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Računam na kojoj je banci na oba fronta podizanja i oporavka
I reckon its down to what bank it is on both fronts raising and recovery
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Računam na kojoj je banci na oba fronta podizanja i oporavka
I reckon its down to what bank it is on both fronts raising and recovery
Koji je to kod za spor pod Mastercard-om - nemaju netačan MCC
What dispute code is that under Mastercard though - they don’t have incorrect MCC
Zdravo, ne znam da ih je banka sve podigla za mene
Hi there I do not know the bank has raised them all for me
Hvala. Ako me menadžer pozove, što mi je rečeno da bi trebalo da budu, saznaću zašto je par rekao da sam ja smatran odgovornim i da čak nisam dobio priliku da se borim protiv njih, a drugi istom trgovcu su mi poslali informacije o tome koje dokaze ima trgovac. Ne, nisam ništa osporio u vezi sa plaćanjem, ali to su bili bankovni transferi tako da neću moći. Kontaktirali su pai op, ali oni samo navode da su trgovci rekli da su sredstva iskorišćena i da u suštini nemaju nikakve veze sa njima. Nemojte misliti da ću ikada više videti taj novac. Hvala na pomoći oko svega. Zaista cenim
Thank you. If a manager does call me which I am told they are supposed to be, I will find out why a couple had said I was held liable & didn't even get a chance to fight them & others to the same merchant has sent me information as to what evidence the merchant has. No I haven't disputed anything on pay op but they were bank transfers so I won't be able to. Have contacted pay op but they just state the merchants have said the funds have been used & basically nothing to do with them. Don't think il ever see that money again. Thanks for your help with it all. Really appreciate
Obavestite svoju banku o bankovnom transferu, nova pravila su sada na snazi nakon 7. oktobra da bi trebalo da vam vrate novac ako ste prevareni https ://vvv.moneihelper.org.uk/en/blog/scams-and-fraud/hov- za-dobiti-povraćaj-za-bankovni-transfer-prevare
Tell your bank about the bank transfer, new rules are now in place after October 7th that they should refund you if you were scammed https://www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/blog/scams-and-fraud/how-to-get-a-refund-for-bank-transfer-scams
Ponovo pročitajte to, ali recite da vam je obećana/prevarena roba, a da je niste dobili.
Again take a read of that but say you were promised/tricked into goods and you have not received them.
Ovo su gluposti koje sam dobio od Revoluta:
sažetak događaja i objašnjenje
Prvo i najvažnije, želeo bih da vam se zahvalim što ste odvojili vreme da nam skrenete pažnju na vaše nedoumice, kako bih mogao da ih odgovorim i razjasnim umesto vas. U svojoj žalbi ste izrazili nezadovoljstvo u vezi sa plaćanjem karticom od 990,00 GBP koji se naplaćuje vašem Revolut nalog, kao što ste naveli, osoba mlađa od 18 godina koristila je vašu karticu u kazinu. Želite da dodatno istražimo i vratimo vam izgubljeni iznos.
Kontaktirali ste našu korisničku podršku putem ćaskanja u aplikaciji 4. decembra 2024., izražavajući zabrinutost u vezi sa gore pomenutim problemom. Agent koji vam pomaže objasnio je da uplate prodavcima kockanja ne ispunjavaju uslove za sporove oko povraćaja sredstava. Međutim, niste bili zadovoljni podrškom koju ste dobili i odlučili ste da podnesete zvaničnu žalbu.
Pošto sam razmotrio vaš slučaj, želeo bih da vam pružim sveobuhvatno objašnjenje o pitanju koje ste pokrenuli u svojoj zvaničnoj žalbi. U nastavku pronađite detalje o predmetnoj transakciji za koju ste nam poslali povraćaj sredstava:
Predmetna transakcija je obavljena sa Master karticom koja se završava na *1570:
Datum i vreme Opis Iznos Stanje 28/10/2024 21:49:29 Spaimpf*skinsonli 990,00 GBP Završeno
Jedna stvar koju treba imati na umu u vezi sa procesom povraćaja sredstava uopšte, jeste da je uokviren veoma detaljnim i doslednim skupom pravila koja obuhvataju svaki mogući scenario koji se odnosi na transakcije karticama. Ova pravila diktiraju kartične šeme, a i trgovci i finansijske institucije poput Revoluta su obavezne da ih se pridržavaju.
