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The player from Germany faced issues with his withdrawal request of €1539 after he had completed the wagering requirements for a VIP bonus. He argued that his balance had been unjustly reduced to €750, citing incorrect application of the 10x rule and asserting that the specific bonus terms, which stated a maximum cashout of €1,000, should prevail. He requested a detailed breakdown of the balance calculation and a resolution for his withdrawal. The complaint was resolved after the VIP manager intervened and addressed the issue, confirming that the player's case was settled satisfactorily. The Complaints Team closed the complaint following the player's confirmation of resolution.
Igrač iz Nemačke suočio se sa problemima sa zahtevom za isplatu 1539 evra nakon što je ispunio uslove klađenja za VIP bonus. Tvrdio je da mu je stanje nepravedno smanjeno na 750 evra, navodeći pogrešnu primenu pravila 10x i tvrdeći da bi specifični uslovi bonusa, koji su navodili maksimalnu isplatu od 1.000 evra, trebalo da budu preovlađujući. Zatražio je detaljan pregled obračuna stanja i rešenje za svoje isplaćivanje. Žalba je rešena nakon što je VIP menadžer intervenisao i rešio problem, potvrđujući da je slučaj igrača zadovoljavajuće rešen. Tim za žalbe je zatvorio žalbu nakon što je igrač potvrdio rešenje.
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Dragi tim gurua kazina,
Podnosim formalnu žalbu u vezi sa odbitkom mog salda nakon što sam ispunio uslove klađenja za VIP bonus ponudu.
Činjenice:
• Depozit: 250 €
• Bonus: 75 €
• Klađenje završeno
• Ukupan iznos nakon klađenja: 701€
• Stanje u kombinaciji sa aktivnostima za pravi novac u kazinu i sportskom klađenju: 1539€
Zahtev za povlačenje: 1539€
• Stanje smanjeno na: 750 €
Odbitak je opravdan pozivanjem na opšte pravilo „10 puta veći iznos bonusa".
Međutim, ovo opravdanje je pogrešno iz sledećih razloga:
1️⃣ Posebni uslovi bonusa imaju prednost nad opštim pravilima
U VIP ponudi je jasno navedeno:
Maksimalna isplata: 1.000 €
U uslovima ponude nije bilo naznaka da bi posebno ograničenje od 10 puta nadjačalo ovaj navedeni maksimalni iznos isplate.
Konkretna promotivna ponuda sa sopstvenim uslovima ne može logički biti zamenjena opštom politikom bonusa nakon završetka.
Ako je maksimalni iznos isplate 1.000 evra, onda je primena ograničenja od 750 evra u suprotnosti sa eksplicitno oglašenim uslovima.
2️⃣ Dobici pravog novca nakon završetka klađenja
Nakon što je uslov za klađenje ispunjen:
• Preostali iznos je generisan kroz sportsko klađenje i kazino igre
• Ove opklade su postavljene pravim novcem (ne bonus sredstvima)
• Bonus je već u potpunosti konvertovan
Stoga se preostali iznos ne može u potpunosti tretirati kao „bonus dobitak".
Primena pravila 10x na profit od stvarnog novca ostvaren nakon što je klađenje završeno je neopravdana.
3️⃣ Nepravilna primena pravila 10x
Čak i ako bi se primenilo pravilo 10 puta:
10 × 75 € = 750 €
Ali konkretna ponuda jasno navodi maksimalnu isplatu od 1.000 evra.
Postojanje jasno navedenog maksimalnog isplatnog iznosa protivreči primeni opšte klauzule od 10 puta.
Zahtevana rezolucija
Molim:
• Detaljan prikaz načina na koji je utvrđeno 750 evra
• Pojašnjenje zašto je ignorisan navedeni maksimalni iznos isplate od 1.000 evra
• Prilagođavanje moje isplate u skladu sa oglašenim ograničenjem od 1.000 evra
Ako se ovaj problem ne može rešiti interno, proslediću ga nadležnom organu za licenciranje i službi za posredovanje u sporovima.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Leon
Dear Casino Guru Team,
I am submitting a formal complaint regarding the deduction of my balance after completing the wagering requirements of a VIP bonus offer.
