Igrač iz Njemačke optužen je za kršenje bonus uslova stavljanjem pojedinačnih oklada većih od dozvoljenih. Nakon detaljnijeg ispitivanja, na kraju smo odbacili ovu žalbu kao neopravdanu.
The player from Germany has been accused of breaching bonus terms by placing single bets greater than the allowed ones. After a closer examination, we ended up rejecting this complaint as unjustified.
Igrač iz Njemačke optužen je za kršenje bonus uslova stavljanjem pojedinačnih oklada većih od dozvoljenih. Nakon detaljnijeg ispitivanja, na kraju smo odbacili ovu žalbu kao neopravdanu.
Položite 20 € i dobili ste bonus.
Tada sam pobijedio sa bonus novcem. Igrao sam sebe utakmicu za utakmicom.
Tada je iznosila 10.000 eura.
Zatražio sam povlačenje i sada se kaže da sam prekršio uslove bonusa jer sam previsok ulog.
Ono što ne razumijem je da nisam mogao igrati jackpot igre zbog bonus novca, ali uspio sam se kladiti.
Sad je sav novac nestao.
Deposit € 20 and received a bonus.
Then I won with the bonus money. I played myself up game after game.
It was then at € 10,000.
I requested a withdrawal and now it is said that I violated the bonus conditions because I made the stakes too high.
What I don't understand is that I couldn't play jackpot games because of the bonus money, but I was able to place the bets.
Now all the money is gone.
Habe 20€ eingezahlt und einen Bonus erhalten.
Habe dann mit dem Bonusgeld gewonnen. Habe mich Spiel für Spiel hoch gespielt.
War dann bei 10000€.
Habe eine Auszahlung beantragt und jetzt heißt es ich hätte ein Verstoß gegen die Bonus Bedingungen gemacht, da ich die Einsätze zu hoch gemacht habe.
Was ich nicht verstehe, Jackpotspiele konnte ich wegen den Bonusgeld nicht spielen, aber die Einsätze konnte ich setzen.
Jetzt ist das ganze Geld weg.
Draga Ivonne,
Hvala vam što ste podnijeli žalbu. Žao mi je što čujem za problem i razumijem vašu frustraciju.
Pažljivo sam provjerio Bonus uslove na web lokaciji i evo što sam pronašao https://www.spinmillion13.com/en/terms-and-conditions :
„Igrači mogu da daju pojedinačne opklade niže od 20% od ukupne vrednosti aktivnog bonusa i ne bi trebalo da prelaze 8 EUR, 8 USD, 8AUD, 8CAD, 80 SEK, 80 NOK, 580 RUB (prema potrebi). Stoga se klađenje od 8 EUR dok je aktivan bonus od 100 EUR smatra prihvatljivom praksom. "
Željeli bismo vidjeti kazina koja implementiraju sisteme koji bi spriječili igrače da ulažu više od dozvoljenih oklada, ali, nažalost, to još nije standardna praksa. Nisu vas zaustavili ili blokirali kada ste odlučili povećati okladu i kao rezultat prekršili ste pravilo maksimalne oklade.
Ako znate da ulažete više od dozvoljenih, nažalost, trenutno ne možemo puno učiniti da podržimo vaš slučaj. Preporučujem vam da pažljivo pročitate sve Uvjete prije početka igre kako biste izbjegli nesporazume u budućnosti. Kazina pokušavaju dizajnirati svoje bonuse kako bi bili što atraktivniji, ali pravila se uvijek moraju poštivati.
Molimo vas, nemojte se ustručavati proslijediti svoju historiju igara zajedno sa relevantnom komunikacijom na petronela.k@casino.guru ako smatrate da ste pogrešno optuženi, u protivnom ću biti prisiljen odbiti vašu žalbu. Unaprijed se zahvaljujem na odgovoru i razumijevanju.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Petronela
Dear Ivonne,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about the issue and understand your frustration.
I carefully checked the Bonus Terms on the website, and this is what I found https://www.spinmillion13.com/en/terms-and-conditions:
„Players are allowed to place single bets lower than 20% of the total value of the Active Bonus credited and should not exceed 8 EUR, 8 USD, 8AUD, 8CAD, 80 SEK, 80 NOK, 580 RUB (as applicable). Therefore, placing a bet of 8 EUR while there’s an Active Bonus of 100 EUR in effect is considered acceptable practice."
We would like to see casinos implementing systems that would prevent players from placing higher than allowed bets, but, unfortunately, this is not a standard practice yet. You were not stopped or blocked when you decided to increase your bet, and, as a result, you breached the maximum bet rule.
If you are aware of placing higher bets than the allowed ones, sadly, there is not much we can do to support your case at this time. I would strongly recommend reading all the T&Cs carefully before you start playing to avoid any misunderstandings in the future. Casinos try to design their bonuses to be as attractive as possible, but the rules must always be followed.
