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The player from Ireland formally complained about the casino's failure to implement responsible gambling procedures after she had requested a permanent account closure on January 31. Her account had only been temporarily suspended, then reopened without her consent, and she was offered bonuses, which led to significant financial losses and distress. She requested refunds for her losses incurred after the closure request. After a thorough review, it was concluded that the player had not explicitly informed the casino of any gambling problems or intent to self-exclude during her closure request, despite multiple opportunities to clarify. The casino's permanent self-exclusion option had been available and could have been activated by the player at any time. Consequently, the complaint was rejected as the account had not been closed due to gambling-related issues, and reopening was permissible under the circumstances.
Igračica iz Irske se formalno žalila na nesposobnost kazina da sprovede procedure odgovornog kockanja nakon što je 31. januara zatražila trajno zatvaranje naloga. Njen nalog je samo privremeno suspendovan, a zatim ponovo otvoren bez njenog pristanka, a ponuđeni su joj bonusi, što je dovelo do značajnih finansijskih gubitaka i problema. Zatražila je povraćaj novca za gubitke nastale nakon zahteva za zatvaranje. Nakon temeljnog pregleda, zaključeno je da igračica nije eksplicitno obavestila kazino o bilo kakvim problemima sa kockanjem ili nameri da se samoisključi tokom zahteva za zatvaranje, uprkos višestrukim mogućnostima za razjašnjenje. Opcija trajnog samoisključenja kazina bila je dostupna i igračica ju je mogla aktivirati u bilo kom trenutku. Shodno tome, žalba je odbijena jer nalog nije zatvoren zbog problema vezanih za kockanje, a ponovno otvaranje je bilo dozvoljeno u datim okolnostima.
Podnosim zvaničnu žalbu u vezi sa ozbiljnim propustima u procedurama odgovornog kockanja u kazinu.
31. januara sam eksplicitno zatražio TRAJNO zatvaranje mog naloga (snimci ekrana su priloženi). Uprkos tome:
• Moj nalog je bio samo privremeno suspendovan
• Kasnije mi je bilo dozvoljeno da ga ponovo otvorim u trenutku
• Moj VIP menadžer mi je odmah ponudio bonuse na depozit
• Moja ranjivost je ignorisana
Ni u jednom trenutku nije primenjeno pravilno samoisključenje.
Umesto da me zaštite, bio sam ohrabren da nastavim da se kockam.
Ovo je direktno dovelo do teškog recidiva gde:
Uplatio sam 7.790 evra
Podignuto 4.000 evra
Neto gubitak 3.790 €
Dodatno pozajmljen novac namenjen za kiriju i osnovne troškove života, koji je takođe izgubljen.
Sada sam u ozbiljnoj finansijskoj nevolji zbog toga što kazino nije trajno zatvorio moj račun kako je traženo.
Moj VIP menadžer je aktivno odsustvovao moj nalog i promovisao bonuse nakon što sam već zatražio zatvaranje jer više nisam želeo da igram. Ovo je jasno kršenje obaveza odgovornog kockanja.
Zvanično zahtevam razmatranje povraćaja novca za gubitke nastale nakon mog zahteva za zatvaranje.
Snimci ekrana su priloženi kao dokaz. Mogu da priložim samo 5 datoteka pa sam izostavio povlačenje, ali mogu da ga dodam u komentarima.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Anka
Hello,
I am submitting a formal complaint regarding serious failures in the casino Responsible Gambling procedures.
On January 31, I explicitly requested PERMANENT closure of my account (screenshots attached). Despite this:
• My account was only temporarily suspended
• I was later allowed to reopen it in an instant
• I was immediately offered deposit bonuses by my VIP manager
• My vulnerability was ignored
At no point was proper self-exclusion applied.
Instead of protecting me, I was encouraged to continue gambling.
This directly led to a severe relapse where:
I deposited €7,790
Withdrew €4,000
Net loss €3,790
Additionally borrowed money intended for rent and essential living costs, which was also lost.
I am now in serious financial distress because of the casino's failure to permanent close my account as requested.
My VIP manager actively unsuspended my account and promoted bonuses after I had already asked to close due to not wanting to play anymore. This is a clear breach of responsible gambling obligations.
I formally request consideration of refunds for losses incurred after my closure request.
Screenshots are attached as evidence. I can only attach 5 files so I left out the withdrawal but I can add it in the comments.
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Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Veoma mi je žao zbog vašeg negativnog iskustva. Prvo, želeo bih da objasnim razliku između zatvaranja naloga i samoisključivanja:
Zatvaranje naloga je jednostavno i gotovo nema nikakav uticaj - igrač može ponovo otvoriti nalog u bilo kom trenutku , a kazino nema nikakve obaveze prema igraču.
S druge strane, samoisključenje ima uticaj. Ako igrač uspešno zatraži samoisključenje, kazino se slaže da neće ponovo otvoriti nalog, ili samo pod određenim okolnostima (nakon perioda hlađenja, a to se ne može učiniti za igrače koji su zavisni/sa problemom sa kockanjem).
Ako smatrate da postajete zavisni od kockanja, trebalo bi da razmislite o isključivanju sebe iz kockanja na našoj veb stranici, na određeno vreme ili trajno. Podešavanje samoisključenja nam daje do znanja da moramo preduzeti sve mere da blokiramo vaš pristup vašem nalogu i osiguramo da ne primate promotivne materijale. Možete podesiti samoisključenje na najmanje 3 meseca, a najviše 5 godina. Takođe možete zahtevati da se vaš nalog samoisključi na neodređeno vreme. Ukoliko želite da poništite neodređeno samoisključenje, možete kontaktirati naš tim za korisničku podršku da biste to zatražili. Svako otkazivanje neodređenog samoisključenja biće primenjeno tek nakon isteka perioda čekanja od 7 dana, kada će vaš nalog biti ponovo otvoren.
Imajte u vidu da ako ste samoisključeni iz kazina na neodređeno vreme, preostala sredstva na računu biće isplaćena u skladu sa ograničenjima kazina. Ako ste samoisključeni na određeni period, preostala sredstva na računu biće isplaćena u skladu sa ograničenjima kazina tek kada istekne period samoisključenja. Takođe ćete biti isključeni iz svih promotivnih ponuda za period isključenja. Nećete moći da uplaćujete ili podižete sredstva kada je ograničenje aktivno. Nakon njegovog isteka, vaš nalog se neće automatski ponovo aktivirati.
Ukoliko želite da otkažete samoisključenje pre isteka perioda samoisključenja, to će biti razmotreno tek nakon interne revizije. Svako uspešno otkazivanje definitivnog perioda samoisključenja biće primenjeno nakon minimalnog perioda hlađenja od 24 sata nakon vašeg zahteva.
Da li ste jasno obavestili kazino o svom problemu sa kockanjem? Možete li mi proslediti sve zahteve za zatvaranje naloga/komunikaciju putem e-pošte koju imate sa kazinom? Moja adresa e-pošte je petra.h@casino.guru .
Unapred vam puno hvala.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Petra
Dear aqqn15xxx,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m very sorry to hear about your negative experience. First, I’d like to explain the difference between closing an account and self-exclusion:
Closing an account is simple and has almost no impact - the player can reopen the account anytime, and the casino has no obligation to the player.
On the other hand, self-exclusion does have an impact. If a player successfully requests self-exclusion, the casino agrees not to reopen the account, or only under particular circumstances (after the cooling-off period, and this cannot be done for players who are addicted/with gambling problem).
If you feel that you may be becoming dependent on gambling, you should consider excluding yourself from gambling on our Website, for a period of time or permanently. Setting Self-exclusion lets us know that we need to take all measures to block your access to your account and make sure that you receive no promotional materials. You can set Self-Exclusion for a minimum of 3 months and a maximum of 5 years. You are also able to request that your account be self-excluded for an indefinite period. Should you wish to undo the indefinite self-exclusion, you may contact our Customer Support team to request this. Any cancellation of an indefinite self-exclusion will only be applied after a 7-day waiting period has lapsed at which point your account will be reopened.
Please note that if you are self-excluded from the casino indefinitely, the funds remaining on balance will be paid according to the casino limits. If you are self-excluded for a definite period, the funds remaining on balance will be paid according to the casino limits only when a period of self-exclusion expires. You will also be excluded from all promotional offers for the period of exclusion. You will not be able to deposit or withdraw funds when the limit is active. Upon its expiration, your account will not be automatically re-activated.
Should you wish to cancel your self-exclusion before the expiration of the self-exclusion period, this will only be considered following an internal review. Any successful cancellation of a definite self-exclusion period will be applied after a minimum 24-hour cool-off period following your request.
Have you clearly informed the casino about your gambling problem? Could you forward me all account closure requests/email communication that you have with the casino? My email address is petra.h@casino.guru.
Želeo bih da ažuriram svoju žalbu sledećim ispravkama i pojašnjenjima:
Ukupni depoziti: 9.160 € (dodati depoziti od 07.02.)
Povlačenja: 4.000 €, neto gubitak 5.160 €
Moj nalog je trajno zatvoren, kao što je potvrđeno u priloženoj e-poruci, ali je ponovo otvoren istog dana. Jasno sam rekao TRAJNO, tako da ga neću ponovo otvarati.
Priložio sam potvrdu kazina o zatvaranju naloga. Ako igrač kaže da je trajno zatvoren, ne bi trebalo da mu se dozvoli da ga otvori istog dana. Ja sam trajno zatvorio naloge koje ne mogu ponovo da otvorim, to nije normalno.
Proslediću vam imejl.
Trajno zatvaranje bi trebalo da bude nemogućnost ponovnog otvaranja mog naloga u budućnosti.
Kazino me je zamolio da potvrdim, što sam i uradio. Moj nalog je potom zatvoren, što je potvrđeno imejlom. Uprkos tome, ponovo je otvoren istog dana i ponuđeni su mi bonusi, što je dovelo do daljih depozita i gubitaka.
I would like to update my complaint with the following corrections and clarifications:
Total deposits: €9,160 (Added 07/02 deposits)
Withdrawals: €4,000, net loss €5,160
My account was permanently closed as confirmed in the attached email, but it was reopened the same day. I clearly said PERMANENTLY so I don't reopen it.
I've attached casino confirmation of the account closure. If a player says permanently they shouldn't be allowed to open it the same day. I permanently closed accounts I cannot reopen, that's not normal.
I will forward you the email.
Permanent closure should be inability to reopen my account in the future.
The casino asked me to confirm, which I did. My account was then closed, as confirmed by email. Despite this, it was reopened the same day and I was offered bonuses, which led to further deposits and losses.
Želeo bih da razjasnim da, iako vaš komentar pravi razliku između „zatvaranja naloga" i „samoisključivanja", to mi u to vreme nije jasno objašnjeno.
Zatražio sam trajno zatvaranje mog naloga kako bih trajno zaustavio pristup i pratio sam uputstva kazina. Moj nalog je potom zatvoren i potvrđen imejlom (priloženo gore). Reč trajno podrazumeva da nalog ne treba ponovo otvoriti, bilo da se radi o zatvaranju ili samoisključivanju. Očigledno sam imao problem i moja namera je bila da trajno zaustavim pristup. Zato sam rekao trajno.
Kazino nijednom nije ponudio objašnjenje o razlici između zatvaranja naloga i samoisključenja, niti su me pitali da li želim da se samoisključim ili objasnili posledice svake opcije. Trajno znači nešto što se ne može poništiti.
Kazino ga je odmah ponovo otvorio, bez ikakvih zaštitnih mera, upozorenja ili ograničenja, a zatim je ponudio VIP bonuse, što je direktno dovelo do daljih depozita i gubitaka.
Pitao sam o ponovnom otvaranju, ali kazino je reagovao prebrzo i nije poštovao procedure odgovornog kockanja.
Trajno zatvaranje bi trebalo da znači:
Račun igrača je potpuno zatvoren
Kazino ne bi trebalo da dozvoli ponovno otvaranje bez veoma jasnog, formalnog procesa
Mere zaštite za odgovorno kockanje trebalo bi da spreče impulsivno ponovno otvaranje ili bonus podsticaje. Kazino nije objasnio šta znači zatvaranje naloga, a činjenica da sam rekao „trajno" trebalo bi da implicira nemogućnost njegovog ponovnog otvaranja.
