Poštovani predstavnike Ybets-a,
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„Nakon što je utvrđeno da je igrač bio stanovnik Holandije (nakon KYC verifikacije), nije mu trebalo dozvoliti ili ga ohrabriti da igra na Ybets-u. Zadržavanjem njegovog stanja i nemogućnošću isplate, vršili ste pritisak na igrača da igra na Ybets-u kako bi mu se 'povećali limiti za isplatu'. Osim toga, nezakonito je dozvoliti mu da igra, to je jasno navedeno u Ybets-ovim uslovima korišćenja. Ybets je trebalo da posveti aktivnu pažnju, ali to nije poštovao."
Nakon što su sredstva igrača oduzeta i konačno vraćena posle 5 meseci, sredstva su trebalo da budu poslata „igraču" kako je više puta traženo.
Takođe, nakon nulte aktivnosti na nalogu tokom više od 5 meseci, nije bilo nikakvih zaštitnih mera niti je bilo ko iz Ybets tima proverio igrača i sve je bilo pri zdravoj pameti. Jedini predlozi koji su dati bili su da se više kladi i „bude aktivniji". Igrač je prešao sa nule na nekoliko stotina hiljada za nekoliko sati sa veoma dugim sesijama, a signali su ignorisani od strane Ybets-a.
Igrač je takođe više puta obavestio Ybets da ne želi da igra i da mu se preostali novac odmah pošalje. Da bi ga sprečio da igra, igrač je čak više puta pitao da li se nalog može zatvoriti i da mu se preostala sredstva pošalju. Ybets je odbio da to učini, iako je to očigledno bila opcija, takođe navedena u uslovima i odredbama, a na kraju je nalog zatvoren sa sredstvima na računu.
Zbog dozvoljavanja igraču iz Holandije da igra na Ybets-u, iako je jasno navedeno da to nije dozvoljeno uslovima Ybets-a, kao ni holandskim zakonom, opklade su nevažeće, a preostali iznos pre utvrđivanja državljanstva treba vratiti igraču.
Ybets je jasno pokazao da ne postoje zaštitne mere i da njihova namera nije bila da isplate dug igrača. Nisu se pridržavali nikakvih bezbednosnih mera koje bi onlajn kazino trebalo da poštuje i koje je trebalo da budu dostavljene igraču, kao što je navedeno u žalbi. Takođe, igrač je više puta u prošlosti zatvarao svoj nalog, što bi trebalo da bude signal za određene probleme koje igrač može imati, ali i to je ignorisano. Nalog igrača je istražen kako bi se sredstva vratila, trebalo je da to vide i iskoriste protiv igrača.
Igraču se i dalje duguje preostali iznos od oko 99 hiljada američkih dolara.
Igrač je ponudio Ybets-u nagodbu od 80 hiljada USDT, koju Ybets može prihvatiti ili izabrati da plati preostalih 99 hiljada USDT.
U ovom trenutku igrač je i dalje u kontaktu sa Ybets-om, ali će uslediti pravni postupci ako Ybets ne sledi nijednu od dve ponuđene opcije, jer je očigledno delovao sa lošom namerom.
Ybets treba da obaveste koju opciju žele da izaberu ili koju osobu mogu kontaktirati kako bi moj advokat mogao da podnese žalbu vlastima i pokrene pravni postupak.
Jasno je kakve su bile namere Ybets-a, i to jednostavno nije ispravno. Ako Ybets odluči da ignoriše ili ne ispuni ponudu isplatom preostalog iznosa ili prihvati ponudu za nagodbu, opcija pored pravnog postupka je i prijavljivanje takvih slučajeva različitim vladinim agencijama, kao što su Interpol za sajber kriminal, KSA iz Holandije, telima za licenciranje i svim drugim nadležnim organima za ovo pitanje.
Voleo bih da sredim stvari, ali ako Ybets odbije to da učini, postoji mnogo opcija. Trebalo je da budem isplaćen kada su sredstva vraćena posle 5 meseci, ali niste me naterali da igram i izgubio sam sredstva.
Ako se ne postigne dogovor ili se sredstva pošalju u celosti, dostavite sve pravne informacije kako bih mogao/mogla da ih prosledim svom advokatu ako je potrebno.
@Adame, možeš li, molim te, reći svoje mišljenje o ovome?
Hvala unapred.
Dear Ybets representative,
I would like to let you know that I talked to [removed by casino.guru admin] and discussed this case with them and they told me the following in summary:
"After establishing that the player was a dutch resident (after KYC verification) he shouldn’t have been allowed or encouraged to play at Ybets. By withholding his balance and not been able to cashout you have pressured the player in to playing at Ybets to ‘get his withdrawal limits increased’. Besides it is illegal to let him play, it is clearly stated in Ybets own terms and conditions. Ybets should have given active duty of care, but didn’t uphold this.
After the players funds were confiscated and finally returned after 5 months the funds should have been send to ‘the player’ as requested multiple times.
Also after 0 activity on the account for over 5 months there were no safeguards or any of the Ybets team that checked up on the player and everything was in his right mind, the only suggestions that were made was to bet more and ‘be more active’. The player went from 0 bets to a few hundred thousands in hours with very long sessions, the signals were ignored by Ybets.
The player has also notified Ybets multiple times that they didn’t want to play and that the balance should be send to him immediately. To prevent him from playing the player has even asked multiple times if the account could be closed and that the remaining funds could be send to him. Ybets refused to do so, while this was clearly an option, also stated in the terms and conditions and by the end when the account was closed with funds in the account.
For allowing a player from the Netherlands to play at Ybets while this is clearly stated that this is not allowed by Ybets own terms and also dutch law, the bets are void and the remaining balance before the nationality was established should be returned to the player.
Ybets has shown clearly that there are no safeguards and that their intention was not to pay out the balance owed by the player. They didn’t comply with any safety measures that an online casino should uphold and that should have been provided to the player as discussed in the complaint. Also the player has closed his account multiple times in the past, which should be a signal to certain issues that the player could have, also this was ignored. The players account was investigated to get the funds returned, they should have seen this and used this against the player.
The player is still owed the remaining balance of roughly 99k USDT.
The player has offered Ybets a settlement of 80k USDT, which Ybets can accept, or choose to pay the remaining 99k USDT.
At this moment the player is still in contact with Ybets, but Legal procedures will follow if neither of the two options given are followed by Ybets as they clearly acted with bad intent.
Ybets should notify which option they would like to choose or which person can be contacted so that my attorney could file a complaint with the authorities and proceed with legal action.
It is clear what Ybets intentions were, and that just isn’t right. If Ybets should choose to ignore or not comply by paying out the remaining balance or accept the settlement offer, the option besides legal action are also reporting them to different bodies of government agencies, like Interpol CyberCrime, the KSA from the Netherlands, licensing bodies, and any other related authorities to this issue."
I would like to work things out, but if Ybets refuses to do so, there are plenty of options. I should have been paid out when the funds were restored after 5 months, but you refused to get me playing and lose the funds.
If no settlement is reached of the funds are send in full, provide all the legal information so I can forward this to my attourney if needed.
@Adam could you please your view on this.
Thanks in advance.
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