Please do not hesitate to forward your game history along with any relevant communication to petronela.k@casino.guru if you feel that you’ve been accused mistakenly, otherwise, I will be forced to reject your complaint. Thank you in advance for your reply and understanding.
Best regards,
Petronela
Dodatni komentari igrača:
"Zdravo, hvala na odgovoru.
Nisam znao da vam nije dozvoljeno da stavljate visoke uloge jer nije bilo nagovještaja. Kao i u drugim kazinima, postoji poruka da se bonusom ne možete kladiti više od 5 €.
Nažalost, to se nije dogodilo.
Jackpot igre su takođe bile blokirane. Zato nisam o tome ništa razmišljao.
Nažalost, ne vidim napredak igre.
Takođe, nisam cijelo vrijeme igrao sa 10 ili 20 eura.
A profit. I sve je otišlo ??? !!!
Hvala vam na odgovoru.
Upravo sam pogledao Spinmillion i sve povijesti igara od tog dana su nestale.
Srdačan pozdrav
R *** Ivonne "
Additional comments from the player:
"Hello, thanks for the answer.
I didn't know that you weren't allowed to place high stakes because there was no hint. As in other casinos, there is a message that you cannot bet more than € 5 with bonus money.
Unfortunately, this did not happen.
Jackpot games were also blocked. That's why I didn't think anything about it.
Unfortunately, I cannot see the progress of the game.
Also, I didn't play with € 10 or € 20 all the time.
What about the profit. Everything gone too ??? !!!
Thank you for your reponse.
I just looked at Spinmillion and all game histories from that day are gone.
With best regards
R *** Ivonne "
Additional comments from the player:
"Hallo, danke für die Antwort.
Ich habe es nicht gewusst, dass man keine hohen Einsätze machen darf, weil es ja keinen Hinweis gab. Wie in anderen Casinos, da gibt es die Meldung, daß man mit Bonusgeld nicht höher als 5€ setzen darf.
Dies kam leider nicht.
Jackpotspiele waren ja auch gesperrt. Deswegen habe ich mir nix dabei gedacht.
Leider kann ich den Spielverlauf nicht einsehen.
Ich habe außerdem nicht die ganze Zeit mit 10 oder 20€ Einsatz gespielt.
Was ist mit dem Gewinn. Auch alles weg???!!!
Danke für Ihre Antwort.
Habe gerade bei Spinmillion geschaut und es sind alle Spielverläufe von diesen besagten Tag verschwunden.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
R*** Ivonne"
Dodatni komentari igrača:
"Zdravo.
Nažalost, ne znam tačan iznos.
Bilo je to 40% bonusa i besplatnih okretaja.
Pronašao sam moj gameplay.
Vidite da sam i ja pobedio sa ulogom od 5 €.
Nekako vidim da je profit nestao sa 10 i 20 €. Ali ne i da je sve nestalo.
Srdačan pozdrav
Ivonne R *** "
Additional comments from the player:
"Hello.
Unfortunately, I don't know the exact amount.
It was think 40% bonus and free spins.
Found my gameplay.
You can see that I also won with a stake of € 5.
Somehow I can see that the profit is gone with 10 and 20 €. But not that all is gone.
With best regards
Ivonne R *** "
Additional comments from the player:
"Hallo.
Die Summe weiß ich leider nicht genau.
Es waren glaube 40% Bonus und Freispiele.
Habe meinen Spielverlauf gefunden.
Da ist zu sehen, daß ich auch mit 5€ Einsatz gewonnen habe.
Das der Gewinn mit 10 und 20€ weg ist, sehe ich ja irgendwie ein. Aber nicht das alles weg ist.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Ivonne R***"
Ako ste položili 20 € i primili 40% bonusa (8 € je nagrađeni iznos bonusa), tada bi maksimalno dozvoljena oklada tokom završetka klađenja na bonus bila 1,52 € (niža od 20% ukupne vrijednosti aktivnog Bonus dodijeljen).
Jeste li svjesni stavljanja većih oklada od dozvoljenih? Unaprijed se zahvaljujem na odgovoru.
If you have deposited €20 and received a 40% bonus (€8 being the rewarded bonus amount) then the maximum allowed bet during the bonus wagering completion would have been €1,52 (lower than 20% of the total value of the Active Bonus credited).
Are you aware of placing greater bets than the allowed ones? Thank you in advance for your reply.
Dodatni komentari igrača:
"Ipak sam pobijedio u besplatnim okretajima.
Mislim da sam morao nešto pretvoriti u 2000 €.
Nažalost, nisam bio svjestan da ne smijem stavljati velike uloge.
Tada to ne bih uradio. Kao što sam rekao, ni jackpot igre nisu bile predviđene za igranje. "
"Pisao sam u kazino da mi molim da mi kažete tačno koliki mi je bio bonus i koliki bi mogao biti moj ulog.
Još uvijek čekam odgovor. "
"Prvo hoću i hvala vam."
