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Frankey
pre 2 godina

I'm really wondering how it's going to develop in Germany. It's not a small market that anyone could afford to simply neglect. Germany is one of the most important markets in Europe so they should hurry up to find a solution 🙂

Daniel
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They lose a lot of tax money as most people looking for ways around it. Honestly, I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax if they let me put more than 1 Euro in a spin.

Top Bundesliga Player, who are idols to millions of children, still do ads for Betting sites on TV. It's officially illegal since the 1.7. 🤷🏼‍♂️🙄

Frankey
pre 2 godina

Who is it? Lewandowski?

Daniel
pre 2 godina

I honestly don't know. I don't know that much about football to put names on faces

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Trenutno razvoj u Njemačkoj je zaista nevjerovatan. Nemam pojma kakve veze ovo pokazivanje snage ima s demokratijom (i pod tim ne podrazumijevam nužno pravo na samoodređenje). Takođe nisam siguran da li Leudz zaista provjerava što se ovdje događa. Čak i uz rizik da se ponovim, opet ću to rezimirati:


  • Anonimne mogućnosti prijenosa novca postupno se ukidaju (npr. Paysafecard, Neosurf itd.)
  • Pribavljanje i čuvanje SVIH podataka o igračima zabilježenih u licenciranim kockarnicama (uključujući strategije klađenja, klađenje i ponašanje u igrama -> zahtjev usidren u ugovoru za postavljanje sigurnog servera, kao i za povezivanje na centralnu datoteku.
  • drastično smanjenje mogućnosti zarade smanjenjem RTP-a, "regulacija" iznosa uloga i, na kraju, ali ne najmanje važno, uklanjanjem igara bitnih za profit (jackpot / table / live)
  • Za igrače je igranje na mreži što je moguće neprivlačnije (pravilo od 5 sekundi, itd.)
  • sočno oporezivanje internet kazina
  • nova ograničenja se NE primjenjuju na državne kockarnice, lutrije itd.


Dakle, ovdje imamo državno organiziranu zaštitu isto tako državnih monopola u svrhu maksimiziranja dobiti, dok istovremeno s druge strane maksimaliziramo gubitke što je više moguće legalno.

Uz to, centralizirani BIG DATA resurs (WTF!) Koji je državi besplatno dostupan

Plus (gotovo neobavezno kroz stražnja vrata) organizirani pristup velikim nekripto-e-novčanicima, istovremeno eliminirajući anonimnost kada je riječ o financijskim transakcijama.


Zaštita igrača? Ozbiljno? Slavuj ick čuo si zamku.


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redd
pre 2 godina

That sounds harsh. Did they really decrease the RTP so players actually win less than before?

Daniel
pre 2 godina

yes. but the permission to do so came from Malta. published on 28.05.2021: "The amendment consists in the lowering of the existing minimum RTP percentage (applicable to operators offering their games online) from ninety-two per cent (92%) to eighty-five per cent (85%)."

so this is by far not only a topic for german players. many provider began already to offer RTP reduced variants of their slots. Push was one of the latest.

it needs seriously some notes by Casino Guru about this development, so the gambling community takes an advantage (and if its just a second look regarding the RTP version) of the provided information.


P.S: the mga's justification for this step is just as flimsy as that of the german state regarding regulations. 


source: https://www.mga.org.mt/the-mga-streamlines-the-return-to-player-percentage-applicable-to-both-remote-and-land-based-sectors/?fbclid=IwAR1HqpN7ADrPa5fUlsX2i0YIwZiuTeSt0mmtYuABpV_kpNG0xM_ip17HoH4

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i find the developments worrying in every respect. it may sound a bit exaggerated, but in my eyes, the state and the "authorities" are explicitly turning the screws in front of everybody's eyes. these are capitalistically motivated decision-making processes that are on the edge of legality and without a democratic decision-making basis. they just put on a little political cosmetics and makeshift camouflage: thats it. I think that's one of the things that makes me so pissed off: that it's not even an artful move or at least clever. or a great show. it's just a cheap trick. but that seems to be enough. 


on the other hand, you can see very well here why players, even if they are the foundation for the whole gambling-circus, don't have a lobby and never will have one. man...

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redd
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I also noted a development in a bad direction here in the Czech republic after the government applied regulations in 2017. To sum it up, entering the Czech market by getting the official license was so difficult for foreign casinos that ones who really care about their reputation rather withdrew from the market and closed all Czech accounts. On the other hand, there are many bad casinos that don't care about anything, including the players. Those remained open to Czech players.

So instead of giving the players an opportunity to play in great international casinos, they're often forced to play in shady casinos where you're never sure if you get your winnings. Of course, there are very good casinos that still accept the Czech players, but they're rather an exception.

