Igračici iz Finske oduzet je dobitak. Žalba je zatvorena kao 'nerešena' jer nije bilo odgovora iz kazina. Odbili smo žalbu jer je igrač prestao da odgovara kada je od njih zatraženo da nam dostave zvaničnu odluku EADR-a.
The player from Finland had her winnings confiscated. The complaint was closed as 'unresolved' because there was no response from the casino. We rejected the complaint because the player stopped responding when they had been asked to provide us with the official decision of the EADR.
Igračici iz Finske oduzet je dobitak. Žalba je zatvorena kao 'nerešena' jer nije bilo odgovora iz kazina. Odbili smo žalbu jer je igrač prestao da odgovara kada je od njih zatraženo da nam dostave zvaničnu odluku EADR-a.
Zdravo,
Deponovao sam 400 EUR kod Brite-a da igram na Freshspins-u. Pre nego što sam to uradio, pažljivo sam proverio njihove uslove bonusa, a posebno koji je maksimalni ulog i koje igre su isključene iz igranja sa bonus sredstvima.
Klađenje je bilo veoma veliko, 24000 EUR.
Uspeo sam da rešim klađenje i ostao sam sa stanjem od 4100 EUR. Međutim, danas sam primetio da su umesto obrade mog podizanja od 4100 EUR vratili samo 400 EUR umesto 4100 EUR. Dakle, manje od 10% novca koji sam osvojio.
Kada sam pitao o ovome u ćaskanju, rekli su da imaju pravo da zatvore moj nalog u skladu sa svojim Uslovima i uslovima. Pročitao sam uslove i uslove koje su mi nalepili i slažem se da imaju pravo da zatvore moj nalog. Međutim, oni nemaju pravo da mi uzmu novac.
Ništa ne vredi ni to što mi nisu zatvorili račun, iako su tako rekli. Uzeli su samo moj novac i još uvek mogu da se prijavim. Čak i dugme za uplatu i dalje radi i nudi mi neke besplatne vrtnje na mom sledećem depozitu.
Molim vas, Freshspins mi isplati moj dobitak, možete zatvoriti račun ako želite.
Nisu me obavestili ni o čemu od ovoga pre nego što sam otišao na ćaskanje, pa sam ih zamolio da mi pošalju mejl. Ovo je email koji sam dobio:
Zdravo Hana,
U vezi sa zahtevom u našem razgovoru za ćaskanje, poslaću vam ovu e-poštu.
Pišemo da vas obavestimo da smo doneli odluku da zatvorimo vaš nalog.
U nastavku pogledajte relevantni paragraf iz uslova i odredbi u vezi sa zatvaranjem vašeg naloga:
4.2 Pristup veb lokaciji je privremeno dozvoljen i zadržavamo pravo da povučemo ili izmenimo Usluge koje pružamo bez obaveštenja. Sajt se redovno ažurira i može se promeniti u bilo kom trenutku. Potvrđujete i slažete se da se konkretan oblik i/ili priroda Veb lokacije ili Usluga mogu s vremena na vreme promeniti bez prethodnog obaveštenja i da možemo prestati da vam pružamo Usluge (ili bilo koje specifične karakteristike u okviru Usluga) po sopstvenom nahođenju, bez prethodno obaveštenje. Ako se ukaže potreba, možemo suspendovati pristup veb lokaciji ili je zatvoriti na neodređeno vreme. Nećemo biti odgovorni ako iz bilo kog razloga Veb-sajt nije dostupan u bilo kom trenutku ili u bilo kom periodu, ali to nas samo po sebi ne sprečava da vam vratimo novac koji vam pripada. Nećemo biti odgovorni za bilo kakav gubitak koji nastane usled otkazivanja bilo koje Usluge.
