnogo igrača koji imaju podešena različita ograničenja ne zato što imaju zavisnost od kockanja, već da bi izbegli da urade nešto glupo. Uprkos uslovima koji jasno navode da igrači ne bi trebalo da igraju dok su pijani, svi znamo da mnogi ljudi popiju nekoliko pića (ili nešto drugo) dok se kockaju, nego što potroše više novca nego što bi normalno. Zato oni nameću ograničenja na svoj nalog, kao što su ograničenja depozita ili ograničenja tajm-auta tokom vikenda ili na dan kada su plaćeni, kako bi bili sigurni da više neće učiniti ništa glupo. Takvi igrači nisu zavisnici i mogu funkcionisati ovako uživajući u kazino igri bez potrebe da brinu o promašaju u (zamagljenoj) proceni.
Gore navedeno je glavni razlog zašto mi, u Casino Guru-u, zahtevamo od igrača da jasno navedu zavisnost kao razlog za zatvaranje naloga, kako bismo osigurali da ne postoji mogućnost pogrešnog razumevanja poruke. Kazino će uvek pretpostaviti da igrač nije zavisan, stoga je jasna izjava izuzetno neophodna, kako bi se izbegla svaka sumnja.
Razumem da za nekoga ko ne radi u industriji ili unutar nje, mnoge od ovih stvari možda nisu intuitivne, čak i skrivene i deluju nepravedno (neke zaista jesu nepravedne). Zato je informacija ključna i kao i u svakom aspektu života gde je u pitanju novac - potrebno je da se upoznate sa tim šta se dešava. Mogao bih da tvrdim da na isti način kao što biste pročitali ceo ugovor o radu ili ugovor o bankovnom kreditu pre nego što ga potpišete, igrači treba da pročitaju uslove i odredbe, stranicu o odgovornom kockanju, pa tek onda da se registruju za kazino nalog. Pogotovo danas kada veštačka inteligencija može da pročita uslove umesto njih i istakne problematične ili potencijalno opasne odredbe. Kažete da niste znali, kazino će tvrditi da ste mogli da pročitate njihove uslove ili da pitate podršku. A pitanje ko je u pravu, a ko je kriv je takođe za drugu, posebnu diskusiju.
Još jednom - zbog gore navedenog, neću moći da zahtevam povraćaj novca za vas. A pošto je nalog zatvoren, ne mogu više ništa da uradim u vaše ime.
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Zbog gore navedenih razloga, sada ću odbaciti ovu žalbu. Hvala vam na razumevanju. Iskreno mi je žao što nismo bili u mogućnosti da vam efikasnije pomognemo u ovoj konkretnoj situaciji, jer uvek težimo da pomognemo igračima da reše svoje probleme kad god je to moguće.
Molimo vas da imate u vidu da nas možete ponovo kontaktirati ako naiđete na bilo kakve probleme sa ovim ili bilo kojim drugim kazinom u budućnosti. Bilo da je u pitanju pitanje, nedoumica ili novi problem koji treba ispitati, naš tim je tu i spreman da vam pomogne.
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Srdačno,
Matej
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Dear Bird1234, you are raising some valid points here. I have read through the casino's responsible gambling page, their T&Cs and I can tell this is not a casino that takes player protection seriously. Casino Guru operates on the premise that players usually don't read terms and info pages beforehand, therefore are unaware of many warning signs before signing up. For me personally, if I have read that the casino has 10 business days to comply with the self-exclusion request, I would not sign up, as with gambling addiction time is of the essence and such requests needs to be adhered to ASAP. With the terms and how the self-exclusion policy is written, the vagueness of the terms in regards to gambling addiction, this is not the place where I would expect stellar service.
With that being said, the responsible gambling page does state, that if you feel like you are struggling, you should inform the support team. Have you done that? Have you contacted the support team, and told them about the results of your self-assessment test? Have you openly stated addiction or losing control to the support team via e-mail? If not, then we can't put the whole blame on the casino.
To answer your question about "how should I know this" is not as simple. Many high-ranked casinos clearly state what to do to get quickly self-excluded on their website, in Responsible gambling page. They outline how to apply and what to state in the message. My counter-argument would be "Why would you not inform the casino about your problems?" Nobody can read your mind, and if you do not call for help and are not open about your issues, everyone will assume all is good. You requested self-exclusion, but did not support it with the reason behind it, therefore the casino staff would treat it as an account closure. I am not saying it is ideal, but the casino is a business, and business is all about making money. They will always assume all is well with the player, as you can see from countless cases all over the internet. Whether it is fair or not is for another discussion.
As for setting up limits and asking for self-exclusion, unfortunately this is not a strong indicator anymore, and this is due to the players' behaviour. Many players use self-exclusion as a word for account closure, because they think it sounds more serious. Many players self-exclude themselves after a hefty loss because they are angry, then ask for reopening once the anger is gone and they want to resume playing. There are also many players who have various limits set up not because they have gambling addiction, but rather to avoid doing something stupid. Despite the terms clearly stating players should not play while intoxicated, we all know many people have couple of drinks (or else) while gambling, than spend more money than they would normally do. So they impose limits on their account like deposit limits, or time out limits over the weekend or on the day they get paid, to ensure they won't do anything stupid again. Such players are not addicts and can function like this enjoying casino play without the need to worry about lapse in (clouded) judgement.
The above is the main reason we, at Casino Guru, require players clearly stating addiction as a reason for account closure, to ensure there is no possibility for misunderstanding the message. The casino will always assume player is not addicted, therefore clear statement is extremely necessary, to avoid any doubt.
I understand that for someone who is not working with or within the industry many of these things may not be intuitive, even hidden and feel unfair (some really are unfair). This is why information is key and as in every aspect of life where money are involved - you need to get to know what is going on. I could argue that same way you would read your whole work contract or bank loan contract before signing it, players should read the terms and conditions, responsible gambling page, and only then sign up for casino account. Especially nowadays when AI can read the terms for them and highlight problematic, or potentially dangerous terms. You say you didn't know, the casino will argue you could read their terms, or ask the support. And questioning who is right and who is to blame is also for another, separate discussion.
Once again - due to the above, I will not be able to request a refund for you. And with the account being closed, there is nothing more I can mediate on your behalf.
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Due to the aforementioned reasons, I will now proceed to reject this complaint. Thank you for your understanding. I am genuinely sorry that we were not able to assist you more effectively in this particular situation, as we always aim to help players resolve their issues whenever possible.
Please remember that you are welcome to contact us again if you run into any problems with this or any other casino in the future. Whether it is a question, a concern or a new issue that needs to be looked into, our team is here and ready to support you.
Important note: if you still have questions or feel like I have not explained certain points clearly, please feel free to send me a message at matej.l@casino.guru and I will happily continue this discussion through e-mails.
With kind regards,
Matej
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