Hi Petra,
I would like to clarify that while your comment distinguishes between "account closure" and "self-exclusion," this was not clearly explained to me at the time.
I requested permanent closure of my account to stop access permanently and followed the casino’s instructions. My account was then closed and confirmed by email (attached above). The word permanenent implies the account shouldn't be reopened, whether it's closure or self exclusion. I obviously had a problem and my intent was clearly to stop access permanently. That is why I said permanently.
At no point did the casino offer any explanation about the difference between account closure and self-exclusion, nor did they ask me whether I wanted to self-exclude or explain the consequences of each option. Permanent means something that cannot be reversed.
The casino reopened it immediately, without any safeguards, warnings, or limits, and then offered VIP bonuses, which directly led to further deposits and losses.
I asked about reopening, but the casino acted too quickly and did not follow responsible gambling procedures.
Permanent closure is supposed to mean:
The player’s account is completely closed
The casino should not allow reopening without a very clear, formal process
Responsible Gambling safeguards should prevent impulsive reopening or bonus incentives. The casino failed to provide what account closure means and the fact that I said "permanent" should imply inability to reopen it.
Čitao sam o sličnim slučajevima i želim da napomenem da sam u vreme kada sam zatražio trajno zatvaranje bio u finansijskim problemima i nisam mogao da kontrolišem svoje kockanje.
Takođe bih želeo da dodam da sam prvobitno zatražio trajno zatvaranje, što je za većinu igrača razumno kao trajno samoisključenje, putem ćaskanja sa podrškom uživo 04.02., pre nego što mi je VIP tim poslao imejl sa potvrdom zatvaranja. Tokom ove interakcije sa podrškom uživo, nisam dobio nikakve informacije o alatima za odgovorno kockanje, opcijama samoisključenja ili posledicama zatvaranja naloga u odnosu na samoisključenje. U ovoj fazi nisu ponuđene nikakve zaštitne mere ili smernice - snimak ekrana ispod.
Moja namera je bila da trajno zaustavim pristup. Nisam pomenuo „zavisnost" ili „problem sa kockanjem", ali su sve vreme postojali jasni signali ranjivosti, patnje i gubitka kontrole. Jesam pomenuo gubitak previše novca kao razlog za zatvaranje. Impulsivno sam uplatio novac i oni to znaju. Nadam se da ćete ovo uzeti u obzir jer trajno zatvaranje treba da bude trajno, a ne ponovo otvoreno istog dana, bez daljih pitanja ili postupka. Nije bilo zaštite potrošača. Pitanje da li se nalog može ponovo otvoriti nakon zahteva za trajno zatvaranje ne bi trebalo da im dozvoli da ga ponovo otvore tako brzo. Kazino nije primenio odgovarajuće procedure odgovornog kockanja kako bi zaštitio kompulzivne kockare koji žele da prestanu.
Takođe sam poslao imejl podršci, ali nisam dobio odgovor.
I've been reading about similar cases and I want to mention at the time I requested permanent closure, I was in financial distress and unable to control my gambling.
I would also like to add that I initially requested permanent closure, which is the sane as permanent self exclusion for most players, via Live Support chat on 04/02, before the VIP team sent me the closure confirmation email. During this Live Support interaction, I was not provided with any information about Responsible Gambling tools, self-exclusion options, or the consequences of account closure versus self-exclusion. No safeguards or guidance were offered at this stage - screenshot below.
My intention was to permanently stop access. I didn't mention "addiction" or "gambling problem" but there were clear vulnerability signals, distress and loss of control the whole time. I did mention losing too much money as my reason for the closure. I impulsively deposited and they know that. I hope you take this into consideration as permanent closure should be permanent, not reopened the same day, without further questions or process. There was no consumer protection. Asking if an account can be reopened after requesting permanent closure shouldn't let them reopen it so fast. The casino failed to apply appropriate Responsible Gambling procedures to protect compulsive gamblers who wish to stop.
I've also sent an email to Support but got no reply back.
Izvinjavam se zbog višestrukih komentara — pokušavam da pružim sve relevantne detalje kako bih ojačao svoj slučaj.
Ako proverite kompletnu politiku odgovornog kockanja SpinGranny-ja (https://spingranny.com/responsible-gaming) - priložio sam 2 isečka, videćete da se ona skoro isključivo odnosi na samoisključenje kao glavni alat za zaustavljanje igre. Nema pomena o zatvaranju naloga, stoga je igrač u pravu kada veruje da će zahtev za trajno zatvaranje sprečiti ponovno otvaranje pod bilo kojim okolnostima.
Citirano iz odeljka o odgovornom kockanju na Spingranny-ju:
„Takođe možete da zahtevate da se vaš nalog samoisključi na neodređeno vreme. Ukoliko želite da poništite samoisključenje na neodređeno vreme, možete kontaktirati naš tim za korisničku podršku da biste to zatražili. Svako otkazivanje samoisključenja na neodređeno vreme biće primenjeno tek nakon isteka perioda čekanja od 7 dana, kada će vaš nalog biti ponovo otvoren."
Moj nalog je ponovo otvoren istog dana, nekoliko sati nakon što sam zatražio trajno zatvaranje. Pitao sam samo da li se moj nalog može ponovo otvoriti, a oni su rekli da, nisu čak ni čekali 7 dana kako je navedeno u njihovoj politici. A ako igrač zahteva trajno zatvaranje, ponovno otvaranje naloga treba odbiti. Zatražio sam to u trenutku jasnoće shvativši da imam problem. Ali ponovo sam se vratio u situaciju i pitao da li mogu ponovo da ga otvorim. Njihova odgovornost je bila da postupaju u skladu sa svojom politikom i poštuju moj početni zahtev za trajno zatvaranje.
Ova proceduralna greška je direktno rezultirala daljim depozitima i gubicima u ukupnom iznosu od 5.160 evra. Da je poštovan odgovarajući period čekanja i mere odgovornog kockanja, ovi gubici su mogli biti sprečeni. Međutim, moj zahtev za ponovno otvaranje naloga je trebalo da bude odbijen jer sam zahtevao trajno zatvaranje.
Molimo vas da ovo uzmete u obzir. Kazino odbija da preuzme odgovornost za svoj neuspeh u zaštiti igrača.
SpinGranny sada tvrdi da su svi gubici nastali pre obaveštenja, što je činjenično netačno. Već sam zatražio trajno zatvaranje i dobio potvrdu pre nego što je nalog ponovo otvoren i pre nego što su uplaćeni dalji depoziti.
U potpunosti prihvatam odgovornost za sve gubitke pre mog zahteva za zatvaranje. Međutim, gubici nastali nakon ponovnog otvaranja nastali su zato što SpinGranny nije poštovao svoje procedure odgovornog kockanja i nije poštovao moj zahtev za trajno zatvaranje.
Verujem da ovo predstavlja jasno kršenje Pravilnika o bankarstvu i propust u obavljanju dužnosti pažnje, i s poštovanjem zahtevam povraćaj novca za 5.160 evra izgubljenih nakon što je moj račun ponovo otvoren.
Hvala vam na pregledu i zaista bih vam cenio pomoć.
Hi Petra,
Apologies for the multiple comments — I’m trying to provide all relevant details to strengthen my case.
If you check SpinGranny’s full Responsible Gambling policy (https://spingranny.com/responsible-gaming) - I attached 2 snips, you will see it refers almost exclusively to self-exclusion as the main tool for stopping play. There is no mention of account closure, thus a player is right in believing requesting permanent closure will prevent the reopening under any circumstances.
Quoted from Spingranny Responsible Gambling section:
"You are also able to request that your account be self-excluded for an indefinite period. Should you wish to undo the indefinite self-exclusion, you may contact our Customer Support team to request this. Any cancellation of an indefinite self- exclusion will only be applied after a 7-day waiting period has lapsed at which point your account will be reopened."
My account was reopened the same day, a few hours after I requested permanent closure. I only asked if my account can be reopened and they said yes, they didn't even wait 7 days as stated in their policy. And if a player requests permanent closure, reopening the account should be refused. I requested it in a moment of clarity realizing I have a problem. But I relapsed and asked if I can reopen it. It was their responsibility to act on their policy and respect my initial permanent closure request.
This procedural failure directly resulted in further deposits and losses totaling €5,160. Had the proper waiting period and responsible gambling measures been observed, these losses could have been prevented. However, my account reopening request should have been rejected as I requested permanent closure.
Please take this into consideration. The casino refuses to take responsibility for their failure to protect players.
SpinGranny now claims all losses occurred before notification, which is factually incorrect. I had already requested permanent closure and received confirmation before the account was reopened and further deposits were made.
I fully accept responsibility for any losses prior to my closure request. However, the losses incurred after reopening occurred because SpinGranny failed to follow their Responsible Gambling procedures and failed to respect my permanent closure request.
I believe this constitutes a clear RG breach and failure of duty of care, and I respectfully request a refund for the €5,160 lost after my account was reopened.
Thank you for reviewing and I would really appreciate your help.
Želeo bih da razjasnim i ispravim svoj prvi komentar u vezi sa vremenskim okvirom zatvaranja naloga kako bih izbegao bilo kakvu zabunu (snimci ekrana već prikazuju datume).
Molim vas da zanemarite 31.01. — u to vreme moj nalog je bio samo privremeno suspendovan dok sam čekao svog VIP menadžera, a to zatvaranje nikada nije završeno. Relevantni događaji su 04.02. i 05.02. (dostavljeni su snimci ekrana).
Konačan i potvrđen zahtev za trajno zatvaranje podnet je 04.02. putem podrške uživo. Obavešten sam da samo VIP tim može da obradi ovaj zahtev. Ubrzo nakon toga, dobio sam imejl od SpinGranny, u kojem sam potvrdio trajno zatvaranje, a i SpinGranny je to potvrdio.
Rezime vremenske linije:
04/02: Zatražio/la sam trajno zatvaranje putem podrške uživo.
04/02: SpinGranny je poslala imejl tražeći potvrdu.
05/02 (jutro): Potvrdio/la sam trajno zatvaranje imejlom.
05/02 (~1 sat kasnije): SpinGranny je potvrdio da je nalog zatvoren.
05/02 (~15:00): Moj nalog je ponovo otvoren istog dana putem Telegrama, bez ikakvog perioda hlađenja.
Ni u jednom trenutku tokom komunikacije putem podrške uživo ili VIP imejla, nisam dobio nikakve smernice za odgovorno kockanje, opcije samoisključenja, zaštitne mere ili uslove za ponovno otvaranje. Jednostavno sam zatražio trajno zatvaranje, što je potvrđeno.
Uprkos tome, račun je ponovo otvoren istog dana, bez perioda hlađenja i bez primene mera državnog upravnog odbora.
Hteo sam da ovo razjasnim kako bi bilo jasno da:
Poslednji zahtev za trajno zatvaranje podnet je 04.02.
Zatvaranje je potvrđeno 05.02.
Račun je ponovo otvoren kasnije istog dana
Nisu date smernice za odgovorno kockanje.
Takođe sam napravio snimke ekrana kompletne politike odgovornog kockanja u slučaju da se ona promeni, i mogu ih dostaviti ako je potrebno.
Hvala vam što ste ovo pojašnjenje uzeli u obzir.
Hi Petra,
I would like to clarify and correct my very first comment regarding the account closure timeline to avoid any confusion (the screenshots already show the dates).
Please disregard 31/01 — at that time my account was only temporarily suspended while waiting for my VIP manager, and that closure was never completed. The relevant events are 04/02 and 05/02 (screenshots provided).
The final and confirmed permanent closure request was made on 04/02 via Live Support. I was informed that only the VIP team could process this request. Shortly after, I received an email from SpinGranny, where I confirmed permanent closure and SpinGranny confirmed it as well.
Timeline summary:
04/02: I requested permanent closure via Live Support.
