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pre 9 meseci
usrs

A snippet From another helpful member on this forum that I saved


Misuse of Chargeback Time Limits (e.g. 120 Days): If the bank dismissed your claim on the basis of a strict time limit, explain why that doesn’t fairly apply — especially if you only later realised what the transactions were or discovered that the merchants were acting illegally
pre 9 meseci
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In reality it only applies to criminal cases and exceptional circumstances such as holidays being cancelled. Information is generally available on it.


I have been through the absolute mire with Revolut, Visa, Mastercard and lots of different authorities including civil lawyers. Raised cases against Santeda in Curacao and they moved their licence to Anjouan! Got most funds back after the threat of legal action with Revolut but still want criminal action taken against Santeda and will continue to fight for that.

Anonymized912
pre 9 meseci
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In reality it only applies to criminal cases

Is this not the case though it being illegal?


Good for you! and thanks for the reply and information

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Kelly1234
pre 9 meseci
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I raised it as a complaint. A.I wrote me a lovely email to send. Strange how I've not heard from them yet tho.

It was disputing the transactions on affect tho.

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Someone.Else
pre 9 meseci
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Yes mine was essentially disputing transactions but was sent to complaints department, this was early March when I sent the initial email!

pre 9 meseci
usrs
In reality it only applies to criminal cases

Is this not the case though it being illegal?


Good for you! and thanks for the reply and information

pre 9 meseci
usrs

Illegal and criminal are not always the same thing sadly. If there is a literal criminal case against these companies/persons then that is precedent set. If they have operated illegally but have no criminal case then it's interpreted differently by the banks.

Kelly1234
pre 9 meseci
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I'll hold out to see what they say. Be nice to get the monies back, but if not, it's all my own doing.

Someone.Else
pre 9 meseci
usrs

what dates were your disputed transactions?

BettyBetty
pre 9 meseci
sersus

Možda malo kasnim, ali sam te dodao na Diskordu.

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pre 9 meseci
usrs

TRNDBM - any contact? Any detail?

pre 9 meseci
esrsus

Zdravo svima,

Želeo sam da podelim svoje iskustvo i da vas zamolim za povratne informacije o ozbiljnom problemu koji imam sa Revolutom, što mislim da se savršeno uklapa u ovu temu o netačnim MCC-ovima i licencama Kurasaoa.

Obavio sam transakcije sa operaterom igara na sreću koji, prema mom istraživanju, posluje neregulisano u Španiji (njegov glavni domen je blokiran, iako koristi alternativne domene kojima je moguće pristupiti).

Moj glavni problem su potpuno kontradiktorne i obmanjujuće informacije koje mi je Revolut pružio:

U aplikaciji i od Revolut podrške: Transakcije su se pojavljivale u kategorijama koje NISU ukazivale na kockanje. Na primer, „preduzeća koja se ne bave kockanjem", „Supermarketi i hrana" ili „PROFESIONALNE USLUGE". To me je navelo na pomisao da nisam vršio plaćanja za kockanje.

Kada pokušam da osporim plaćanja (sa podrškom za Revolut): Odjednom me obaveštavaju da su „pravila šeme kartica (Visa/Mastercard) klasifikovala transakcije kao kockanje". Najgore je što i sama podrška za Revolut priznaje da kategorizacija prikazana u njihovom sistemu (ona koju vidim u aplikaciji) „možda ne odražava tačno ovo". Drugim rečima, oni priznaju da šema kartica ima MCC za kockanje, ali mi u aplikaciji prikazuju generički.

Kontradikcija oko RevPoints-a: Revolut ima politiku da ne dodeljuje RevPoints-ove za kockarske transakcije. Potvrdio sam da mi NISAM dodeljeni RevPoints-ovi za ove transakcije. Ovo dokazuje da je Revolut interno klasifikovao ove transakcije kao kockanje od samog početka, uprkos tome što je bio zaveden time što je u aplikaciji prikazao drugačije. Kada sam pitao zašto poeni nisu dodati kupovinama koje „prema vama, nisu bile kockanje unutar Revolut-a", podrška nije mogla da pruži koherentan odgovor.