4.3 Možemo da ukinemo vaš nalog, izbrišemo bilo koji Sadržaj i/ili vam zabranimo korišćenje ili pristup Veb-sajtu ili Usluzi (ili bilo kom delu, aspektu ili osobini Usluge) i vratimo sav novac koji vam pripada u bilo koje vreme u našoj po sopstvenom nahođenju ako:
· prekršite bilo koji od ovih Uslova ili imamo razumnu sumnju da bi moglo doći do kršenja;
· odbijete ili ne postupite u skladu sa bilo kojim razumnim zahtevom od nas da pružimo dodatne informacije u vezi sa vama, uključujući, ali ne ograničavajući se na informacije u vezi sa vašim identitetom ili izvorom bogatstva;
· smatramo ili opravdano sumnjamo da ste koristili, ili nameravate da koristite, veb lokaciju ili usluge na lažan, nepošten ili loš način ili u nezakonite i/ili nezakonite ili neprikladne svrhe;
· od nas se zahteva da to uradimo kako bismo ispunili naše zakonske i/ili regulatorne obaveze; ili
· smatramo da će nastavak korišćenja naše veb stranice ili usluga od strane vas, ili je razumno verovatno da će nam izazvati materijalni finansijski rizik, štetu ili gubitak.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Jenni
FreshSpins korisnička podrška
Hello,
I deposited 400 EUR with Brite to play at Freshspins. Before doing so I carefully checked their bonus terms and especially what is the maximum bet and what games are excluded from playing with bonus funds.
The wagering was a very large one, 24000 EUR.
I managed to clear the wagering and was left with a balance of 4100 EUR. However today I noticed that instead of processing my withdrawal of 4100 EUR they only paid back 400 EUR instead of 4100 EUR. So less than 10% of the money I won.
When I asked about this in chat they said they have a right to close my account as per their T&C. I read the T&C they pasted to me and agree they have a right to close my account. However they do not have a right to take my money.
Also worth nothing that they did not close my account, even though that is what they said. They only took my money and I am still able to log in. Even the deposit button still works and it is offering me some freespins on my next deposit.
Please Freshspins pay me my winnings, you can close the account if you want.
They did not inform me of any of this before I went to chat so I asked them to email me. This is the email I received:
Hi Hanna,
Regarding the request on our chat conversation, I will send you this email.
We are writing to inform you that we have taken the decision to close your account.
Please find below the relevant paragraph from the terms and conditions in relation to the closure of your account:
4.2 Access to the Website is permitted on a temporary basis, and we reserve the right to withdraw or amend the Services we provide without notice. The Website is updated regularly, and may change at any time. You acknowledge and agree that the specific form and/or nature of the Website or Services may change from time to time without prior notice and we may cease providing the Services (or any specific features within the Services) to you at our sole discretion, without prior notice to you. If the need arises, we may suspend access to the Website, or close it indefinitely. We will not be liable if for any reason the Website is unavailable at any time or for any period but this shall not, of itself, preclude us from returning to you any money that is properly due to you. We will not be liable for any loss whatsoever arising from the cancellation of any Service.
4.3 We may terminate your Account, delete any Content and/or prohibit you from using or accessing the Website or Service (or any portion, aspect or feature of the Service) and return any money that is properly due to you at any time in our sole discretion if:
· you are in breach of any of these Terms or we have a reasonable suspicion that a breach may occur;
· you refuse or fail to comply with any reasonable request by us to provide further information in relation to you, including, but not limited to information regarding your identity or source of wealth;
· we consider or reasonably suspect that you have used, or intend to use, the Website or Services in a fraudulent, unfair or bad faith manner or for illegal and/or unlawful or improper purposes;
· we are required to do so in order to comply with our legal and/or regulatory obligations; or
· we consider that the continued use of our Website or Services by you will, or is reasonably likely to, cause us material financial risk, harm or loss.
Kind regards,
Jenny
FreshSpins Customer Support
Dragi fitbit,
Hvala vam puno što ste podneli žalbu. Žao mi je što čujem za vaše negativno iskustvo sa FreshSpins kazinom.
Dozvolite mi da vam postavim nekoliko pitanja kako bih bolje razumeo situaciju.
Nadam se da ćemo moći da vam pomognemo da rešite ovaj problem što je pre moguće. Hvala vam unapred na odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Dear fitbit,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with FreshSpins Casino.
Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can better understand the situation.
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Tomas
zdravo Tomas,
Hvala Vam na brzom odgovoru. Da odgovorim na vaša pitanja:
Možete li molim vas da kažete koji ste bonus iskoristili?
Iskoristio sam 100% bonus na prvi depozit od 400 EUR za slotove. Maksimalna dozvoljena veličina opklade je bila 5 EUR i nisam preklapao. Kladio sam se samo u dva slota (Beast Mode i Toki Time) i sada sam ponovo proverio i oba su još uvek dozvoljena dok igram sa bonusom prema njihovim uslovima i odredbama.