04/02: SpinGranny emailed asking for confirmation.
05/02 (morning): I confirmed permanent closure by email.
05/02 (~1 hour later): SpinGranny confirmed the account was closed.
05/02 (~3pm): My account was reopened the same day via Telegram, without any cooling-off period.
At no point during Live Support or VIP email communication was I provided with any Responsible Gambling guidance, self-exclusion options, safeguards, or reopening conditions. I simply requested permanent closure, which was acknowledged and confirmed.
Despite this, the account was reopened the same day, with no cooling-off period and no RG measures applied.
I wanted to clarify this so it is clear that:
The final permanent closure request was on 04/02
Closure was confirmed on 05/02
The account was reopened later the same day
No Responsible Gambling guidance was provided.
I have also taken screenshots of the full Responsible Gambling policy in case it changes, and I can provide these if needed.
Thank you for taking this clarification into account.
Moji komentari još uvek čekaju odobrenje. Takođe sam poslao dokumentaciju Petri imejlom — možete li, molim vas, potvrditi da je primljena?
Kazino ne odgovara na moje imejlove. Ranije su veoma brzo nudili bonuse na depozit, ali sada me ignorišu. Njihovo nepoštovanje sopstvene politike odgovornog kockanja mi je nanelo značajnu štetu.
Da jasno razjasnim svoju nameru:
Dana 04.02. sam zatražio trajno zatvaranje računa jer sam želeo da prestanem da se kockam. Imao sam problem sa kockanjem i želeo sam da sprečim dalje gubitke i štetu. Istog dana sam pozajmio 1.000 evra za kiriju i račune i zatražio sam trajno zatvaranje posebno da bih zaštitio sebe.
Jasno sam izjavio da želim da prestanem da se kockam. Prethodno sam takođe rekao svom VIP menadžeru da sam izgubio previše novca, što pokreće jasnu zabrinutost zbog problema sa kockanjem. Moj VIP menadžer je lično potvrdio zatvaranje i ponovo otvorio moj nalog istog dana.
Želja za prestankom kockanja i zahtev za trajno zatvaranje je sam po sebi indikator odgovornog kockanja. Igrači ne bi trebalo da budu obavezni da koriste specifične medicinske termine poput „zavisnosti" da bi se primenila RG zaštita.
Alati za odgovorno kockanje postoje da bi zaštitili igrače, ali ja nisam bio zaštićen. Jasno sam rekao da želim da prestanem da se kockam i zatražio sam trajno zatvaranje kako bih zaštitio svoj novac u slučaju da ponovo počnem da se kockam, ali kazino me nije pitao zašto želim da prestanem da se kockam, niti su primenili sedmodnevni period hlađenja naveden u njihovoj politici odgovornog kockanja. Jasno sam želeo trajno da prestanem da se kockam jer sam izgubio kontrolu. Nisam koristio tačnu reč „zavisnost", jer sam u prošlosti trajno zatvarao račune, a kazina nikada nisu dozvoljavala ponovno otvaranje, bez obzira na to da li je pomenut „problem sa kockanjem" ili „zavisnost". Trajno bi trebalo da znači trajno.
Izostavljanje ijedne reči, poput „zavisnosti", ne bi trebalo da rezultira gubitkom preko 5.000 evra, posebno kada sam jasno zahtevao trajno zatvaranje i jasno rekao da želim da prestanem da se kockam. Gubici su nastali isključivo zato što kazino nije poštovao sopstvene mere zaštite za odgovorno kockanje.
Njihova politika navodi da se prilikom ponovnog otvaranja naloga primenjuje sedmodnevni period hlađenja. Ovo je potpuno ignorisano. Moj nalog je ponovo otvoren odmah nakon što je potvrđeno zatvaranje. Ovo je jasno kršenje pravila odgovornog kockanja, bez obzira na formulaciju.
Proteklih dana sam čitao druge slučajeve na Casino Guru-u i čini se da su kazina zaštićena jer igrači nisu priznali da imaju problema uprkos jasnim znacima i zahtevima za trajno zatvaranje.
Takođe, pitanje da li se nalog može ponovo otvoriti nakon što sam rekao da želim da prestanem da se kockam i zatražio trajno zatvaranje naloga je jasan pokazatelj problema sa kockanjem i zavisnosti.
Prema sopstvenoj politici odgovornog kockanja kazina SpinGranny, alati za samoisključenje postoje kako bi zaštitili igrače. Međutim, zatvaranje naloga nije jasno objašnjeno, a ipak sam zamoljen da potvrdim trajno zatvaranje. Kazino me nije obavestio o mojim opcijama za odgovorno kockanje niti je primenio zaštitne mere, što mi je omogućilo da se kockam sa novcem koji nisam imao, uključujući pozajmljena sredstva i sredstva od zakupa.
Kazino je tvrdio da nisam eksplicitno rekao „zavisnost od kockanja", ali to ne uklanja njihovu odgovornost. Moja namera je bila jasna: želeo sam da prestanem da se kockam i trajno zatvorim svoj nalog.
Molim:
- Povraćaj gubitaka nastalih nakon što je moj račun ponovo otvoren bez perioda hlađenja, u ukupnom iznosu od 5.160 evra
- Potvrda o ovom kršenju pravila o odgovornom kockanju
- Potvrda da je ova žalba prosleđena i da se aktivno razmatra
Želim još jednom da razjasnim da moj zahtev za trajno zatvaranje treba tretirati kao neodređeno samoisključenje u skladu sa njihovim alatima za odgovorno kockanje. Stoga je trebalo primeniti sedmodnevni period hlađenja, ali je ignorisan kada je moj nalog odmah ponovo otvoren.
Pošto je period hlađenja ignorisan, mogao sam da se kockam novcem koji nisam imao, uključujući pozajmljena sredstva, a gubici koji su se nakon toga dogodili su direktna posledica toga što kazino nije poštovao sopstvene mere zaštite za odgovorno kockanje.
Zaista se nadam da mi možete pomoći. Izgubio sam značajnu količinu novca zbog kršenja RG pravila u kazinu i trenutno patim od jakog stresa kao posledica toga.
Hvala vam što ste pregledali moj slučaj
Hello Casino Guru team,
My comments are still pending approval. I’ve also sent documentation to Petra by email — can you please confirm it has been received?
The casino does not respond to my emails. They were very quick to offer deposit bonuses before, but now I am being ignored. Their failure to follow their own Responsible Gambling policy has caused me significant harm.
To clarify my intent clearly:
On 04/02, I requested permanent account closure because I wanted to stop gambling. I was experiencing a gambling problem and wanted to prevent further losses and harm. On that same day, I had borrowed €1,000 for rent and bills and asked for permanent closure specifically to protect myself.
I clearly stated that I wanted to stop gambling. Previously, I had also told my VIP manager that I had lost too much money, which raises clear gambling problem concerns. My VIP manager himself has confirmed closure and reopened my account the same day.
Wanting to stop gambling and requesting permanent closure is itself a Responsible Gambling indicator. Players should not be required to use specific medical terms like "addiction" for RG protections to apply.
Responsible Gambling tools exist to protect players, yet I was not protected. I clearly said I wanted to stop gambling and requested permanent closure to protect my money in case I relapsed, but the casino did not ask why I wanted to stop gambling, nor did they apply the 7-day cooling-off period stated in their RG policy. I clearly wanted to stop gambling permanently because I had lost control. I did not use the exact word "addiction," as in the past I have permanently closed accounts and casinos never allowed reopening, regardless of whether "gambling problem" or "addiction" was mentioned. Permanent should mean permanent.
Leaving out a single word, like "addiction," should not result in me losing over €5,000, especially when I clearly requested permanent closure and clerly said I wanted to stop gambling. The losses occurred entirely because the casino failed to follow their own Responsible Gambling safeguards.
Their policy states that a 7-day cooling-off period applies when reopening an account. This was completely ignored. My account was reopened straight away after closure was confirmed. This is a clear Responsible Gambling breach, regardless of wording.
I've spent the past days reading other cases on Casino Guru and it seems the casinos are being protected because players did not admit having problems despite showing clear signs and requesting permanent closure.
Also, asking if the account can be reopened after saying I want to stop gambling and asking to permanently closed my account is a clear indicator of gambling problem & addiction.
According to SpinGranny Casino’s own Responsible Gambling policy, self-exclusion tools exist to protect players. However, account closure is not clearly explained, yet I was asked to confirm permanent closure. The casino failed to inform me of my RG options or apply safeguards, which allowed me to gamble money I did not have, including borrowed and rent funds.
The casino claimed I did not explicitly say "gambling addiction," but this does not remove their responsibility. My intent was clear: I wanted to stop gambling and permanently close my account.
I am requesting:
- Refund of losses incurred after my account was reopened without the cooling-off period, totaling €5,160
- Acknowledgment of this Responsible Gambling breach
- Confirmation that this complaint has been escalated and is actively being reviewed
I want to clarify again that my request for permanent closure should be treated as an indefinite self-exclusion under their Responsible Gambling tools. As such, the 7-day cooling-off period should have been applied, but it was ignored when my account was reopened immediately.
Because the cooling-off period was ignored, I was able to gamble money I did not have, including borrowed funds, and the losses that occurred afterward are directly the result of the casino failing to follow its own Responsible Gambling safeguards.
I really hope you can help me. I have lost a significant amount of money because of the casino’s RG breach, and I am currently suffering from severe stress as a result.
Hvala vam na saradnji i što ste nam pružili sve potrebne informacije. Zaista cenim vreme i trud koji ste uložili da sa nama podelite detalje vašeg slučaja.
Vaša žalba će sada preći u sledeću fazu našeg procesa i obrađivaće je vaš namenski rešavač Igor ( igor.p@casino.guru ). Ovo je standardna procedura, jer će Rezolver direktno preuzeti komunikaciju sa kazinom i upravljati vašim slučajem od ove tačke pa nadalje.
U ovoj fazi, nije potrebna nikakva dalja akcija od vas. Vaš rešavač će vas kontaktirati putem ove teme ako budu potrebne dodatne informacije. Možete biti sigurni da je vaš slučaj u kompetentnim rukama.
U međuvremenu, toplo preporučujem da u budućnosti formalno zatražite trajno samoisključenje direktno od Kazina. Kada se prijavljujete za samoisključenje, obavezno obavezno sledite sledeće uslove:
Jasno navedite da zahtevate samoisključenje zbog zavisnosti od kockanja (ako je primenljivo).
Navedite tačno trajanje (trajno ili doživotno).
Zahtevajte uklanjanje iz svih marketinških i promotivnih komunikacija.
Koristite jasan i prepoznatljiv naslov (npr. „Samoisključenje zbog zavisnosti od kockanja").
Navedite svoje puno ime, datum rođenja, korisničko ime u kazinu i registrovanu adresu e-pošte.
Sačuvajte kopiju svog zahteva (snimak ekrana iz imejla ili transkript ćaskanja) kao dokaz za buduće potrebe.
Pravilno podnošenje i dokumentovanje vašeg zahteva za samoisključenje može biti veoma važno u slučaju bilo kakvih budućih nesporazuma ili sporova.
Želim vam puno sreće i iskreno se nadam da će vaš slučaj uskoro biti rešen na vaše zadovoljstvo.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Petra
Dear aqqn15,
Thank you for your cooperation and for providing all the necessary information. I truly appreciate the time and effort you have taken to share the details of your case with us.
Your complaint will now move to the next stage of our process and will be handled by your dedicated Resolver Igor (igor.p@casino.guru). This is a standard procedure, as the Resolver will take over communication with the casino directly and manage your case from this point onward.
At this stage, no further action is required from you. Your Resolver will contact you through this thread if any additional information is needed. You can rest assured that your case is in capable hands.
In the meantime, I strongly recommend that you formally request Permanent self-exclusion directly to the Casino in the future. When applying for self-exclusion, please make sure to:
Clearly state that you are requesting self-exclusion due to gambling addiction (if applicable).
Specify the exact duration (permanent or lifetime).
Request removal from all marketing and promotional communications.
Use a clear and recognizable subject line (e.g., "Self-Exclusion Due to Gambling Addiction").