Nedoslednost u blokiranju: Revolut mi je rekao da blokiraju određene operatere kockanja zbog „lokalnih propisa u Španiji". Međutim, nisu blokirali transakcije ovom operateru (što je ilegalno u Španiji). Kada sam pitao zašto ove transakcije nisu blokirane ako su u pitanju kockarske transakcije, podrška mi je samo dala izgovore o složenosti blokada.

Pored toga, otkrio sam da sam imao sličnu transakciju sa drugom bankom (ING), koja je takođe generički kategorisana („Kupovine (ostalo)"), što ukazuje na širi problem sa načinom na koji finansijske institucije postupaju sa ovim kategorizacijama.

Podneo sam internu žalbu kompaniji Revolut i čekam njeno rešenje, pre nego što, ako je potrebno, budem mogao da kontaktiram Banku Španije.

Moje pitanje je: Da li mislite, sa svim ovim dokazima o kontradikcijama i obmanama od strane Revoluta, da imam čvrste razloge da zahtevam povraćaj novca? Da li je neko imao slična iskustva sa Revolutom i ovim dvostrukim MCC-om koji koriste za sporove?

Hvala vam na pomoći!

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M.414
pre 9 meseci
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This is really helpful, thank you.

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player0990
pre 9 meseci
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Banka Španije... će vam jednostavno reći da su transakcije bile uz saglasnost i da banka nema obavezu da prati ove platforme. Govorim vam ovo iz iskustva... pokušajte da izvršite pritisak na banku koliko god možete. To je jedini način da eskaliraju vaš spor.

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player0990
pre 9 meseci
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Takođe vam savetujem, kao što to čine mnogi ljudi na ovom forumu, da pokušate da pronađete informacije o prodavnici navedenoj na vašem izvodu. Kontaktirajte tu prodavnicu i pošaljite im imejl u kojem tvrdite da nikada niste ništa kupili od njih. Mnogi ljudi su dobili direktan povraćaj dela ili celog svog novca.

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Kelly1234
pre 9 meseci
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From February this year.

I have received some back by contacting the merchant directly myself. This was after I sent the email to the bank.

pre 9 meseci
usrs

I have been AWOL for a couple of weeks,I'm so fed up with all this and want t give up, I'm resigning to the fact I dnt think il get my 21k back, I've stopped getting replies from the casinos, my bank of Scotland accounts have all been closed including my childrens, I have a open case with the ombudsman regarding Starling and I'm about to submit one regarding bank of Scotland. Majority of these big transactions were June to November last year.


Got the email from gambling commission asking me all the questions, I've sill to email them back.

I've complained to the Curacao gaming board that most of these casinos do not have the CEG live seal on their websites which is a breach of their licence terms, and I've left negative trust pilot reviews.

I have tried contacting MasterCard and the ISO who make the rules for banks etc but no response.

I'm exhausted now, and don't know what else to do, it's time consuming and mind boggling!

pre 9 meseci
usrs

Revolut are complete scum - they genuinely have no idea what they are doing. Same with all the newer online banks- they do not actually know the chargeback rules.

"Regardless if a payment is for "gambling" under Mastercard rules payments are only considered gambling if the correct coding is applied" - source - Mastercard.


Nobody should be scared to mention the transactions are fake gambling payments to these banks but the fact is if it is mentioned then it's normally game over. This has to change.


These shit banks are getting out of having to do any work by seeing the word 'gambling' and automatically rejecting chargebacks. If the amounts you have spent are material enough then get a civil lawyer as they will demolish the banks claims almost instantly - the legal framework is there and it's clear - the banks just won't do anything until they are threatened with legal action.

pre 9 meseci
usrs

Hi,

Do you have a source for that quote from Mastercard you'd be willing to share with me, via email if needs be?

It would be a massive help with my current Starling/Ombudsman case that could see me get about 12k back!

bwastook
pre 9 meseci
dersus

Da li imate kontakt adresu za E0000348?

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pre 9 meseci
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I raised it as a complaint. A.I wrote me a lovely email to send. Strange how I've not heard from them yet tho.

It was disputing the transactions on affect tho.

pre 9 meseci
usrs

AI emails most likely will be detected as AI and will be sent straight to the spam folder or they won't delivered at all. Don't be so lazy

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