Facts:
• Deposit: €250
• Bonus: €75
• Wagering completed
• Total balance after wagering: 701€
• Balance combined with Real Money activity in Casino and Sports Betting: 1539€
Withdrawal request: 1539€
• Balance reduced to: €750
The deduction was justified by referring to the general "10x bonus amount" rule.
However, this justification is incorrect for the following reasons:
1️⃣ Specific Bonus Terms Override General Policy
The VIP offer clearly stated:
Maximum Cashout: €1,000
There was no indication within the specific offer terms that a separate 10x cap would override this stated maximum cashout.
A specific promotional offer with its own conditions cannot logically be replaced by a general bonus policy after completion.
If the maximum cashout is €1,000, then applying a €750 cap contradicts the explicitly advertised terms.
2️⃣ Real Money Winnings After Wagering Completion
After the wagering requirement was completed:
• The remaining balance was generated through both sports betting and casino play
• These bets were placed with real money (not bonus funds)
• The bonus was already fully converted
Therefore, the remaining balance cannot be treated entirely as "bonus winnings".
Applying the 10x rule to real-money profits made after the wagering was completed is unjustified.
3️⃣ Incorrect Application of the 10x Rule
Even if the 10x rule were applied:
10 × €75 = €750
But the specific offer clearly states a €1,000 maximum cashout.
The existence of a clearly stated maximum cashout contradicts the application of the general 10x clause.
Requested Resolution
I request:
• A detailed calculation breakdown of how €750 was determined
• Clarification why the €1,000 stated maximum cashout was ignored
• Adjustment of my withdrawal according to the advertised €1,000 cap
If this issue cannot be resolved internally, I will escalate it to the relevant licensing authority and dispute mediation service.
Kind regards,
Leon
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Zdravo,
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli ovu žalbu. Žao mi je zbog problema koji imate. Dozvolite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja kako bismo razjasnili vašu situaciju.
Možete li mi, molim vas, poslati snimak ekrana sa pravilima bonusa povezanim sa VIP bonusom koji ste aktivirali i sa kojim ste igrali?
Koje ste igre igrali dok je bonus bio aktivan?
Koliko je bilo stanje na vašem računu nakon što ste ispunili uslove klađenja? Da li su vaši dobici bili ograničeni odmah nakon završetka klađenja?
Da li se na vašem nalogu stanje bonusa i stanje pravog novca prikazuju odvojeno? Ako jesu, da li su vaši dobici prebačeni na vaše stanje pravog novca odmah nakon što ste ispunili uslove klađenja?
Nadam se da ćemo moći da vam pomognemo da rešite ovaj problem što je pre moguće. Unapred vam hvala na odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav
Veronika
Hello,
Thank you very much for submitting this complaint. I'm sorry to hear about the problem you're experiencing. Please allow me to ask you a few questions to clarify your situation.
Could you please send me a screenshot of the bonus rules associated with the VIP bonus you activated and played with?
What games did you play while the bonus was active?
What was your account balance after you completed the wagering requirements? Were your winnings capped immediately after finishing the wagering?
In your account, are the bonus balance and real-money balance displayed separately? If so, were your winnings transferred to your real-money balance immediately after completing the wagering requirements?
I hope we will be able to help you resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Best regards
Veronika
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Zdravo,
Hvala vam na odgovoru.
Priložio sam snimak ekrana VIP bonusa koji sam aktivirao. Kao što je jasno prikazano na snimku ekrana, maksimalni iznos isplate naveden u specifičnim pravilima za bonus je 1.000 evra. U opisu ovog bonusa nema naznaka da bi maksimalni iznos isplate bio ograničen na 10 puta iznos bonusa (750 evra). Bonus je imao svoj jasno definisan uslov za maksimalnu isplatu.
Što se tiče igara koje sam igrao dok je bonus bio aktivan:
Uglavnom sam igrao slotove, posebno naslove od provajdera kao što su (npr. AvatarUX – Kitty Pop, i još nekoliko slot igara. Pored toga, kladio sam se i na sportske događaje tokom ovog perioda. Sportski kladioni događaji su bili isključivo sa pravim novcem.