Include your full name, date of birth, casino username, and registered email address.
Keep a copy of your request (email screenshot or chat transcript) as proof for future reference.
Properly submitting and documenting your self-exclusion request can be very important in case of any future misunderstandings or disputes.
I wish you the best of luck, and I sincerely hope your case will be resolved to your satisfaction soon.
Kazino je ranije odgovorio na moje imejlove, i dalje tvrdeći da sam jedini odgovoran za svoje gubitke. Potpuno su ignorisali glavni problem - potvrdili su trajno zatvaranje i ponovo otvorili moj nalog istog dana, što je protiv njihove RG politike.
Prema Politici odgovornog igranja kazina, poništavanje neodređenog samoisključenja/trajnog zatvaranja zahteva period čekanja od 7 dana, koji nije primenjen. Ovo je omogućilo dalje kockanje i rezultiralo gubicima od 5.160 evra. Molim da se ovo kršenje Pravilnika o odgovornom igranju razmotri.
Pregledao sam kompletnu politiku odgovornog igranja kazina i ona se odnosi samo na samoisključenje; zatvaranje naloga nije jasno definisano. Kada sam zatražio trajno zatvaranje i rekao da želim da prestanem da se kockam, podrška nije pitala zašto, niti su objasnili bilo kakve RG alate. Uprkos potvrdi trajnog zatvaranja, moj nalog je ponovo otvoren istog dana bez perioda čekanja od 7 dana potrebnog za poništavanje neodređenog isključenja. Ova proceduralna greška je omogućila dalje kockanje i prouzrokovala dodatne gubitke.
Nadam se da mi možeš pomoći, Igore. Samo tražim pravednost.
Osvojio sam mnogo novca na Spingranny-ju i nisam mogao da prestanem zbog zavisnosti. Koliko god da sam osvojio, nisam mogao da prestanem. Svaki put kada bih podigao novac, vraćao bih ga + još novca. Nisam mogao da priuštim kockanje. Trenutno tražim pomoć, ali kazino nije primenio svoju politiku RG i ponovo su mi otvorili nalog nekoliko sati nakon što su potvrdili trajno zatvaranje.
Želim da kazino prizna ovo jasno kršenje uslova i nadoknadi gubitke.
Hello Igor,
The casino replied to my emails earlier still claiming I am the only one responsible for my losses. They completely disregard the main issue - they confirmed permanent closure and reopened my account the same day, which is against their RG policy.
According to the casino’s Responsible Gaming policy, reversing an indefinite self-exclusion/permanent closure requires a 7-day waiting period, which was not applied. This allowed further gambling and resulted in €5,160 in losses. I request this RG breach be considered.
I have reviewed the casino’s full Responsible Gaming policy and it only refers to self-exclusion; account closure is not clearly defined. When I asked for permanent closure and said I wanted to stop gambling, support did not ask why, nor did they explain any RG tools. Despite confirming permanent closure, my account was reopened the same day without the 7-day waiting period required for reversing an indefinite exclusion. This procedural failure allowed further gambling and caused additional losses.
I hope you can help me Igor. I'm only asking for fairness.
I won a lot of money on Spingranny and couldn't stop because of my addiction. No matter how much I won I couldn't stop. Every time I withdrew I put it back in + more money I couldn't afford gambling. I'm currently getting help but the casino failed to apply their RG policy and reopened my account a few hours after confirming permanent closure.
I want the casino to admit this clear breach and refund the losses.
Poslao sam vam dodatni dokaz o štetnom ponašanju u kockanju na Spingranny-ju tokom vikenda, nadam se da ste ga primili.
Da li vam je kazino odgovorio? Prošla je skoro nedelja, a čini se da ignorišu ovu žalbu, što je veoma razočaravajuće.
Ova situacija je imala ozbiljan uticaj na mene i njihov nedostatak reakcije dodaje još više stresa i anksioznosti, tako da bih bio zaista zahvalan na bilo kakvim novostima.
Hvala vam još jednom na pomoći.
Dear Igor,
I sent you additional proof of harmful gambling behaviour on Spingranny over the weekend, I hope you received it.
Has the casino responded to you? A week has almost passed and they seem to be ignoring this complaint which is very disappointing.
This situation has had a serious impact on me and their lack of response is adding more stress and anxiety, so I would really appreciate any update.
Voleli bi da zamolimo kazino da odgovori na ovu pritužbu. Produžujemo timer za 7 dana. Ako kazino ne odgovori u predviđenom roku, prigovo ćemo zatvoriti kao "nerešen", što može negativno uticati na rejting kazina.
We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.
Ne odgovaraju ni na imejlove, što je veoma zabrinjavajuće. Video sam druge kazina sa mnogo nižim ocenama bezbednosti kako aktivno komuniciraju sa igračima i pokušavaju da reše probleme, tako da je ovaj nedostatak odgovora od strane SpinGranny razočaravajući.
Ova žalba se odnosi na propust u vezi sa odgovornim kockanjem, koji treba shvatiti ozbiljno. Moj nalog je ponovo otvoren istog dana kada sam jasno tražio da prestanem sa kockanjem, uprkos njihovim uslovima koji navode da treba primeniti period hlađenja. Čak je i kratko odlaganje moglo sprečiti dalju štetu, iako moj nalog uopšte nije trebalo da bude ponovo otvoren.
Ignorisanje ovog problema nije prihvatljivo i nadam se da će se kazino i dalje angažovati ovde i rešiti šta se dogodilo.
Pregledao sam i druge slučajeve gde su kazina eksplicitno potvrdila da su nalozi trajno zatvoreni zbog zavisnosti od kockanja. U tim odgovorima, „trajno" je jasno značilo nepovratno zatvaranje.
U ovim uporedivim slučajevima, kazina jasno definišu trajno zatvaranje kao nepovratno i bez mogućnosti ponovnog otvaranja. Koristio sam iste reči i izrazio nameru da zauvek prestanem sa kockanjem. Ako kazino to drugačije tumači, to je trebalo jasno objasniti u vreme mog zahteva.
They don't reply to emails either, which is very concerning. I have seen other casinos with much lower safety ratings actively engage with players and try to resolve the issues, so this lack of response from SpinGranny is disappointing.
This complaint is about a Responsible Gambling failure, which should be treated seriously. My account was reopened on the same day I had clearly asked to stop gambling, despite their own terms stating that a cooling-off period should apply. Even a short delay could have prevented further harm, although my account shouldn't have been reopened at all.
Ignoring this issue is not acceptable, and I hope the casino will still engage here and address what happened.
I have reviewed other cases where casinos explicitly confirmed that accounts were closed permanently due to gambling addiction. In those responses, "permanent" clearly meant irreversible closure.
In these comparable cases, the casinos clearly define permanent closure as irreversible and without the possibility of reopening. I used the same language and expressed intent to stop gambling forever. If the casino interprets it differently, that should have been clearly explained at the time of my request.
Takođe sam poslao imejl na imejl adresu navedenu u odeljku za rešavanje sporova na veb-sajtu, ali takođe nisam dobio odgovor. Dokumentujem sve u slučaju da budem morao da eskaliram ovo negde drugde, iako se nadam da će se angažovati u rešavanju ove žalbe.
Njihov sopstveni ChatBot je potvrdio da je ovo kršenje njihovih sopstvenih RG politika.
Moj nalog nije trebalo ponovo da bude otvoren nekoliko sati nakon zahteva za trajno zatvaranje radi prestanka kockanja. Nadam se da će Spingranny odgovoriti jer trpim ozbiljnu štetu uzrokovanu ponovnim otvaranjem.
Njihov tim za podršku potpuno ignoriše moj slučaj iako odgovori u ćaskanju savetuju da ih kontaktiram. To ne izgleda dobro.
I've also sent an email to the email address in the Dispute Resolution on the website, and no response either. I'm documenting everything in case I need to escalate this somewhere else, although I hope they will engage in this complaint.
Their own ChatBot confirmed this was a breach of their own RG policies.
My account shouldn't have been reopened after a few hours from requesting permanent closure to stop gambling. I hope Spingranny responds because I'm suffering from severe damage caused by the reopening.
Their Support team completely ignores my case even though the chat responses advise to contact them. That doesn't look good.
Razumemo vaš stav i saosećamo sa vašim brigama. Uz to rečeno, preduzeli smo razumne korake kako bismo osigurali da vaše igranje ostane uravnoteženo i bezbedno - uključujući opcije za ograničavanje ili samoisključivanje vašeg naloga.
Nakon temeljnog pregleda, sve promene statusa naloga su izvršene tačno u skladu sa vašim zahtevima i potvrdama putem e-pošte. Evidencija potvrđuje da nas niste unapred obavestili o bilo kakvim problemima sa kockanjem. Odmah smo zatvorili vaš nalog u skladu sa našom Politikom odgovornog kockanja čim ste prijavili svoju situaciju.
Nažalost, ne možemo ponuditi povraćaj novca ovde. Deponovana sredstva su korišćena za svoju namenu, a svi gubici su nastali pre nego što smo obavešteni.
Izvinjavamo se zbog eventualnog razočaranja ili neprijatnosti koje je ovo prouzrokovalo i cenimo vaše razumevanje.
Zdravo Igore,
Objašnjenje smo vam poslali putem imejla. Molimo vas da ga pregledate što pre.
Srdačan pozdrav,
SpinGranny kazino
Dear aqqn15,
Thank you for your message.
We understand your stance and empathize with your concerns. That said, we've taken reasonable steps to ensure your gaming remains balanced and safe - including options to limit or self-exclude your account.
After a thorough review, all account status changes were made exactly as per your requests and email confirmations. Records confirm you did not inform us of any gambling issues beforehand. We promptly closed your account in line with our Responsible Gambling Policy as soon as you raised your situation.
Unfortunately, we cannot offer a reimbursement here. The deposited funds were used for their intended purpose, and all losses occurred before we were notified.
We regret any disappointment or inconvenience this causes and appreciate your understanding.
Hello Igor,
We've provided the explanation via email. Please review at your earliest convenience.
Hvala vam na odgovoru. Ali moram uz poštovanje da pojasnim da se on ne odnosi na ključne činjenice ove žalbe - ponovno otvaranje mog naloga istog dana kada sam zatražio trajno zatvaranje kako bih prestao sa kockanjem.
Tvrdite da su „Sve promene statusa naloga izvršene tačno prema vašim zahtevima" - ali moj zahtev za trajno zatvaranje je previđen kada mi je moj VIP menadžer ponovo otvorio nalog istog dana. To nije u skladu sa mojim početnim zahtevom. U svojim gornjim komentarima sam priložio dokaz o istim formulacijama koje koristi većina kazina, trajno zatvaranje naloga = neodređeno samoisključenje. Jasno sam želeo da trajno prestanem da se kockam u vašem kazinu jer sam izgubio značajne količine novca.
„Evidencija potvrđuje da nas niste unapred obavestili o bilo kakvim problemima sa kockanjem" - Pitanje da li se moj nalog može ponovo otvoriti istog dana bio je jasan recidiv koji odražava moju zavisnost od kockanja. Vaš tim nije ovo tretirao kao ozbiljnu situaciju odgovornog kockanja, odmah ponovo otvarajući nalog umesto da primeni zaštitne mere ili period hlađenja. Takođe sam prosledio dokaz o štetnom ponašanju u kockanju o kome je vaš tim bio dobro upoznat. Vaš VIP tim je podsticao velike depozite iako moja dokumentovana aktivnost na nalogu pokazuje ozbiljnu zavisnost od kockanja, što me dovodi u visok rizik.
„Odmah smo zatvorili vaš nalog u skladu sa politikom podrške uživo čim ste pokrenuli svoju situaciju" - Moja situacija je pokrenuta 04.02. u ćaskanju uživo. Nalog je ponovo otvoren istog dana, ignorišući zaštitne mere navedene u vašim sopstvenim Uslovima i odredbama/politikom podrške uživo. Ako je došlo do nesporazuma između podrške uživo i VIP podrške, to nije moja krivica. Moj zahtev je bio jasan.