Revolut-ov primarni cilj kada obrađuje takve zahteve je da zaštiti naše klijente. Šta god da se dogodilo sa vašim karticama, u našem je najboljem interesu da to rešimo na način koji će vam koristiti, ali u isto vreme moramo da obezbedimo da se tokom ovog procesa poštuju gorepomenute smernice šeme kartice.
Više informacija o procesu povraćaja sredstava možete pronaći u članku našeg centra za pomoć:[ Proces spora i rokovi | Revolut Ujedinjeno Kraljevstvo |https://help.revolut.com/help/card-paiments-vithdravals/refunds/hov-does-the-chargeback-process-vork/].
Proces uključuje dve vrste zahteva, a to su:
Povrat novca za prevaru: primenjivo u slučajevima kada transakcija nije obavljena uz vaše ovlašćenje, a detalji nisu podeljeni sa dotičnim trgovcem. Stoga, naš tim za povraćaj sredstava treba da proveri da li su ispunjeni uslovi za zahteve za povraćaj sredstava za prevaru.
Povraćaj naknade za spor: primenjivo za situacije u kojima, na primer, roba ili usluge nisu pružene, duple ili višestruke naknade za istu kupovinu, pretplata je naplaćena nakon što je kupac otkaže. U takvim slučajevima, naš tim za povraćaj sredstava prikuplja informacije koje dokazuju vaš slučaj i predstavlja ih trgovcu i kartičnoj šemi, gde se, nakon razvoja slučaja, donosi odluka.
Konkretno, vaš slučaj je bio povraćaj sredstava u vezi sa sporom i slučaj je obrađen u skladu sa tim.
Dana 4. novembra 2024. naš tim za povraćaj sredstava je pregledao vaš zahtev za povraćaj sredstava u vezi sa obavljenom transakcijom, a predmet je istog dana odbijen i u vezi s tim ste primili negativan ishod slučaja za povraćaj sredstava putem e-pošte.
Kada smo pregledali pomenutu transakciju, mogli smo da potvrdimo da je ona obavljena kod pravog trgovca koji nudi specifične usluge. Dakle, usluga koju je trgovac imao da ponudi i pruži preko Revoluta bila je sama po sebi efikasna. Ovo ukazuje na to da se, uprkos mogućnosti onoga što se moglo dogoditi nakon što je potrošač primio usluge, detaljna prevara dogodila nakon transakcije, a ne tokom procesa kupovine. Uzimajući gore navedeno u obzir, Revolut je stoga primoran da odbije vaš zahtev za povraćaj sredstava jer se on ne smatra važećim prema pravilima kartične šeme.
Naš pogled
U svetlu mojih nalaza iznad, mogu da potvrdim da je zahtev za povraćaj sredstava odbijen u skladu sa gore pomenutom Master card šemom, pa sam odlučio da ne prihvatim vašu žalbu.
Kako god bilo, dozvolite mi da pojasnim da ne prihvatam vašu žalbu, ne odbacujem vaše negativno iskustvo. To jednostavno znači da, sa objektivne tačke gledišta i koliko ja znam, Revolut ovom prilikom nije postupio nepravedno.
This was the nonsense I got from Revolut:
ummary of events and explanation
First and foremost, I would like to thank you for taking the time to bring your concerns to our attention, so I can address and clarify them for you.In your complaint, you expressed dissatisfaction regarding a card payment of 990.00 GBP being charged to your Revolut account, as you indicated a person under 18 used your card at the casino. You wish us to further investigate, and refund you the amount lost.
You contacted our Customer Support via the in-app chat on the 4th of December 2024, expressing your concerns regarding the aforementioned issue. The agent assisting you explained that payments to gambling merchants are not eligible for chargeback disputes. However, you were not satisfied with the support you received and decided to raise a formal complaint.
Having looked into your case, I would like to provide you with a comprehensive explanation on the issue you raised in your formal complaint. Please find below the details of the transaction in question for which you have raised a chargeback with us:
The transaction in question was performed with the Master Card, ending in *1570:
Date and Time Description Amount State 28/10/2024 21:49:29 Spaympf*skinsonly 990.00 GBP Completed
One thing to keep in mind regarding the chargeback process in general, is that it is framed by a very detailed and consistent set of rules which encompass every possible scenario relating to card transactions. These rules are dictated by the card schemes, and both merchants and financial institutions like Revolut are obliged to adhere to them.