Što se tiče strukture bilansa:
Na mom nalogu, stanje bonusa i stanje pravog novca su prikazani odvojeno i jasno razgraničeni. U svakom trenutku je bilo vidljivo koliko je novca sa bonusa, a koliko pravog novca.
Nakon što sam ispunio uslove za klađenje, moj saldo je bio približno 701 €. U tom trenutku, bonus je u potpunosti konvertovan i prebačen na moj saldo pravog novca.
Nakon toga:
Dobio/la sam povrat novca, koji je nezavisan od bonusa i dolazi bez uslova za klađenje. Povrat novca se uračunava kao pravi novac.
Prethodno postavljena sportska opklada je isplaćena. Ta opklada je postavljena pravim novcem i ni na koji način nije bila povezana sa bonusom.
Nakon što je sportska opklada obračunata i povraćaj novca je uplaćen, moj ukupan saldo se povećao na 1.539 evra.
Važno pojašnjenje:
701 € predstavlja iznos konvertovan nakon klađenja. Čak i da je primenjeno pravilo 10x (što osporavam jer je bonus navodio maksimalnu isplatu od 1.000 €), ja sam očigledno bio ispod i 750 € i 1.000 € u trenutku konverzije.
Dodatna sredstva (povraćaj novca + dobici od sportskog klađenja) generisana su isključivo pravim novcem i nezavisno od bonusa.
Stoga:
Kazino je ne samo pogrešno primenio pravilo o maksimalnoj isplati,
ali je takođe konfiskovao legitimne dobitke od pravog novca koji nisu bili povezani sa bonusom.
Pored toga, ovaj VIP bonus mi je ponuđen putem imejla. Prvo sam uplatio depozit, a bonus je dodat na moj račun zasebno i mogao sam ga aktivirati po svom nahođenju. Nije bio automatski povezan sa depozitom na način da se sredstva spoje. Ovo dodatno potvrđuje da su bonus sredstva i prava sredstva bila nezavisna.
Kada sam pokušao da ovo direktno razjasnim sa kazinom, komunikacija je bila izuzetno teška. Podrška putem ćaskanja uživo ili daje generičke odgovore („ova odluka je doneta") ili ne odgovara smisleno. Imejlovi nisu pravilno obrađeni. Čak sam više puta vraćan u red bez rešenja.
Iz moje perspektive, kazino:
Nepravilno je primenjena opšta politika bonusa umesto specifičnih uslova za VIP bonus.
Oduzeti su dobici od pravog novca koji nisu bili povezani sa bonusom.
Nije uspelo da se obezbedi transparentna komunikacija.
Cenim vašu pomoć u pažljivom razmatranju ovog pitanja.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Leon
Hello,
Thank you for your reply.
I have attached a screenshot of the VIP bonus I activated. As clearly shown in the screenshot, the maximum cashout stated in the specific bonus rules is €1,000. There is no indication in this bonus description that the maximum withdrawal would be limited to 10x the bonus amount (€750). The bonus had its own clearly defined maximum cashout condition.
Regarding the games I played while the bonus was active:
I mainly played slots, especially titles from providers such as (e.g. AvatarUX – Kitty Pop, and a few additional slot games. In addition, I also placed sports bets during this period. The sports bets were placed exclusively with real money.
Regarding the balance structure:
In my account, bonus balance and real-money balance are displayed separately and clearly distinguished. At all times, it was visible how much was bonus money and how much was real money.
After completing the wagering requirements, my balance was approximately €701. At that moment, the bonus was fully converted and transferred to my real-money balance.
Afterwards:
I received cashback, which is independent of the bonus and comes without wagering requirements. Cashback is credited as real money.
A previously placed sports bet was settled. That bet was placed with real money and was not connected to the bonus in any way.
After the sports bet was settled and cashback was credited, my total balance increased to €1,539.
Important clarification:
The €701 represents the amount converted after wagering. Even if the 10x rule were applied (which I dispute because the bonus stated a €1,000 max cashout), I was clearly below both €750 and €1,000 at the moment of conversion.
The additional funds (cashback + sports betting winnings) were generated exclusively with real money and independently from the bonus.