Koliko dugo ste bili igrač u kazinu?
Deponovao sam 12. aprila i od tada. Danas sam primetio da su mi platili samo 400 evra umesto celog iznosa.
Da li ste prošli verifikaciju naloga?
Nisu tražili nikakvu dokumentaciju. Međutim, depozit je napravljen kod Brite provajdera plaćanja i mislim da je meki KIC uključen u depozit.
Nadam se da su ti odgovori bili od pomoći,
fitbit
Hello Tomas,
Thank you for your quick reply. To answer your questions:
Could you please advise which specific bonus did you redeem?
I redeemed a 100% 400 EUR first deposit bonus for slots. The maximum allowed bet size was 5 EUR and I did not overbet. I only wagered in two slots (Beast Mode and Toki Time) and now checked again and both are still allowed while playing with bonus as per their bonus terms and conditions.
How long were you a player in the casino?
I deposited on April 12th so since then. Today was when I noticed that they only paid me 400 EUR instead of full balance.
Did you pass the account verification?
They did not ask for any documentation. However the deposit was made with Brite payment provider and I think there is a soft KYC included in the deposit.
I hope those answers were helpfull,
fitbit
Hvala vam puno, fitbit, što ste dali potrebne informacije. Sada ću preneti vašu žalbu kolegi Tomašu ( KSKSKSKSKS0@email.kkkkk ) koji će vam biti na usluzi. Želim vam puno sreće i nadam se da će problem biti rešen na vaše zadovoljstvo u bliskoj budućnosti.
Thank you very much, fitbit, for providing the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Tomas (tomas.k@casino.guru) who will be at your service. I wish you the best of luck and hope the problem will be resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Zdravo fitbit,
Pregledao sam vaš slučaj i u potpunosti razumem vašu zabrinutost. Potrudiću se da vam pomognem u rešavanju problema tako što ću kontaktirati kazino.
Želeo bih da zamolim FreshSpins Casino da se pridruži ovom razgovoru i podeli više informacija u vezi sa slučajem.
Možete li, molim vas, da navedete razloge zašto je igrač oduzet?
Hvala vam.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Hi fitbit,
I've reviewed your case and fully understand your concerns. I'll try my best to help you with the issue by contacting the casino.
I'd like to ask FreshSpins Casino to join this conversation and share more information regarding the case.
Can you please provide any reasons why the player's winnings have been confiscated?
Thank you.
Best regards,
Tomas
We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.
Dragi fitbit,
Više puta sam pokušavao da kontaktiram kazino, ali nisam imao uspeha. Bojim se da se ne može mnogo postići bez saradnje sa njegove strane. Označiću žalbu kao „nerešenu" u našem sistemu. Razumem da ovo nije zadovoljavajuće rešenje za vaš problem. Međutim, smanjenje rejtinga uzrokovano nerešenim žalbama može pomoći da se promeni pristup kazina. Ako kazino odluči da reaguje, ponovo ćemo otvoriti žalbu i bićete obavešteni putem e-pošte.
U međuvremenu, preporučujem vam da kontaktirate EADR – servis za alternativno rešavanje sporova (https://eadr.org/eadr-form/) i da im podnesete žalbu. Sarađuje sa Upravi za igre na sreću i ima bolje opcije i alate za pomoć igračima. Sledeći korak bi bio kontaktiranje same Malteške uprave za igre na sreću (https://vvv.mga.org.mt/support/online-gaming-support/).
Obavestite me kako je ADR reagovao ( tomas.k@casino.guru ).
Žao mi je što ovom prilikom nisam mogao biti od veće pomoći.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Dear fitbit,
I have tried to contact the casino repeatedly but had no success. I’m afraid there is not much that can be achieved without cooperation from its side. I will mark the complaint as "unresolved" in our system. I understand this isn't a satisfactory solution to your issue. However, the decrease in the rating caused by unresolved complaints might help to change the casino's approach. If the casino decides to react, we will reopen the complaint, and you will be notified by email.
In the meantime, I recommend you contact the EADR – an alternative dispute resolution service (https://eadr.org/eadr-form/) and submit a complaint to them. It collaborates with the Gaming Authority and has better options and tools to help players. The next step would be contacting the Malta Gaming Authority itself (https://www.mga.org.mt/support/online-gaming-support/).
