Zdravo,
Ovaj proces traje već 48 dana. Proveo sam oko 50 sati na ovom slučaju, pokušavajući da dobijem odgovarajuće objašnjenje od kazina. Dobio sam nekoliko objašnjenja od osoblja kazina (npr. „limit isplate od 5%", „poseban bonus dobrodošlice", „uslovi specifični za promociju"), uključujući direktno kontradiktorne izjave. Od prvog dana sam dovodio u pitanje primenljivost klauzule 7.16 u uslovima i odredbama kazina. Najvažnije je da mi je menadžer VIP naloga kazina dva puta rekao da se ova klauzula odnosi samo na bonuse bez depozita i da ne utiče na bonuse zasnovane na depozitu. Odeljenje za žalbe kazina mi je još jednom dalo novo i drugačije objašnjenje (maksimalna konverzija od 15 puta depozita) i nije navelo ovu klauzulu kao razlog. Oboje su izjavili da priznaju da su prethodni odgovori mogli izazvati zabunu u vezi sa referencama na klauzule, a odeljenje za žalbe mi je reklo da će koristiti moje povratne informacije u vezi sa klauzulom 7.16 da „sprovedu internu preobuku kako bi osigurali da naš tim za podršku pruža jasnije smernice o uslovima specifičnim za promociju u budućnosti". Poslao sam Kazino Guruu relevantnu e-poštu. Predstavnik kazina verovatno ima pristup i imejlovima iz kazina.
Kako je moguće da sam dobio toliko različitih objašnjenja u vezi sa tim na čemu se zasniva prilagođavanje mog stanja? Kako je moguće da se menadžer VIP naloga kazina, a izgleda i odeljenje za žalbe kazina, ne slažu sa odgovorom predstavnika kazina koji je ovde dat?
Što se tiče klauzule 7.16, primetio sam da kazino koristi isti obrazac uslova i odredbi koji koriste desetine različitih kazina. Nakon istraživanja, čini mi se da postoji originalna verzija klauzule 7.16 koja je napisana na sledeći način (npr. https://onlyspins.com/en/rules, https://glorion.com/en/rules i bezbroj drugih):
7.16 Svaki kazino bonus bez depozita ima zahteve za klađenje od x40 (četrdeset). Svaki takav bonus ima maksimalni limit za povlačenje od x5 (pet) iznosa primljenog bonusa. Na primer, bonus bez depozita od 20 EUR (dvadeset) imaće maksimalni limit za povlačenje od 100 EUR (sto). Svi dobici iznad 100 EUR (sto) neće biti podobni za povlačenje i biće poništeni i uklonjeni sa stanja na računu u fazi povlačenja.
Sada, ne smatram kazino odgovornim za uslove i odredbe drugih kazina - samo ukazujem na promenu koja je napravljena u ovoj konkretnoj klauzuli o Spinight Casino-u - to jest, fraza „bilo koji bonus bez depozita" je promenjena u „svi". I zato sam od početka dovodio u pitanje primenljivost ove klauzule. Zahtev za klađenje pomenut u ovoj klauzuli nije kompatibilan sa zahtevom za klađenje bonusa koji sam dobio i onog pomenutog u klauzuli 7.11. Fraza „bilo koji takav bonus..." nema mnogo smisla nakon promene. Izabrani primer slučaja koji je dat je i dalje primer bonusa bez depozita. Po mom mišljenju, klauzula je takođe u suprotnosti sa klauzulom 7.14.
I opet, najvažnije od svega, kazino mi je nekoliko puta rekao da ova klauzula nije razlog za prilagođavanje mog stanja, jer se odnosi samo na bonuse bez depozita.
Da bismo dalje demonstrirali problematičnu prirodu gorepomenute klauzule: Ako pogledamo, na primer, uslove paketa dobrodošlice kazina (u promocijama -> paket dobrodošlice), u uslovima se pominje da je za određene zemlje „Ponuda dobrodošlice podložna pravilu o maksimalnoj isplati dobitka od 10 puta vrednosti iznosa bonusa". Ali se takođe pominje da je „promocija važeća prema našim opštim uslovima i odredbama". Da li su kupci obmanuti prvom izjavom, ako opšti uslovi i odredbe i dalje važe? Zar ne vredi pomenuti u uslovima ponude dobrodošlice da je, inače, za sve ostale zemlje pravilo isplate 5 puta?