Therefore:
The casino not only misapplied the maximum cashout rule,
but also confiscated legitimate real-money winnings that were unrelated to the bonus.
Additionally, this VIP bonus was offered to me via email. I deposited first, and the bonus was added to my account separately and could be activated at my discretion. It was not automatically tied to the deposit in a way that merged funds. This further supports that bonus funds and real funds were independent.
When trying to clarify this directly with the casino, communication has been extremely difficult. The live chat support either provides generic answers ("this decision has been made") or does not respond meaningfully. Emails have not been properly addressed. I was even placed back into queue multiple times without resolution.
From my perspective, the casino:
Incorrectly applied a general bonus policy instead of the specific VIP bonus conditions.
Confiscated real-money winnings that were not related to the bonus.
Failed to provide transparent communication.
I appreciate your assistance in reviewing this matter carefully.
Kind regards,
Leon
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Nakon što je odluka administracije bila konačna, VIP menadžer me je nekako spasao.
Ipak, treba imati na umu da se uslovi i odredbe na prvi pogled čine nepravedno primenjenim.
After the administration's decision was final, the VIP manager somehow saved me.
Nevertheless, it should be kept in mind that the terms and conditions appear to be applied unfairly at first.
Nachdem die Entscheidung von der Administration Final war, hat der VIP Manager mich irgendwie gerettet.
Nichtsdestotrotz sollte das im Hinterkopf behalten werden, dass anscheinend die AGB unfair angewendet werden erstmal.
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Hvala vam na detaljnom opisu vašeg problema. Možete li, molim vas, detaljnije precizirati vašu poslednju poruku? Da li je VIP menadžer u međuvremenu rešio vašu situaciju ili treba da nastavimo sa istragom? Molim vas, obavestite me.
Thank you for the detailed description of your problem. Could you please specify in more detail your last message? Has the VIP manager resolved your situation in the meantime, or should we continue with the investigation? Please let me know.
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Dragi LeonLes27,
Produžavamo tajmer za 7 dana. Molim vas da znate da ukoliko ne odgovorite u zadato vreme ili ne pružite asistenciju, mi ćemo da odbijemo prigovor.
Dear LeonLes27,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
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Da, nakon više pokušaja, VIP menadžer je rešio moj slučaj!
Hvala vam!
Yes, after multiple attempts the VIP Manager has solved my case!
Thank you!
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Dragi LeonLes27,
Drago nam je da čujemo da je vaš problem rešen. Označićemo žalbu kao „rešenu" u našem sistemu. Cenimo vašu saradnju i potvrdu. Ako ikada u budućnosti naiđete na bilo kakve probleme sa ovim ili bilo kojim drugim kazinom, slobodno se obratite našem Centru za rešavanje žalbi. Tu smo da vam pomognemo.
Kao što znate, ne naplaćujemo naše usluge, niti prihvatamo bakšiš. Međutim, bili bismo vam veoma zahvalni ako biste odvojili trenutak da podelite svoje iskustvo sa našim uslugama na Trustpilot-u https://www.trustpilot.com/evaluate/casino.guru . Iskrena recenzija, zajedno sa svim predlozima za poboljšanje, bila bi neprocenjiva. Vaše povratne informacije bi mogle pomoći drugima koji možda razmišljaju da nas kontaktiraju za pomoć u vezi sa problemima vezanim za onlajn kazino.
Unapred vam hvala na vašem vremenu.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Veronika
Kazino Guru
Dear LeonLes27,
We're glad to hear that your issue has been resolved. We'll go ahead and mark the complaint as 'resolved' in our system. We appreciate your cooperation and confirmation. If you ever encounter any issues with this or any other casino in the future, please feel free to reach out to our Complaint Resolution Center. We're here to help.
As you know, we do not charge for our services, nor do we accept any gratuities. However, we would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to share your experience with our services on Trustpilot https://www.trustpilot.com/evaluate/casino.guru. An honest review, along with any suggestions for improvement, would be invaluable. Your feedback could help others who may be considering contacting us for assistance with online casino-related issues.
Thank you in advance for your time.
Best regards,
Veronika
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