Revolut’s primary goal when handling such requests is to protect our customers. Whatever may have happened with your card transactions, it is in our best interest to have it resolved in a way that will benefit you, but at the same time we must ensure that the aforementioned card scheme guidelines are followed during this process.
You can find more information about the chargeback process in our Help Centre article:[ Dispute process and timelines | Revolut United Kingdom |https://help.revolut.com/help/card-payments-withdrawals/refunds/how-does-the-chargeback-process-work/].
The process includes two kinds of claim, which are:
Fraud Chargeback: applicable in cases where a transaction was not performed with your authorization, and the details had not been shared with the merchant in question. Therefore, our Chargeback Team needs to verify if the conditions for Fraud Chargeback claims are met.
Dispute Chargeback: applicable for situations where, for example, goods or services were not provided, duplicate or multiple charges for the same purchase, subscription fee was charged after the customer has cancelled it. In such cases, our Chargeback Team gathers the information proving your case and presents it to the merchant and the card scheme, where, upon developments of the case, the decision is made.
Your case in specific was a dispute Chargeback, and the case was handled accordingly.
On the 4th November 2024, our chargeback team reviewed your dispute claim for the transaction performed, and the case was rejected on the same day and in relation to that, you received the chargeback negative outcome of the case via email.
When we examined the aforementioned transaction, we were able to confirm that it had been carried out with a genuine merchant who offers specific services. Therefore, the service that the merchant had to offer and provided through Revolut was in itself effective. This indicates that, despite the possibility of what may have occurred after the consumer received the services, the elaborate scam occurred after the transaction and not during the purchase process. Taking the above into consideration, Revolut is therefore compelled to reject your chargeback request because it is not considered as valid under the card scheme rules.
Our view
In light of my findings above, I can confirm that the chargeback claim was rejected in accordance with the aforementioned Master card scheme, therefore I have decided not to uphold your complaint.
Be that as it may, please allow me to clarify that, by not upholding your complaint, I am not dismissing your negative experience. It simply means that, from an objective point of view and to the best of my knowledge, Revolut has not acted unfairly on this occasion.
Onda na FOS? Čini se da je Revolut užasan u ovim povraćajima
Off to FOS then? Revolut appear to be terrible at these chargebacks
Da druže, već sam prvi poslao FOS-u, ali Revolut se stalno vraća sa istom transakcijom i potpuno drugačijim informacijama? još uvek nema odgovora na 2. pritužbu, to je šala, ionako ću sigurno dobiti nešto za pogrešne žalbe! FOS mi odgovara 😏 Mislim da ću odustati od jurnjave Revoluta
Yes mate I have already sent the 1st one to FOS but Revolut keep coming back with the same one transaction and completely different info story ? no reply still to the 2nd complaint its a joke im sure to get something for the botched complaints anyway ! the FOS suits me 😏 I think I will give up chasing Revolut
Bilo bi lakše da samo vrate naplatu i onda vide da li ima problema kojih sigurno neće biti na pogrešnom MCC-u
It would be easier if they just chargeback and then see if there are any challenges which there won’t be certainly not on incorrect MCC
Dobio sam potpuno isti odgovor ranije kada sam pokušao, izgleda da ih, nažalost, uopšte nije briga.
Prijavili ste ih na sva mesta koja idu, nadam se da ćete i vi učiniti isto.
Oseća se da su svi odgovori koje dobijete od njih kopiraj/pejst, a onda osećaju da su završili sa slučajem.
Poslao sam pismo njihovoj banci u Litvaniji na koje se pozivaju u svim ovim mejlovima koje su nam poslali, i pogodite šta?
Pismo mi je vraćeno nakon nekoliko nedelja sa oznakom „nije traženo"
Dakle, potpuno su ignorisali moj slučaj.
I got the exact same answer before when I tried, they don't seem to care at all unfortunately.
Have reported them to all the places that go, hope you do the same.
Feels like all the answers you get from them are copy/paste, and then they feel they are done with the case.
I sent a letter to their bank in Lithuania that they refer to in all these emails they sent us, and guess what?
The letter was returned to me after several weeks marked "not claimed"
So they have completely ignored my case.
Jag fick exakt likadant svar förr när jag försökte, dom verkar inte bry sig överhuvudtaget tyvärr.
Har anmält dom till alla ställen som går, hoppas att ni gör desamma.
Känns som alla svar man får från dom är copy/paste, och sen känner dom sig klara med ärendet.
Jag skickade ett brev till deras bank i Litauen som dom hänvisar till i alla dessa mail dom skickat till oss, och gissa vad?