„Uplaćena sredstva su korišćena za predviđenu namenu, a svi gubici su nastali pre nego što smo obavešteni." - Prihvatam da su gubici pre mog zahteva za trajno zatvaranje bili moja odgovornost. Međutim, račun je ponovo otvoren istog dana, tokom očiglednog recidiva, nakon što sam vas obavestio da trajno zatvorite moj račun jer sam želeo da prestanem da se kockam. Gubici nastali nakon ovog ponovnog otvaranja direktno su uzrokovani neprimenom mera zaštite odgovornog kockanja od strane kazina.
Vaši uslovi korišćenja / politika korišćenja:
• Takođe možete kontaktirati naš tim za podršku i obavestiti nas o svojoj odluci da prestanete da se kockate na spingranny-ju na određeni period ili zauvek.
Upravo sam to i uradio. Jasno sam rekao da želim da prestanem da se kockam i da trajno zatvorim svoj nalog. Podrška je prosledila moj zahtev VIP podršci, koja je potom završila moj zahtev.
• Ukoliko želite da poništite neodređeno samoisključenje, možete kontaktirati naš tim za podršku. Svako otkazivanje neodređenog samoisključenja biće primenjeno tek nakon isteka perioda čekanja od 7 dana, kada će vaš nalog biti ponovo otvoren.
Kontaktirao sam svog VIP menadžera jer se VIP igračima nalaže da koriste VIP podršku. Moj nalog je ponovo otvoren istog dana, nekoliko sati nakon što je potvrđeno trajno zatvaranje. Iako takvi nalozi nikada ne bi trebalo ponovo da se otvaraju. Samo pitanje „zašto?", a zatim ponovno otvaranje naloga bez dodatnih mera zaštite, nije ispunilo standard zaštite odgovornog kockanja.
Ovo ponovno otvaranje i nedostatak zaštitnih mera direktno su prouzrokovali dalju finansijsku i emocionalnu štetu, koju vaš odgovor ignoriše.
Naveo sam svoju tačnu situaciju u vašem četbotu za podršku, koji eksplicitno priznaje da nalozi zatvoreni iz razloga odgovornog kockanja ne bi trebalo ponovo da se otvaraju ili bi bar trebalo da uključuju strogi period pregleda i hlađenja. Ove mere nisu primenjene u mom slučaju. Čak bi i period hlađenja od 7 dana sprečio nastalu štetu.
Odgovoran operater treba da pročita „Trajno zatvori moj nalog, želim da prestanem sa kockanjem" kao:
Ovaj igrač je u opasnosti i želi trajno da prestane da se kocka.
Hitno ponovno otvaranje je bilo neprikladno.
Takođe želim da dodam da mi ni u jednom trenutku nisu ponuđeni nikakvi alati za odgovorno kockanje.
Očekujem ozbiljnu i činjeničnu proveru i odgovor koji se odnosi na kršenje bezbednosti i nastalu štetu. Svi dokazi su poslati i timu za podršku.
Hello SpinGranny Casino,
Thank you for your response. But I must respectfully clarify that it does not address the key facts of this complaint - reopening my account the same day I requested permanent closure to stop gambling.
You claim "All account status changes were made exactly as per your requests" - but my permanent closure request was overlooked when my VIP manager reopened my account the same day. That’s not following my initial request. I've attached proof in my above comments of the same language used by most casinos, permanent account closure = indefinite self-exclusion. I clearly wanted to stop gambling permanently on your casino as I've lost significant amounts of money.
"Records confirm you did not inform us of any gambling issues beforehand" - Asking if my account can be reopened that same day was a clear relapse reflecting my gambling addiction. Your team failed to treat this as a serious responsible gambling situation, immediately reopening the account instead of applying safeguards or a cooling-off period. I have also forwarded proof of harmful gambling behaviour that your team was well aware off. Your VIP team encouraged high deposits even though my documented account activity demonstrates severe gambling addiction, putting me at high risk.
"We promptly closed your account in line with RG policy as soon as you raised your situation" - My situation was raised on 04/02 in Live Chat. The account was reopened the same day, ignoring the safeguards stated in your own T&C/RG policy. If there was a miscommunication between Live Support and VIP Support, that is not my fault. My request was clear.
"The deposited funds were used for their intended purpose, and all losses occurred before we were notified." - I accept that losses before my permanent closure request were my responsibility. However, the account was reopened the same day, during a clear relapse, after I had notified you to close my account permanently because I wanted to stop gambling. The losses incurred after this reopening were directly caused by the casino’s failure to apply Responsible Gambling safeguards.
Your T&C / RG policy:
• You may also contact our support team and inform us of your decision to stop gambling at spingranny for a certain period or forever.
This is exactly what I did. I clearly said I wanted to stop gambling and close my account permanently. Support forwarded my request to VIP Support, who then completed my request.
• Should you wish to undo the indefinite self-exclusion you may contact our Support team to undo this. Any cancellation of an indefinite self-exclusion will only be applied after a 7-day waiting period has lapsed at which point your account will be reopened.
I contacted my VIP manager as VIP players are directed to use VIP Support. My account was reopened the same day, a few hours after permanent closure was confirmed. Although such accounts should never be reopened. Simply asking "why?" and then reopening the account without additional safeguards did not meet the standard of responsible gambling protection.
This reopening and lack of safeguards directly caused further financial and emotional harm, which your response ignores.
I stated my exact situation in your own Support Chatbot, that explicitly recognizes that accounts closed for Responsible Gambling reasons should not be reopened, or at minimum should involve a strict review and cooling-off period. These measures were not applied in my case. Even a 7 days cooling off period would have prevented the harm caused.
A responsible operator should read "Close my account permanently, I want to stop gambling" as:
"This player is at risk and wants to stop gambling permanently."
Immediate reopening was inappropriate.
I also want to add that I was not offered any Responsible Gambling tools at any point.
I expect a serious and factual review and response addressing the breach and the harm caused. All proofs were sent to the Support Team as well.
Poslali smo vam imejl sa fotografijama koje ste tražili, molimo vas da ih pogledate što pre.
Hvala vam na saradnji.
Zdravo aqqn15
Potvrđujemo informacije koje je pružio naš četbot. Međutim, imajte u vidu da se ove smernice posebno odnose na slučajeve problema vezanih za kockanje, kao što je jasno navedeno u relevantnom tekstu.
U vreme vašeg početnog zahteva za zatvaranje ili ponovno otvaranje naloga, nismo bili obavešteni ni o kakvim zabrinutostima u vezi sa zavisnošću od kockanja. Da smo bili svesni, postupili bismo u skladu sa našim politikama odgovornog igranja. Čim smo saznali za problem, trajno smo zatvorili vaš nalog kod nas - ponovno otvaranje ili kreiranje novog naloga nije moguće.
Zavisnost od kockanja shvatamo veoma ozbiljno i potpuno smo posvećeni negovanju bezbednog okruženja za igranje za sve igrače.
Hvala vam na razumevanju.
Srdačan pozdrav,
SpinGranny kazino
Hello Igor,
We have sent you an email with the photos that you requested, please check them out at your earliest convenience.
Thank you for the cooperation.
Hello aqqn15
We acknowledge the information provided by our chatbot. However, please note that this guidance applies specifically in cases of gambling-related issues, as clearly stated in the relevant text.
At the time of your initial account closure or reopening request, we were not informed of any gambling addiction concerns. Had we been aware, we would have acted accordingly in line with our responsible gaming policies. As soon as we became aware of the issue, we permanently closed your account with us - no reopening or new account creation is possible.
We take gambling addiction very seriously and are fully committed to fostering a safe gaming environment for all players.
U mom zahtevu za zatvaranje naloga jasno je pisalo: „Trajno zatvori nalog. Želim da prestanem da se kockam." Ovo je bio jasan signal ranjivosti. Uprkos tome, moj nalog je ponovo otvoren istog dana i nisu primenjeni nikakvi alati ili mere zaštite za odgovorno igranje. Nisam prijavio zavisnost, ali to ne uklanja dužnost kazina da postupi po zahtevu za trajno zatvaranje. Prilikom obrade mog zahteva ignorisan je moj navedeni razlog za zatvaranje.
Kada sam se kasnije raspitao o ponovnom otvaranju, nisam delovao racionalno već impulsivno. U takvim okolnostima, verujem da je trebalo obratiti veću pažnju i razjasniti pre nego što se dozvoli bilo kakvo ponovno otvaranje.
Ponovo sam proverio početni odgovor kazina i jedine opcije koje su mi ponuđene bile su da zadržim svoj nalog otvorenim ili da ga privremeno suspendujem dok VIP tim za podršku ne obradi moj zahtev. Nisu ponuđeni alati za odgovorno igranje i nije bilo pojašnjenja da li će se ovo tretirati kao samoisključenje.
Kazino ne mari za ranjive igrače ako umesto da odmah suspenduju nalog nakon što igrač izjavi da želi da prestane sa kockanjem, pitaju ga da li želi da ga zadrži otvorenim. To nije trebalo ni da bude opcija.
Naveo sam vaše RG uslove gore:
Vaši uslovi korišćenja / politika korišćenja:
• Takođe možete kontaktirati naš tim za podršku i obavestiti nas o svojoj odluci da prestanete da se kockate na spingranny-ju na određeni period ili zauvek.
Upravo sam to i uradio. Jasno sam rekao da želim da prestanem da se kockam i da trajno zatvorim svoj račun.
Nisam eksplicitno naveo zavisnost, ali moja namera da trajno prestanem sa kockanjem bila je jasna i nije bila pravilno sprovedena. Vaš tim je očigledno ignorisao moj zahtev i razlog i nastavio sa normalnim zaključenjem.
Kada se u ovom slučaju zahteva ponovno otvaranje, zaista verujem da je moj VIP menadžer trebalo da izvrši odgovarajuću proveru i primeni period hlađenja, a ne da ga odmah ponovo otvori.
Nakon ponovnog otvaranja mog naloga, izgubio sam 5.160 evra u roku od samo dva dana. Ovaj gubitak se dogodio odmah nakon mog ranijeg zahteva za trajno zatvaranje gde sam jasno naveo da želim da prestanem da se kockam. Brzina i obim ovih depozita pokazuju da sam bio u ranjivom stanju i da je dozvoljavanje ponovnog otvaranja naloga bez dodatnih zaštitnih mera ili pojašnjenja direktno prouzrokovalo značajnu štetu. Da je moj početni zahtev za trajno zatvaranje pravilno tretiran kao samoisključenje ili odgovorno razjašnjen, do ovog gubitka ne bi došlo.
Hello SpinGranny Casino,
My account closure request clearly stated: "Close account permanently. I want to stop gambling." This was a clear signal of vulnerability. Despite this, my account was reopened the same day and no responsible gaming tools or safeguards were applied. I did not report an addiction, but that does not remove the casino’s duty to act on a permanent closure request. The handling of my request ignored my stated reason for closure.
When I later inquired about reopening, I was not acting rationally but impulsively. In such circumstances, I believe greater care and clarification should have been applied before allowing any reopening.
I have checked the casino’s initial response again, and the only options I was given were to keep my account open or to suspend it temporarily until the VIP Support team processed my request. No responsible gaming tools were offered and there was no clarification as to whether this would be treated as a self-exclusion.
The casino does not care about vulnerable players if instead of suspending an account straight away after the player stated they want to stop gambling, they ask them if they want to keep it open. That shouldn't have even been an option.
I've stated your RG terms above:
Your T&C / RG policy:
• You may also contact our support team and inform us of your decision to stop gambling at spingranny for a certain period or forever.
This is exactly what I did. I clearly said I wanted to stop gambling and close my account permanently.
I did not explicitly state addiction, but my intention to stop gambling permanently was clear and was not properly acted upon. Your team clearly ignored my request and reason and proceeded with a normal closure.
When reopening is requested in this case I really believe my VIP manager should have done a proper review and apply a cooling off period, not reopen it instantly.