Daniel
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sounds like it's the same in green in many ways. maybe the benefits of such regularities for the legislators differ from country to country. maybe also the hands that wash each other. but one thing is for sure: it's at the expense of the player. he pays for it, one way or another. (and then they talk about player protection - at least here Germany - ridiculous!)

redd
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Yes, it was the same case here. I'm not very familiar with the German environment, but I'm convinced that the regulations were done badly here in the Czech rep. due to lack of knowledge of the online gambling environment. I don't believe that the law was prepared by anyone who had any experience with how online casinos work and what the players really need in order to be protected.

Daniel
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i'm not quite sure whether it's really just because the politicians don't have a clue. they most likely don't - the fact, that people completely unfamiliar with the subject, evaluate and regulate very special and specific topics is unfortunately part of everyday politics. usually it's not very noticeable, at least if the affected population group is relatively small, doesn't put up enough resistance (or doesn't know how to stage this resistance in a media-effective way) or if there is no lobby with enough influence and capital.

(just to put my statements in the right perspective: i think that the misguided decisions concerning education policy or, for example, the care sector are far more drastic and worse than gambling issues.).


but the point is, however: the new laws and everything that is attached to them are, in my opinion, very well thought out (as stated in one of the previous posts: Generation of additional funds through taxation, strengthening of the state gambling monopoly, data collection & initialization of various control instances also and especially concerning money transfers). Unfortunately, this is not even an aluhut theory, just a list of facts. 

it doesn't matter at all what the decision makers actually know about the gambling industry or whether they know the gamblers' needs. or if they have an idea of how a meaningful support of gambling addicts (and those at risk) might look like.  because that´s simple not the purpose of the exercise - it never was.

Frankey
pre 2 godina

Razgovarao sam s Kentom u Slotwolfu e-poštom ove sedmice.

Tamo su Nijemci blokirane sve igre bez njemačke licence. Poslali su mi posebnu ponudu sa 100 besplatnih okretaja za Gold Digger sa depozitom od 50 €.

U svakom slučaju, igra je napokon zabranjena .. I morao sam trpjeti prasak zvijezda, koji ni meni nije uspio. Nakon puno naprijed-natrag postala je knjiga mrtvih. Played Odigrao sam stotinu utakmica i nakon što se nijedna od mojih najdražih igara vratila, bio sam frustriran i prebacio novac nazad, što je na sreću odmah uspjelo.

Slotwolf je sutradan napisao e-poštu u kojoj mi je Kent ponudio 50% povrata na sljedeći depozit.

Rekao sam mu da zbog toga jako žalim, ali u ovim okolnostima, uprkos uvijek uzornom postupanju Slotwolfa, obično igram negdje drugdje gdje još uvijek možete igrati sve.

Rekao je da bih trebao biti strpljiv i raditi na rješenju.

.. Sramota .. SLOTWOLF je bio na vrhu


U Duxcasinu je, kao što sam upravo primijetio, mnogo gore .. Čak i loše betsoft igre ne rade.

A unikrn nema 10 od bivših više od 700 u njemačkom programu.


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Daniel
pre 2 godina

I ja se pitam isto ..

Iako bih njemačko tržište klasificirao kao ne baš malo.

Mnogo dobro povezanih, bogatih kupaca;

oblikovan kapitalizmom i stoga inherentno sklon kocki.

U poređenju sa mnogim drugim zemljama u kojima najveće siromaštvo dominira većinom populacije, gotovo svi mogu sudjelovati u kockanju.

Pored toga, postoji nezanemarljiv udio zemalja u kojima je kockanje u potpunosti zabranjeno ili u kojima vrlo strogi zahtjevi izuzetno ograničavaju tržište, poput B u skandinavskim zemljama.



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DrSimonCem
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Yes, I'm really wondering how the German market is going to develop. It looks for now that many casinos simply weren't prepared for this.

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Yes, I'm really wondering how the German market is going to develop. It looks for now that many casinos simply weren't prepared for this.

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Kazina su imala dovoljno vremena za pripremu. Budući da su nova pravila stupila na snagu 15. oktobra prošle godine. Kao probni rad, da tako kažem.

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Oh, imam osjećaj da neće doći još puno toga.

Na to je već reagovano.

Ili možda ne

Reakcija ionako ostaje.

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Frankey
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I know they had time, but I also know how things work in different casinos. For example we recorded many complaints from players who filled their details (including country) when they registered in the casino and after they won, the casino told them that they're from a restricted country.

They easiest solution would be to remove restricted countries from the country list when you register. Then you'd simply know that if your country isn't there, you can't play in the casino. If you choose a different country, it's your fault, because you're obligated to register using correct information about yourself.

Even this simple step as removing restricted countries for the list is a big deal for some casinos. Thus I can imagine that applying changes with regards to the new German law can be quite impossible for some smaller casinos.

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