Brevet blev returnerat till mig efter flera veckor med markeringen "not claimed"
Så dom har helt ignorerat mitt ärende.
Znam druže ali vidim koliko je drugima sada teško i tužno je ! Revolut obv radi zajedno sa ovim sajtovima dok uzimaju p**s! Sajt je imao Revolut kao opciju plaćanja!
I know mate but I see how hard it is for others now and its sad ! Revolut obv work alongside these sites as they are taking the p**s ! The site had Revolut as a payment option !
Ok, da, strašno je. Nisam ni rekao da se to dogodilo! Odgovorio sam da kopiram u FOS Poslao sam 3 e-poruke i sada sam odustao jer ne želim da preplavim FOS
Ok yes it is terrible I never even said that is what happened ! I have replied back copying in the FOS I sent 3 emails and have now backed off as not wanting to swamp the FOS
Moji su bili pre ovog datuma 😩 apsolutno uništeni
Mine were before this date 😩 absolutely gutted
I dalje vredi podići - Pre 7. oktobra postojao je dobrovoljni kod za banke i provajdere plaćanja. To je značilo da nije bilo obaveznog zahteva za banke da refundiraju žrtve APP prevare.
Šta je najgore što kažu ne? Vidio bih šta je to navodno prodaju i rekao da si hteo da kupiš rekli su bankovnim transferom i ništa nije stiglo.
Still worth raising it - Before 7 October there was a voluntary code for banks and payment providers. This meant that there was no mandatory requirement for banks to refund victims of APP fraud.
What’s the worse they say no? I would see what it is allegedly they sell and say you wanted to purchase they said bank transfer and nothing arrived.
Ovde je ovo teško. Zapravo nisam razmišljao o ovome jer ne razumem mnogo o tome, ali Paiop vam je otvoreno dozvolio da deponujete kazina. Kada sam deponovao, uvek sam dobijao imejl da navedem gde je moj novac otišao tako da ne bih mogao ni da se borim protiv njega. Ne razumem, međutim, pošto su kazina u pitanju, nisam mislio da mogu legalno da prihvate britanske igrače jer nemaju licencu za kockanje u UK, tako da ne razumem kako to mogu legalno da urade. Ovo je moj najveći i to bi promenilo život da bih mogao da dobijem svoj novac, ali očigledno je da je ovo ono protiv čega se takođe ne bih mogao boriti. Oni ne prikrivaju nikakva plaćanja, pa je čudno kako to mogu da urade i da se izvuku.
This is where this is hard. I didn't actually think about this as I don't understand a lot about it but Payop openly let you deposit to casinos. When I deposited, I always got an email to state where my money went so I wouldn't even be able to fight it. I don't understand though as the casinos in question I didn't think could legally accept uk players as they hold no uk gambling license so I don't understand how they can legally do this. This is my biggest one & would be life changing for me to be able to get my money but this is obviously the one I wouldn't be able to fight either. They don't disguise any payments so it's strange how they can do it & get away with it.
@Paul ima li iskustva sa PAIOP-om i njihovim uslovima koji kažu da se ne mogu koristiti za kockanje?
@Paul any experience with PAYOP and their terms saying cannot be used for gambling?
Rečeno mi je da je gubljenje vremena da ih kontaktiram, a banka je rekla da ne može da vrši povraćaj sredstava za transfer novca kada su uradili poslednji deo mojih povraćaja sredstava
I have £8000 worth ive been told its a waste of time contacting them and the bank said they cannot do chargebacks on money transfers when they did the last lot of my chargebacks
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Inicijativu koju smo pokrenuli s ciljem stvaranja globalnog sistema samoisključenja, koji će omogućiti ranjivim igračima da blokiraju pristup svim mogućnostima online kockanja.
Casino.guru je nezavistan izvor informacija o online kazinima i online kazino igrama, i nije kontrolisan od strane bilo kojeg operatora igara ili bilo koje druge institucije. Sve naše recenzije i vodiči su kreirani iskreno, u skladu sa najboljim znanjem i rasuđivanjem naših članova iz ekspertskog tima; ipak ovaj sadržaj je napravljen u informativne svrhe i ne bi smeo i trebao da se tumači kao pravni savet. Bitno je da uvek ispunite sve regulatorne zahteve pre nego počnete igrati u određenom kazinu.
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Proverite svoj "Spam" ili "Promotions" folder ili kliknite na dugme ispod.
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