Following the reopening of my account, I lost €5,160 within just two days. This loss occurred immediately after my earlier request for permanent closure where I clearly stated that I wanted to stop gambling. The speed and scale of these deposits demonstrate that I was in a vulnerable state and that allowing the account to be reopened without additional safeguards or clarification directly enabled significant harm. Had my initial permanent closure request been properly treated as a self-exclusion or responsibly clarified, this loss would not have occurred.
„Iako se opšte zatvaranje naloga može zahtevati iz mnogo različitih razloga ili bez ikakvog razloga, važno je da operater potvrdi sa igračem da zahtev za zatvaranje nije podnet zbog problema sa kockanjem ili problematičnog kockanja. Preporučuje se ispitivanje odgovora igrača tokom ovog razgovora kako bi se osiguralo da je operater u potpunosti zadovoljan da zahtev za zatvaranje nije povezan sa štetom od kockanja."
Čak bi jednostavno pitanje poput „Da li imate problema sa kontrolom kockanja?" ili „Šta vas je navelo da prestanete sa kockanjem?" ili bilo koje pitanje koje je podrška trebalo da postavi kako bi se osiguralo da se moj zahtev pravilno obradi, sprečilo štetu koja je usledila. Moja namera je bila jasna: želeo sam da trajno prestanem sa kockanjem, a kazino je pogrešno obradio moj zahtev.
Iako je MGA drugačiji regulator, njihove smernice odražavaju široko prihvaćene prakse odgovornog kockanja: zahtevi za trajno zatvaranje povezani sa željom za prestankom kockanja treba da se ispituju i tretiraju sa pažnjom.
Moj zahtev nije bio opšti zahtev za zatvaranje. A pitanje o ponovnom otvaranju nedugo nakon što sam izjavio da želim da prestanem sa kockanjem trebalo je bar da pokrene odgovarajući pregled i primenu mera zaštite za odgovorno kockanje. A činjenica da je i zatvaranje i ponovno otvaranje vodila ista osoba, koja je bila dobro upoznata sa početnim zahtevom i vremenom, izaziva ozbiljnu zabrinutost.
Uslovi i odredbe SpinGranny-ja pružaju veoma ograničene detalje o zatvaranju naloga - isečak ispod.
Moj zahtev za trajno zatvaranje, povezan sa prestankom kockanja, trebalo je da bude tretiran sa istim zaštitnim merama i principima preispitivanja koji se primenjuju u slučajevima samoisključenja, ali nije.
Na veb-sajtu SpinGranny, postoji neodređeno samoisključenje kao mehanizam za igrače koji žele trajno da prestanu sa kockanjem. Zašto moj zahtev nije tretiran kao takav? Uzeli su samo reč „zatvaranje" i potpuno zanemarili reč „trajno" i obrazloženje „želim da prestanem sa kockanjem".
Teško mi je da shvatim kako se problem ne priznaje, s obzirom na niz događaja i odsustvo zaštitnih mera. Rizik i nastala šteta bili su predvidljivi.
5.160 evra deponovanih nakon ponovnog otvaranja bila su pozajmljena sredstva, što ističe obim štete i važnost primene odgovarajućih zaštitnih mera u to vreme.
Čvrsto verujem da je moj zahtev pogrešno obrađen i da je moj nalog ponovo otvoren na nepravilan način, što je rezultiralo ozbiljnom finansijskom štetom. Ukoliko je bilo bilo kakve nejasnoće, kazino je imao dužnost da razjasni i osigura da je ona obrađena na odgovarajući način.
I was reviewing MGA guidance, which states:
"Whilst general account closures can be requested for many different reasons or no reason at all, it is important that the Operator confirms with the player that the closure request has not been made due to gambling issues or problematic gambling. Probing a player’s responses during this conversation is recommended to ensure that the Operator is entirely satisfied that the closure request is not related to gambling harm."
Even a simple question like "Do you have issues controlling your gambling?" or "What made you want to stop gambling?" or any question Support needed to ask to make sure my request is handled properly would have avoided the harm that followed. My intent was clear: I was seeking to quit gambling permanently, and the casino mishandled my request.
While MGA is a different regulator, their guidance reflects widely accepted responsible gaming practices: permanent closure requests linked to a wish to stop gambling should be probed and treated with care.
My request wasn't a general closure request. And asking about reopening not long after I stated I wanted to stop gambling should have at least triggered a proper review and application of responsible gaming safeguards. And the fact that both the closure and the reopening were handled by the same person, who was well aware of the initial request and timing, raises serious concerns.
SpinGranny’s T&Cs provide very limited detail on account closure - snip below.
My permanent closure request, linked to stopping gambling, should have been treated with the same safeguards and review principles applied in self-exclusion cases, yet it was not.
On SpinGranny website, indefinite self-exclusion exists as a mechanism for players who want to stop gambling permanently. Why wasn't my request treated as such? They just took the word "closure" alone and completely disregarded the word "permanent" and reason "I want to stop gambling".
I find it difficult to understand how the issue is not being acknowledged, given the sequence of events and the absence of safeguards. The risk and resulting harm were foreseeable.
The €5,160 deposited after the reopening were all borrowed funds, which highlights the extent of the harm and the importance of proper safeguards being applied at the time.
I strongly believe my request was mishandled and my account was reopened inappropriately, resulting in serious financial harm. If there was any uncertainty, the casino had a duty to clarify and ensure it was processed appropriately.
Čini mi se da previše ponavljam svoje stavove jer SpinGranny Casino ne rešava suštinu moje žalbe, fokusirajući se samo na „nisu bili svesni mog problema sa kockanjem", kada „želim da prestanem da se kockam" i traženje trajnog zatvaranja signalizira potencijalni problem i rizik sa kockanjem, ali je podrška to ignorisala i privremeno zatvorila moj nalog.
Podneo sam zahtev putem ćaskanja uživo, a agent je trebalo da ga ispravno razjasni ili prosledi ili da mi naloži da sam pošaljem imejl.
Prema uslovima i odredbama SpinGranny-ja, mogućnost samoisključenja odnosi se na svakoga ko smatra da je njegovo kockanje van kontrole i želi pomoć da prestane. Moj zahtev - „Želim da prestanem da se kockam" i trajno zatvaranje - jasno je ispunjavao ove kriterijume, ali kazino ga je tretirao kao opšte zatvaranje i nije primenio zaštitne mere, što je direktno dovelo do štete.
S obzirom na loše rukovanje i predvidljivu finansijsku štetu, molim kazino da preuzme odgovornost i nadoknadi neto gubitke između 05.02. i 07.02.
Ovi gubici su bili upravo ono što sam pokušavao da sprečim svojim zahtevom. Znao sam da ću dobiti sredstva sledećeg dana, i svaki put kada bih imao novac, gubio sam kontrolu, tako da nisam mogao da priuštim dalje gubitke.
Kazino je moj zahtev tretirao veoma olako, potpuno ignorišući razlog koji stoji iza njega, što je jasan propust u odgovornoj praksi kockanja.
Cenim vaše vreme u razmatranju ove stvari.
Dear Igor,
I feel like I'm repeating my points a lot because SpinGranny Casino doesn't address the core issue of my complaint, focusing only on "they were not aware of my gambling problem", when "I want to stop gambling" and asking for permanent closure signals potential gambling problem and risk, but Support ignored it and closed my account temporarily.
I made my request via Live Chat, and the agent should have clarified or forwarded it correctly or instructed me to send an email myself.
According to SpinGranny’s T&C, the self-exclusion facility applies to anyone who feels their gambling is out of control and wants help to stop. My request - "I want to stop gambling" and permanent closure - clearly met these criteria, yet the casino treated it as a general closure and failed to apply the safeguards, directly leading to harm.
Given the mishandling and foreseeable financial harm, I ask the casino to take responsibility and refund the net losses between 05/02 and 07/02.
These losses were exactly what I was trying to prevent with my request. I knew I would get funds the next day, and every time I had money, I lost control, so I couldn’t afford further losses.
The casino treated my request very lightly, ignoring the reason behind it completely, which is a clear lapse in responsible gambling practice.
Dana 07.02. u 9:25 ujutru sam kontaktirala liniju za podršku za samoubice jer sam bila preopterećena gubitkom tolikog pozajmljenog novca. Istog jutra sam dobila poslednjih 1000 dolara koje sam pozajmila od rođaka i uplatila ih u 10:32. To je bio moj poslednji depozit na SpinGranny.
Moja namera da trajno prestanem sa kockanjem bila je jasna, ali podrška nije postupila u skladu sa tim. Podrška je trebalo da me pita zašto želim da prestanem sa kockanjem i da potvrdi da li nameravam samoisključenje. Mnogi igrači zahtevaju trajno zatvaranje verujući da je to ekvivalentno neodređenom samoisključenju - apsolutnoj verziji koja sprečava ponovno otvaranje.
Pošto se ovi zahtevi šalju putem imejla ili ćaskanja i ne mogu se direktno izabrati na vašem nalogu, neophodno je da podrška sa njima postupa pažljivo i da pojasni kada je to potrebno.
Ovo uključujem samo da bih istakao važnost odgovarajućeg postupanja sa takvim zahtevima i razjašnjavanja sa igračem, jer je ovo ključni korak u odgovornom kockanju kako bi se sprečila predvidljiva šteta.
Igrači koji se bore sa zavisnošću od kockanja mogu imati trenutke jasnoće kada zahtevaju da prestanu, ali njihovo racionalno razmišljanje nestaje kada sredstva postanu dostupna ili kada razmatraju ponovno otvaranje naloga. Zbog toga bi Podrška trebalo da razjasni takve zahteve i primeni zaštitne mere u trenutku zahteva.
Molimo vas da označite ove snimke ekrana kao osetljive informacije.
Sada dobijam pomoć i preduzimam strože mere, ali ova šteta je mogla biti sprečena.
Pošto izgleda kao da spamujem žalbu, odgovoriću ako se zatraže dodatne informacije. Već sam dostavio sve relevantne činjenice i dokumentaciju.
On 07/02 at 9:25am I contacted a suicide support line due to being overwhelmed from losing so much borrowed money. That same morning I got the last 1k I borrowed from a relative and deposited it at 10:32am. That was my last deposit on SpinGranny.
My intention to stop gambling permanently was clear, yet Support failed to treat it accordingly. Support should have asked why I wanted to stop gambling and confirmed whether I intended self-exclusion. Many players request permanent closure believing it is equivalent to indefinite self-exclusion - the absolute version that prevents reopening.
Since these requests are sent via email or chat and cannot be selected directly in your account, it is essential that Support handles them with care and clarifies when needed.
I am only including this to highlight the importance of treating such requests appropriately and clarifying with the player, as this is a critical step in responsible gambling to prevent foreseeable harm.
Players struggling with gambling addiction can have moments of clarity when requesting to stop, but their rational thinking disappears once funds become available or when they consider reopening their account. This is why Support should clarify such requests and apply safeguards at the time of the request.
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I am getting help now and taking stricter measures but this harm could have been prevented.
As it looks like I'm spamming the complaint, I will reply if further information is requested. I have already provided all relevant facts and documentation.
Želeo bih da vas zamolim da odgovorite samo na konkretna pitanja ili da podelite neophodne informacije.
Pisanje dugih poruka bez dodate vrednosti čini temu manje jasnom i zapravo mi otežava rad.
Nakon pregleda svih dokaza koje ste vi i kazino pružili, došao sam do sledećeg zaključka.
U porukama u kojima ste tražili zatvaranje naloga, nije bilo pominjanja „samoisključenja", „problema sa kockanjem" ili „zavisnosti". Tim za podršku vas je u nekoliko navrata zamolio da pojasnite i pružite dodatna pojašnjenja. Kao odgovor, dali ste izjave poput „Nije zabavno", „Više ne pobeđujem" i „Želim da prestanem da se kockam". Smatramo da su ove izjave nejasne i odbacili smo brojne slične slučajeve na osnovu toga.
Bilo je više prilika da se tim za podršku jasno obavesti o problemu sa kockanjem.
Pored toga, tokom celog ovog perioda, opcija trajnog samoisključivanja je bila dostupna na vašem nalogu i mogla je biti aktivirana u roku od jednog minuta. Lično sam je testirao i potvrdio da ispravno funkcioniše.