Please let me know how the ADR responded (tomas.k@casino.guru).
I am sorry I could not be of more help on this occasion.
Best regards,
Tomas
Ponovo smo otvorili ovu žalbu na zahtev FreshSpins kazina. Želeli bismo da dozvolimo ovom slučaju još jednu šansu da se reši i pomognemo obema uključenim stranama da donesu zadovoljavajući zaključak.
We’ve reopened this complaint at the request of FreshSpins Casino. We would like to allow this case one more chance to be resolved and help both parties involved to reach a satisfactory conclusion.
Zdravo,
Izvinjavam se zbog kasnog odgovora – napravili smo izmene u našim procedurama kako bismo mogli da odgovorimo na ove vrste upita na Casino Guru-u.
Kada je istraživao vaš nalog, istražni tim je otkrio da delite IP adresu sa drugim nalozima, sa istim zatraženim bonusima između njih, čime kršite naše Odredbe i uslove:
7.8 Korisnici mogu otvoriti samo jedan nalog na veb lokaciji i dozvoljen je samo jedan nalog po domaćinstvu i po IP adresi. Svi duplikati i/ili povezani nalozi koji budu identifikovani biće odbijeni, suspendovani ili zatvoreni. Ako Operater identifikuje duplikate ili povezane naloge koji su po sopstvenom nahođenju kreirani sa namerom da dobiju dodatne bonuse, zaobiđu bilo koja ograničenja naloga (uključujući ograničenja za opklade, depozite i druge opklade), ili da steknu bilo koju drugu nepravednu prednost, onda Operater zadržava pravo da poništi sve opklade postavljene na sve duplikate i/ili povezane naloge (uključujući primarni nalog korisnika). U meri u kojoj takvo poništavanje Opklada rezultira negativnim stanjem na bilo kom nalogu, Operater zadržava pravo da prebije takav negativni saldo sa bilo kojim pozitivnim stanjem preostalim na bilo kom duplikatu i/ili povezanom nalogu.
8.9 Ako, prema našem razumnom nahođenju, utvrdimo da se Korisnik uključio u lažne, nezakonite, nepoštene ili neprikladne aktivnosti (uključujući, bez ograničenja, pružanje lažnih ili namjerno obmanjujućih informacija ili zloupotrebu bonusa), zadržavamo pravo da odmah ukinemo ili uskratite korisniku pristup njegovom nalogu. U tom slučaju, sva stanja na nalogu (uključujući i depozite i sve dobitke i bonuse) i svi isplaćeni dobici biće nam oduzeti i zadržavamo pravo da otkrijemo informacije (uključujući identitet Korisnika) relevantnim stranama, uključujući, ali ne ograničavajući se na ; Autoritet, banke, kompanije za kreditne kartice i/ili bilo koje lice ili entitet koji ima zakonsko pravo na takve informacije, i/ili preduzimanje pravnih radnji protiv takvog Korisnika.
Takođe je vredno napomenuti da je ovaj slučaj već prošao kroz Evropsko alternativno rešenje sporova, koji je presudio na sledeći način:
ODLUKA:
Imajući u vidu gorenavedena razmatranja, imajte na umu da je EADR Ltd, u svojstvu nezavisnog sudije, propisno angažovanog za potrebe ovog spora, konačno utvrdio sledeće:
DA je potvrđeno i zaista očigledno da je igrač prekršio klauzule 5.3, 7.8 i 8.9 Uputstava i uslova operatera, koje je igrač morao da potvrdi i da im pristupi nakon registracije naloga igrača;
DA je stoga Operater imao razumne razloge i zaista bio opravdan da iskoristi svoje pravo iz klauzula 5.3, 7.8 i 8.9 kao rezultat pomenutog kršenja od strane igrača;
Operater se oslonio na klauzule 5.3, 7.8 i 8.9 da konfiskuje igračeve dobitke, zbog povrede igrača
DA imajući u vidu gore navedeno i da nema daljih nedoumica/problema za rešavanje, EADR doo proglašava spor zaključenim.
Kupac je takođe u potpunosti preuzeo deo ove odluke EADR-a.
U svetlu ovih informacija ljubazno molimo da Casino Guru zatvori ovaj slučaj kao rešen. Hvala vam!