Očigledno nisam zadovoljan odgovorom predstavnika kazina koji je ovde dat, posebno imajući u vidu prethodna objašnjenja koja sam dobio od kazina u poslednjih 48 dana. Moram reći da je ovo bilo ubedljivo najzbunjujuće i najfrustrirajuće iskustvo koje sam imao sa bilo kojim kazinom. Tvrdim da bi kazino trebalo da mi vrati iznos od 463,56€ koji je nestao sa mog računa u trenutku ispunjenja uslova za klađenje. Ako kazino želi da obavesti svoje klijente da su svi njihovi bonusi zasnovani na depozitu ograničeni sa 5 puta većim iznosom bonusa za isplatu, smatram da bi to trebalo biti izuzetno jasno navedeno u njihovim Uslovima i odredbama (i drugim uslovima specifičnim za promociju), i stoga smatram da bi kazino, između ostalog, trebalo da ispravi i preformuliše klauzulu 7.16 u svojim Uslovima i odredbama.
Hvala Kazino Guruu što je kontaktirao kazino u vezi sa ovim pitanjem, jer kazino nije odgovorio nakon odgovora odeljenja za žalbe. Želeo bih da dodam da izgleda da informacije o licenci navedene na stranici Kazino Gurua namenskoj za kazino Spajnajt deluju zastarelo. Ne mogu da pronađem pomen kazina Spajnajt u registru licenci Anžuan Gejminga.
Hello,
This process has been ongoing for 48 days now. I've spent around 50hrs on this case, trying to get a proper explanation from the casino. I've received several explanations from the casino's staff (e.g. "5% cashout limit", "special welcome bonus", "promotion-specific terms"), including directly contradictory statements. I have questioned the applicability of clause 7.16 in the casino's T&C since day 1. Most importantly, I have been told by the casino's VIP account manager twice that this clause only concerns no-deposit bonuses and does not affect deposit based bonuses. The casino's complaint department yet again gave me a new and different explanation (maximum conversion of 15x deposit), and did not cite this clause as the reason. Both stated that they acknowledge prior responses may have caused confusion regarding clause references, and the complaint department told me they will be using my feedback regarding clause 7.16 to "conduct internal retraining to ensure our support team provides clearer guidance on promotion-specific terms in the future". I have sent Casino Guru the relevant email exchange. The casino representative probably has access to the emails from the casino also.
How is it possible that I have received such a variety of different explanations regarding what the adjustment of my balance is based on? How is it possible that the casino's Vip account manager and it appears also the casino's complaint department disagrees with casino representative's answer provided here?
Regarding clause 7.16, I have noticed that the casino is using the same template of T&C that dozens of different casinos are using. After some research, it appears to me that there is an original version of clause 7.16 that is written as follows (e.g. https://onlyspins.com/en/rules, https://glorion.com/en/rules, and countless others):
7.16 Any no-deposit casino bonus has wagering requirements of x40 (forty). Any such bonus has a maximum withdrawal limit of x5 (five) the bonus amount received. For example, a 20 EUR (twenty) no-deposit bonus will have a maximum withdrawal limit of 100 EUR (one hundred). Any winnings above 100 EUR (one hundred) will not be eligible for withdrawal and will be voided and removed from the account balance at the withdrawal stage.
Now, I am not holding the casino responsible for the T&C of other casinos - I am merely pointing out the change that has been made to this particular clause on Spinight Casino - that is, the phrase "any no-deposit" has been changed to "all". And this is why I have questioned the applicability of this clause from the beginning. The wagering requirement mentioned in this clause is not compatible with the wagering requirement of the bonus I received and the one mentioned in clause 7.11. The phrase "any such bonus..." makes little sense following the change. The chosen example case provided is still an example of a no-deposit bonus. In my opinion, the clause is also contradictory to clause 7.14.
And again, most importantly, I have been told several times by the casino that this clause was not the reason for the adjustment of my balance, as it concerns only no-deposit bonuses.
To demonstrate the problematic nature of the aforementioned clause further: If we look at the casino's welcome package terms for example (in promotions -> welcome package), it is mentioned in the terms that for certain countries "The welcome offer is subject to a max win cash-out rule 10x the value the bonus amount". But it is also mentioned that the "promotion is valid per our general terms and conditions". Are customers misled with the former statement, if the general T&C still stands? Is it not worth mentioning in the welcome offer terms that, by the way, for all other countries the cash-out rule is 5x?
I am obviously not satisfied with the casino representative's answer provided here, especially considering the prior explanations I have received from the casino during the last 48 days. I must say this has been by far the most confusing and frustrating experience I've had with any casino. I maintain that the casino should refund me the sum of 463,56€ that disappeared from my balance at the time of completing the wagering requirement. If the casino wishes to inform their customers that all their deposit-based bonuses are limited with a 5x bonus amount cash-out limit, I believe that should be made exceptionally clear in their T&C (and other promotion-specific terms), and therefore I believe the casino should, among other things, correct and rephrase clause 7.16 in their T&C.
Thanks to Casino Guru for contacting the casino regarding this matter, as the casino remained unresponsive after the complaint department's response. I would like to add that it appears the license information mentioned on Casino Guru's dedicated page for Spinight casino seems outdated. I am unable to find a mention of Spinight Casino in the Anjouan Gaming license register.
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