Pre nego što sam nastavio dalje, kontaktirao sam kazino sa dodatnim zahtevom.
Dragi kazino SpinGranny,
Poslao/la sam vam imejl. Molimo vas da ga pregledate i podelite sa nama svoje mišljenje.
Hvala vam puno na saradnji.
Dear aqqn15,
I would like to ask you to reply only to specific questions or share necessary information.
Writing long messages without added value makes the thread less clear and actually makes my work more difficult.
Upon reviewing all the evidence provided by you and the casino, I have come to the following conclusion.
In the messages where you requested account closure, no reference was made to "self-exclusion," "gambling problem," or "addiction." The support team asked you on several occasions to elaborate and provide further clarification. In response, you provided statements such as "It’s not fun," "I’m not winning anymore," and "I want to stop gambling." We consider these statements to be vague, and we have rejected numerous similar cases on this basis.
There were multiple opportunities to clearly inform the support team about a gambling problem.
Additionally, throughout this period, a permanent self-exclusion option was available in your account and could have been activated within a minute. I personally tested it and confirmed that it functions properly.
Before proceeding further, I have contacted the casino with an additional request.
Dear SpinGranny Casino,
I have sent you an email. Please review it and share your point of view with us.
Hvala vam što kontinuirano razmatrate ovaj slučaj.
Da pojasnim, moji prethodni zahtevi za zatvaranje nisu sadržali reč „trajno" niti navedeni razlog. Ova žalba se konkretno odnosi na moj zahtev od 04.02., kada sam jasno izjavio da želim da zauvek prestanem da se kockam.
Iako nisam eksplicitno koristio termine „samoisključenje" ili „zavisnost od kockanja", zahtev za trajno zatvaranje i izjava „Želim da prestanem da se kockam" trebalo bi razumno tretirati kao potencijalni signal rizika, a ne kao rutinsko zatvaranje naloga.
Obaveze odgovornog kockanja nisu ograničene na specifičnu terminologiju. Kada igrač saopšti želju da trajno prestane sa kockanjem, to ukazuje na moguću ranjivost i zahteva pojašnjenje. Podrška je imala priliku da potvrdi da li sam nameravao samoisključenje ili da me uputi da ga aktiviram u okviru svog naloga, ali takve smernice nisu date.
Uslovi korišćenja kazina navode: „Takođe možete kontaktirati naš tim za podršku i obavestiti nas o svojoj odluci da prestanete da se kockate na SpinGranny-ju na određeni period ili zauvek."
Upravo to sam i uradio 04.02.
Moj nalog je ponovo otvoren istog dana, bez ikakvog perioda hlađenja ili dodatnih zaštitnih mera. Čak bi i primena sedmodnevnog perioda hlađenja sprečila naknadnu štetu. Vremenska linija to jasno pokazuje.
S poštovanjem molim da se žalba proceni posebno na osnovu zahteva od 04/02 i niza događaja koji su usledili.
Možete videti da je moj zahtev od 04.02. bio drugačiji od mojih prethodnih. Trebala mi je pomoć da prestanem. „Želim da prestanem da se kockam" može biti okidač za odgovorno kockanje. Izgubio sam kontrolu i morao sam da prestanem.
Nikada nisam rekao „Nije zabavno". Zatražio sam zatvaranje u decembru jer sam izgubio mnogo novca. Kontinuirano sam tražio besplatne bonuse kada nisam imao novca za igranje i bonuse za depozit kada bi sredstva postala dostupna.
Postoji velika razlika između „Ne želim više da igram" i „Želim da prestanem da se kockam".
Moj zahtev od 04.02. je bio ozbiljan zahtev za trajno zatvaranje kako bih prestao sa kockanjem. Moja zavisnost je izmakla kontroli i morao sam da prestanem. Korisnička služba je tražila povratne informacije, ali nije pojasnila da li želim da prestanem zbog problema sa kockanjem.
Čak i jednostavno dodatno pitanje od strane Podrške, u kojem bi se pitalo zašto želim da prestanem da se kockam ili da li imam problema sa kockanjem, moglo je napraviti značajnu razliku. Razjašnjenje da li je moj zahtev povezan sa problemom sa kockanjem bila bi razumna i srazmerna mera odgovornog kockanja.
Iako u potpunosti priznajem i preuzimam odgovornost za svoje postupke, verujem da kazino nije postupio u skladu sa duhom obaveza odgovornog kockanja. Kratko pojašnjenje ili kratak period razmišljanja mogli su sprečiti naknadnu štetu.
Da li reč trajno nije imala značenje? Ako ne nude trajna zatvaranja, mogli su da pojasne. Trajno sam zatvorio račune u irskim kazinima bez pominjanja zavisnosti i ne mogu ih ponovo otvoriti. Ovo loše rukovanje mi je nanelo ozbiljnu štetu.
Želja da se zauvek zaustavi na Spingranny-ju je u njihovom odeljku za samoisključivanje i to se poklapa sa mojim zahtevom.
Dear Igor,
Thank you for your continued review of this case.
To clarify, my previous closure requests did not include the word "permanent" or a stated reason. This complaint relates specifically to my request on 04/02, when I clearly stated that I wanted to stop gambling for good.
Although I did not explicitly use the terms "self-exclusion" or "gambling addiction," requesting permanent closure and stating "I want to stop gambling" should reasonably be treated as a potential risk signal rather than a routine account closure.
Responsible gambling obligations are not limited to specific terminology. When a player communicates a desire to stop gambling permanently, it indicates possible vulnerability and warrants clarification. Support had the opportunity to confirm whether I intended self-exclusion or to direct me to activate it within my account, but no such guidance was provided.
The casino’s own terms state: "You may also contact our support team and inform us of your decision to stop gambling at SpinGranny for a certain period or forever."
This is exactly what I did on 04/02.
My account was reopened the same day, without any cooling-off period or additional safeguards. Even applying a 7-day cooling-off period would have prevented the subsequent harm. The timeline clearly demonstrates this.
I respectfully ask that the complaint be assessed based specifically on the 04/02 request and the sequence of events that followed.
You can see my request on 04/02 was different from my previous ones. I needed help to stop. "I want to stop gambling" can be a responsible gambling trigger. I lost control and I needed to stop.
I never said "It's not fun". I requested closure in December because I lost a lot of money. I was continuously asking for free bonuses when I had no money to play and deposit bonuses when funds became available.
There is a big difference between "I don't wwnt to play anymore" and "I want to stop gambling".
My request on 04/02 was a serious permanent closure request to stop gambling. My addiction got out of hand and I needed to stop. Support was asking for feedback but didn't clarify whether I wanted to stop because of gambling problems.
Even a simple follow-up question from Support asking why I wanted to stop gambling or if I have gambling problems could have made a significant difference. Clarifying whether my request was related to a gambling problem would have been a reasonable and proportionate responsible gambling measure.
While I fully acknowledge and take responsibility for my own actions, I believe the casino did not act in line with the full spirit of responsible gambling obligations. A brief clarification or short cooling-off period could have prevented the subsequent harm.
Did the word permanent have no meaning? If they don't offer permanent closures they could have clarified. I've closed accounts permanently with Irish casinos without mentioning addiction and I can't reopen them. This mishandling has caused me severe harm.
Wanting to stop forever on Spingranny is in their Self-Exclusion section and that aligns with my request.
Rekli ste „ Tim za podršku vas je u nekoliko navrata zamolio da pojasnite i pružite dodatna pojašnjenja." - oni su samo tražili povratne informacije u imejlu gde su me pitali da potvrdim svoj zahtev, što nisam smatrao potrebnim u tom trenutku jer su rekli da će moj zahtev biti obrađen u skladu sa tim i, za mene, u tom trenutku, to je značilo da će moj nalog biti trajno zatvoren bez mogućnosti ponovnog otvaranja. Taj imejl vam je poslat.
Nisu me pitali da pojasnim u svom zahtevu od 04.02., što je bilo ključno. Molim vas, pogledajte dostavljenu dokumentaciju jer se sve dogodilo 04.02. i 05.02. Bio je 1 zahtev za ćaskanje uživo - nisu postavljena dalja pitanja, nije bilo jednostavnog „Zašto", i 1 imejl u kojem se tražilo da potvrdim svoj zahtev.
„Opcija trajnog samoisključivanja bila je dostupna na vašem nalogu i mogla je biti aktivirana u roku od jednog minuta. Lično sam je testirao i potvrdio da ispravno funkcioniše." - podrška je mogla da mi da uputstva umesto da prosleđuje moj zahtev VIP-u. Izgleda da se svi VIP zahtevi prosleđuju VIP-u. Takođe, ne vidim da se u njihovim Uslovima i odredbama pominje samoisključivanje koje se može aktivirati na vašem nalogu. Čak ni kada mi je dato objašnjenje dostupnih alata.
Moram da koristim jedan od dva termina: „zavisnost" ili „problemi sa kockanjem", ali ne znaju svi igrači termine specifične za kazino. Ključne reči poput ovih nisu jedini pokazatelji rizika.
U trenucima jasnoće, igrači koji se bore sa zavisnošću od kockanja mogu koristiti reči koje im najprirodnije dolaze da izraze svoju potrebu za prestankom, umesto specifične terminologije.
Kazino je moralo da pojasni ako je moj razlog smatran nejasnim. Imam posla sa očiglednom štetom jer nisam upotrebio konkretnu reč, ali da li je kazino bio fer što nije pojasnio?
Možda bi onlajn kazina trebalo da budu obavezna da pitaju igrače da li pate od zavisnosti od kockanja kada zahtevaju zatvaranje ili samoisključenje. To je odgovor da ili ne koji sve razjašnjava.
Takođe, bio bih zahvalan na pojašnjenju zašto Uslovi i odredbe kazina i politika odgovornog kockanja nisu direktno obrađeni u proceni.
I SpinGranny i Casino Guru izgleda previđaju šta je napisano u uslovima i odredbama i upoređuju to sa mojim zahtevom. Period hlađenja nijednom nije pomenut ni sa jedne strane.
I želim da dodam da nisam rekao „Želim da prestanem da se kockam" jer nije bilo zabavno - reči koje nikada nisam koristio. Želeo sam da prestanem jer patim od teške depresije zbog kockanja i želeo sam da prestanem kada mi je izmaklo kontroli. Imam dokumentovani dokaz da patim od teške zavisnosti od kockanja. Na Spingranny-ju sam se kockao iznosima daleko iznad onoga što sam mogao da priuštim, uključujući 2 kredita i pozajmljeni novac u ukupnom iznosu od 10.000 evra + pune plate za manje od 3 meseca, ali nisu sprovedene nikakve provere priuštljivosti.
Spingranny ima kompletne politike o RG i AML na svojoj veb stranici, ali one uopšte nisu poštovane u mom slučaju i kada podnesem žalbu, oni je odbiju bez provere činjenica u odnosu na te politike.
Ovde je stvoren narativ o „frustraciji zbog gubitka" zasnovan na prethodnim porukama, a ne na „indikatoru zavisnosti". Osvojio sam velike iznose u ovom kazinu, nisam se kockao da bih pobedio. Zavisnici od kockanja se ne kockaju da bi pobedili. Oni podižu novac, vraćaju sve i još mnogo toga. Nesumnjivo je „želim da prestanem da se kockam" jasan pokazatelj problema sa kockanjem. Ono što je usledilo kasnije je to i dokazalo.
Igrači ovde podnose žalbe kako bi se obratili stvarnim zabrinutostima u vezi sa odgovornim kockarskim praksama. Iako razumem da određene ključne reči mogu pokrenuti formalne zaštitne mere, pravedna procena treba da uzme u obzir puni kontekst i sve predstavljene argumente, uključujući formulaciju politike, vreme i odsustvo zaštitnih mera.
Razočaravajuće je što i SpinGranny i Casino Guru izgleda odbacuju predvidljivu štetu koju je prouzrokovalo rukovanje mojim nalogom.