Hi,
Pleas excuse the late reply - we have made changes to our procedures in order to be able to respond to these types of queries on Casino Guru.
When investigating your account the investigating team found that you shared an IP address with other accounts, with the same claimed bonuses between them, hence breaching our Terms & Conditions:
7.8 Users may open only one Account on the Website and only one Account is allowed per household and per IP address. Any duplicate and/or linked Accounts that are identified will be refused, suspended or closed. If the Operator identifies duplicate or linked Accounts that in the Operator's sole discretion have been created with the intention of gaining additional bonuses, circumventing any Account limits (including Bet, deposit and other wagering limits), or to gain any other unfair advantage, then the Operator reserves the right to void all Bets placed in all duplicate and/or linked Accounts (including a User’s primary Account). To the extent such voiding of Bets results in a negative balance in any Account, the Operator reserves the right to set-off such negative balance against any positive balance remaining in any duplicate and/or linked Account.
8.9 If, in our reasonable discretion, we determine that a User has engaged in fraudulent, unlawful, dishonest or improper activity (including, without limitation, the provision of false or deliberately misleading information or bonus abuse), we reserve the right to immediately terminate or deny a User access to their Account. In such event, all Account balances (including both deposits and any winnings and bonuses) and any paid winnings shall be forfeited to us and we reserve the right to disclose information (including the identity of the User) to applicable parties including but not limited to; the Authority, banks, credit card companies and/or any person or entity that has the legal right to such information, and/or taking legal action against such User.
It is also worth to note that this case has already been through the European Alternative Dispute Resolution, who ruled as follow:
DECISION:
In view of the foregoing considerations, please be advised that EADR Ltd in its capacity as an independent adjudicator duly engaged for the purposes of this dispute has therefore conclusively established the following:
THAT it was confirmed and indeed evident that the Player had breached Clauses 5.3, 7.8 and 8.9 of the Operator’s T&Cs, which the Player was required to acknowledge and accede to upon registering the Player Account;
THAT therefore the Operator had reasonable grounds and indeed was justified in exercising its right under Clauses 5.3, 7.8 and 8.9 as a result of the said Breach by the Player;
THAT Clauses 5.3, 7.8 and 8.9 was relied on by the Operator to confiscate the Player’s generated winnings, because of the Player’s Breach
THAT in view of the foregoing and there being no further concerns/issues to resolve, EADR Ltd declares the dispute closed.
The customer has also taken part of this decision by the EADR, in its full.
In light of this information we kindly ask that Casino Guru closes this case as resolved. Thank you!
Zdravo,
Nisam dobio nikakvu izjavu od EADR-a.
Ako je to odluka EADR-a, onda nazivam sranjem. Nema šanse da je neko koristio istu IP adresu kao ja.
Hello,
I have not received any statement from EADR.
If that is the ruling from EADR then I call bullshit. There is no way anyone used the same IP as me.
Dragi FreshSpins kazino ,
Možete li, molim vas, proslediti zvaničnu ADR odluku na moju adresu e-pošte? ( tomas.k@casino.guru )
Mnogo vam hvala.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Dear FreshSpins Casino,
Could you please forward the official ADR decision to my email address? (tomas.k@casino.guru)
Thank you very much.
Kind regards,
Tomas
We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.
Ovaj je post Casino Guru učinio privatnim. Sadrži osetljive informacije koje treba da vide samo strane uključene u prigovor.
Zdravo fitbit ,
Da li ste već kontaktirali EADR?
Produžujem tajmer za 7 dana. Imajte na umu da ću, u slučaju da ne odgovorite u datom vremenskom roku, morati da odbijem vašu žalbu.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Hi fitbit,
Have you already contacted the EADR?
I’m extending the timer by 7 days. Kindly note that in case you don’t reply in the given time frame, I will have to reject your complaint.
Kind regards,
Tomas
Dragi moji,
Nažalost, igrač nije odgovorio na naše poruke i pitanja. Shodno tome, nismo u mogućnosti da dalje istražujemo i nemamo drugog izbora nego da odbijemo ovu žalbu.
Igrač može ponovo da otvori ovu žalbu u bilo kom trenutku.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Tomas
Dear all,
Unfortunately, the player has not responded to our messages and questions. Consequently, we are unable to investigate further and have no choice but to reject this complaint.
The player can reopen this complaint at any time.
Kind regards,
Tomas
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