Ključne tačke ove žalbe su potpuno ignorisane: trajno zatvaranje + potencijalni razlog rizika - bez daljih pojašnjenja; ista osoba potvrđuje zatvaranje + ponovno otvaranje naloga nekoliko sati kasnije; zahtev za samoisključivanje iz uslova i odredbi koji se savršeno podudara sa formulacijom samoisključenja, ali nije tretiran kao takav; nije primenjen period hlađenja.
Vaš zaključak ne uspeva da se bavi ključnim kršenjima procedura odgovornog kockanja od strane SpinGranny-ja.
S poštovanjem molim da se procena bavi ponovnim otvaranjem istog dana, uslovima i odredbama kazina i politikom RG u vezi sa mojim zahtevom, kao i odsustvom zaštitnih mera, uključujući period hlađenja, umesto da se fokusira isključivo na odsustvo jedne ključne reči.
Samo sam tražio pravednu procenu činjenica. Ova šteta je mogla biti sprečena i razočaran sam koliko odbacujuće deluje ovo rešenje žalbe.
Zar se ovo ne može eskalirati za drugi pregled?
Ako se ovo pitanje ne reši ovde, moraću da eskaliram svoju žalbu putem drugih platformi za rešavanje sporova, relevantnog regulatora ili tela za alternativno rešavanje sporova. Takođe mogu potražiti pravni savet ako je potrebno, jer su besplatni saveti o kockanju dostupni u Irskoj.
Dear Igor,
You said "The support team asked you on several occasions to elaborate and provide further clarification." - they only asked for feedback in the email where they asked me to confirm my request, which I didn't deem necessary at that time as they said my request will be processed accordingly and, to me, in that moment, it meant my account will be closed permanently with no possibility of reopening. That email was sent to you.
They didn't ask me to clarify in my request on 04/02, which was crucial. Please look at the documentation provided as everything happened on 04/02 and 05/02. There was 1 Live Chat Request - no further questions asked, not a simple "Why", and 1 email asking me to confirm my request.
"A permanent self-exclusion option was available in your account and could have been activated within a minute. I personally tested it and confirmed that it functions properly." - support could have instructed me instead of forwarding my request to VIP. It seems all VIP requests are forwarded to VIP. Also, I see no such mention of self exclusion that can be activated in your account in their T&C. And not even once I was given explanation of the tools available.
I am required to use one of the 2 terms: "addiction" or "gambling problems" but not all players know casino-specific wording. Keywords like these are not the only indicators of risk.
In moments of clarity, players struggling with gambling addiction may use the words that come most naturally to express their need to stop, rather than specific terminology.
Clarification was necessary from the casino side if my reason was considered vague. I am dealing with clear harm because I didn't use a specific word, but was the casino fair in not clarifying?
Maybe online casinos should be required to ask players if they suffer of gambling addiction when requesting closures or self exclusions. That's a yes or no answer that clarifies everything.
Also, I would appreciate clarification on why the casino’s Terms & Conditions and Responsible Gambling policy have not been directly addressed in the assessment.
Both SpinGranny and Casino Guru seem to overlook what is written in the T&C and compare it to my request. The cooling off period hasn't been addressed once by either side.
And I want to add that I didn't say "I want to stop gambling" because it was no fun - words I've never used. I wanted to stop because I suffer from severe depression because of gambling and I wanted to stop as it got out of control. I have documented proof that I suffer of bad gambling aaddiction. On Spingranny I have gambled amounts way above what I could have afforded, including 2 loans and borrowed money totalling €10,000 + full salaries in less than 3 months yet no affordability checks have been performed.
Spingranny has full RG & AML policies on their website but they weren't followed at all in my case and when I raise a complaint they deny it without checking the facts against those policies.
A narrative of "loss frustration" based on previous messages rather than an "addiction indicator" was created here. I won large amounts in this casino, I wasn't gambling to win. Gambling addicts don't gamble to win. They withdraw, put it all back in and more. Undeniably "I want to stop gambling" is a clear indicator of gambling problems. What followed afterwards proved it.
Players raise complaints here to address genuine concerns about responsible gambling practices. While I understand that certain keywords may trigger formal safeguards, a fair assessment should consider the full context and all arguments presented, including policy wording, timing, and the absence of safeguards.
It is disappointing that both SpinGranny and Casino Guru appear to be dismissing the foreseeable harm caused by the handling of my account.
Key points of this complaint have been completely ignored: permanent closure + potential risk reason - no further clarification; same person confirming closure + reopening account a few hours later; request matching T&C self-exclusion wording perfectly yet not treated as such; no cooling-off period applied.
Your conclusion fails to address key breaches of Responsible Gambling procedures by SpinGranny.
I respectfully ask that the assessment address the same-day reopening, the casino’s T&C and RG policy in relation to my request, and the absence of safeguards including the cooling-off period, rather than focusing solely on the absence of a single keyword.
I have only asked for a fair assessment of the facts. This harm could have been prevented and I am disappointed by how dismissive this complaint resolution feels.
Can this not be escalated for a 2nd review?
If this matter is not resolved here, I will have to escalate my complaint through other dispute platforms, the relevant regulator, or an ADR body. I may also seek legal advice if necessary, as free gambling guidance is available in Ireland.
S poštovanjem molim da moj slučaj pregleda drugi agent koji sprovodi potpunu i nezavisnu procenu u skladu sa Uslovima i odredbama kazina, politikama odgovornog kockanja i procedurama samoisključivanja. Moj početni zahtev za trajno zatvaranje naloga od 04.02., podnet iz razloga koji ukazuje na zabrinutost u vezi sa kockanjem, i ponovno otvaranje mog naloga istog dana od 05.02., trebalo bi direktno analizirati u odnosu na ova pravila, umesto da se oslanjam na nepovezane prošle poruke ili uska tumačenja.
Prema sopstvenom Kodeksu za fer kockanje Casino Guru-a, od kazina se očekuje da rešavaju problematične situacije i primenjuju mere zaštite odgovornog kockanja kao deo fer i bezbedne prakse. U mom slučaju, ovi standardi, uključujući pojašnjenje signala rizika, primenu odgovarajućih mera zaštite i razmatranje perioda hlađenja, nisu bili smisleno razmotreni.
Takođe me zabrinjava što trenutni zaključak ne obrađuje nijedan od propusta kazina u rešavanju mog zahteva i ostavlja utisak da je procena u potpunosti u korist kazina, umesto da sprovede uravnoteženu proveru činjenica i dužnosti kazina da postupa sa pažnjom, kao i njegovog poštovanja uslova i odredbi.
Verujem da je ovo pravedan i razuman zahtev bez obzira na ishod.
I respectfully request that my case be reviewed by another agent who conducts a full and independent assessment in line with the casino’s Terms & Conditions, Responsible Gambling policies, and Self-Exclusion procedures. My initial request for permanent account closure on 04/02, made for a reason that signals gambling-related concerns, and the same-day reopening of my account on 05/02, should be analyzed directly against these rules, rather than relying on unrelated past messages or narrow interpretations.
According to Casino Guru’s own Fair Gambling Codex, casinos are expected to handle problematic situations and apply Responsible Gambling safeguards as part of fair and safe practice. In my case, these standards, including clarification of risk signals, application of appropriate safeguards, and consideration of the cooling-off period, were not meaningfully addressed.
I am also concerned that the current conclusion does not address any of the casino’s failures in handling my request and gives the impression that the assessment leans entirely in favor of the casino, rather than conducting a balanced review of the facts and the casino’s duty of care, as well as its T& C adherence.
I believe this is a fair and reasonable request regardless of the outcome.
Sve što sam naveo je neophodno za moj slučaj. Tražim samo pravednu reviziju mog zahteva za trajno zatvaranje podnetog 04.02. i naknadnog zatvaranja i ponovnog otvaranja 05.02. Molim vas da pregledate Uslove i odredbe kazina i politiku samoisključivanja, jer o njima nije reči u vašem zaključku, a ni kazino se ne bavi ovim pitanjem.
U svom zahtevu sam koristio tačne reči „prekini kockanje" i „trajno/zauvek", ali to nije tretirano kao samoisključenje, niti mi je ponuđena opcija samoisključenja ili upućeno da pošaljem imejl. Prema politici, otkazivanje takvih zahteva treba da se desi tek nakon 7 dana, ali moj nalog je ponovo otvoren za manje od 1 dan, a svi gubici su se dogodili između 05.02. i 07.02.
Hvala vam na vremenu i razmatranju.
https://spingranny.com/self-exclusion
Dear Igor,
Everything I’ve provided is essential to my case. I am only requesting a fair review of my permanent closure request made on 04/02 and the subsequent closure & reopening on 05/02. Please review the casino’s T&C and Self-Exclusion policies, as these were not addressed in your conclusion and the casino is not addressing this matter either.
I used the exact words "stop gambling" and "permanent/forever" in my request, yet it was not treated as a self-exclusion, nor I was offered the option to self-exclude or being directed to send an email. According to the policy, cancellation of such requests should only occur after 7 days, yet my account was reopened in less than 1 day and all losses happened between 05/02 and 07/02.
Kao što sam ranije napomenuo, ne smatramo da je fraza „Želim da prestanem da se kockam" dovoljna i na osnovu toga smo odbacili mnoge slične slučajeve.
U jednoj od vaših poruka u ovoj temi, izjavili ste da vas kazino nikada nije pitao šta mislite pod ovom frazom.
Imajte u vidu da vas je tim za podršku kazina više puta tražio da detaljnije objasnite svoje izjave. Međutim, ni u jednoj od tih poruka niste pomenuli „samoisključenje", „problem sa kockanjem" ili slične termine. Na primer, pogledajte priloženi snimak ekrana od 31.1.2026.
Bilo je više prilika da se tim za podršku jasno obavesti o problemu sa kockanjem. Stoga, okrivljavanje kazina što nije postavio određeno pitanje u određeno vreme nije razumno u ovom kontekstu.
Nažalost, pošto vaš nalog nije zatvoren zbog problema vezanih za kockanje, njegovo ponovno otvaranje je bilo moguće u bilo kom trenutku.
Konačno, tokom celog ovog perioda, opcija trajnog samoisključivanja je bila dostupna na vašem nalogu i mogla je biti aktivirana u roku od jednog minuta.
Zbog gore navedenih razloga, sada ćemo odbaciti ovu žalbu. Hvala vam na razumevanju. Iskreno mi je žao što nismo bili u mogućnosti da vam efikasnije pomognemo u ovoj konkretnoj situaciji, jer uvek težimo da pomognemo igračima da reše svoje probleme kad god je to moguće.
Molimo vas da imate u vidu da nas možete ponovo kontaktirati ako naiđete na bilo kakve probleme sa ovim ili bilo kojim drugim kazinom u budućnosti. Bilo da je u pitanju pitanje, nedoumica ili novi problem koji treba ispitati, naš tim je tu i spreman da vam pomogne.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Igor
Dear aqqn15,
Regarding your questions:
As I mentioned earlier, we do not consider the phrase "I want to stop gambling" to be sufficient, and we have rejected many similar cases on this basis.
In one of your messages in this thread, you stated that the casino never asked what you meant by this phrase.
Please note that the casino support team asked you multiple times to elaborate and provide detailed clarification regarding your statements. However, in none of those follow-up messages did you mention "self-exclusion," "gambling problem," or similar terms. For example, please refer to the attached screenshot from 31/1/2026.
There were multiple opportunities to clearly inform the support team about a gambling problem. Therefore, blaming the casino for not asking a specific question at a specific time is not reasonable in this context.
Unfortunately, since your account was not closed due to gambling-related problems, reopening it was possible at any time.
Lastly, throughout this period, a permanent self-exclusion option was available in your account and could have been activated within a minute.
Due to the aforementioned reasons, we will now proceed to reject this complaint. Thank you for your understanding. I am genuinely sorry that we were not able to assist you more effectively in this particular situation, as we always aim to help players resolve their issues whenever possible.
Please remember that you are welcome to contact us again if you run into any problems with this or any other casino in the future. Whether it is a question, a concern or a new issue that needs to be looked into, our team is here and ready to support you.
Best regards,
Igor
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