Additional comments from the player:
"I still won in the free spins.
I think I had to convert something into the 2000 €.
Unfortunately, I was not aware that I am not allowed to place high stakes.
Then I wouldn't have done this. As I said, jackpot games weren't meant to be played either. "
"I wrote to the casino to please tell me exactly how high my bonus was and how high my stakes could be.
Still waiting for an answer. "
"I will and thank you first."
Additional comments from the player:
"Ich hatte ja noch in den Freispielen gewonnen.
Ich glaube ich musste was in die 2000€ umsetzen.
Mir war das leider nicht bewusst, daß ich keine hohen Einsätze machen darf.
Dann hätte ich dies nicht gemacht. Wiegesagt Jackpotspiele gingen ja auch nicht zum Spielen."
"Habe dem Casino geschrieben, sie möchten mir bitte mitteilen, wie hoch genau mein Bonus war und wie hoch meine Einsätze sein durften.
Warte noch auf Antwort."
"Mache ich und Danke erstmal."
Hvala vam puno, Ivonne, na proslijeđenoj komunikaciji.
Možete li nas posavjetovati ako ste saznali iznos nagrađenog bonusa? Prema gore spomenutom e-mailu, to je bilo 163 eura. Je li tako?
Thank you very much, Ivonne, for the forwarded communication.
Could you please advise if you have found out the amount of the rewarded bonus? According to the abovementioned email, it was €163. Is that correct?
Dodatni komentari igrača:
"Zdravo.
To je Spinmillion-ov odgovor.
Ako dobro razumijem, trebam li staviti 8 €?
Da li sam to dobro razumeo?
Više ne razumijem svijet 😅.
LG R *** Ivonne "
Additional comments from the player:
"Hello.
That's Spinmillion's answer.
If I understand correctly, should I place € 8?
Did I understand that correctly?
I don't understand the world anymore 😅.
LG R *** Ivonne "
Additional comments from the player:
"Hallo.
Das ist die Antwort von Spinmillion.
Uns wenn ich das richtig verstehe, dürfte ich 8€ platzieren?
Hab ich das richtig verstanden?
Verstehe die Welt nicht mehr 😅.
LG R*** Ivonne"
Dodatni komentari igrača:
"Ali što je s dobicima gdje se kladim ispod 8 eura. I njih ne može nestati.
Pobjede s visokim ulozima su ja, ali SVE !!! ??? "
Additional comments from the player:
"But what about the winnings where I bet under € 8. They can't be gone too.
The winnings with the high stakes are very much me, but EVERYTHING !!! ??? "
Additional comments from the player:
"Aber was ist mit den Gewinnen, wo ich unter 8€ gesetzt habe. Die können doch nicht auch weg sein.
Die Gewinne mit den hohen Einsätzen sehr ich ja ein, aber ALLES!!!???"
Ako znate da ulažete više od dozvoljenih, nažalost, trenutno ne možemo puno učiniti da podržimo vaš slučaj. Preporučujem vam da pažljivo pročitate sve Uvjete prije početka igre kako biste izbjegli nesporazume u budućnosti. Kazina pokušavaju dizajnirati svoje bonuse kako bi bili što atraktivniji, ali pravila se uvijek moraju poštivati.
Nažalost, Ivonne, ne možemo ništa učiniti za vas u vezi s oduzetim dobicima. Ako znate da ulažete više od dopuštenih oklada tijekom klađenja na bonus, kazino ima pravo otkazati sve dobitke povezane s promotivnom ponudom.
If you are aware of placing higher bets than the allowed ones, sadly, there is not much we can do to support your case at this time. I would strongly recommend reading all the T&Cs carefully before you start playing to avoid any misunderstandings in the future. Casinos try to design their bonuses to be as attractive as possible, but the rules must always be followed.
Unfortunately, Ivonne, there is nothing we can do for you regarding confiscated winnings. If you are aware of placing higher than allowed bets while wagering a bonus, the casino has the right to cancel all the winnings associated with the promotional offer.
Draga Ivonne,
Produljujemo tajmer za 7 dana. Molimo vas, nemojte se ustručavati kontaktirati nas ako vam je potrebna pomoć ili pomoć, u protivnom ćemo odbiti vašu žalbu.
Dear Ivonne,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, do not hesitate to contact us if you need any assistance or help, otherwise, we will reject your complaint.
Dodatni komentari igrača:
"Nisam znao da ne smijem stavljati veće uloge. To mi nije bila namjera, inače ih ne bih stavio na taj način.
Jer, kao što sam rekao, i Jackpot igre su bile blokirane. "
Additional comments from the player:
"I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to place higher stakes. That wasn't my intention, otherwise I wouldn't have placed them that way.
Because, as I said, jackpot games were also blocked. "
Additional comments from the player:
"Ich wusste ja nichts davon, daß ich keine höheren Einsätze machen durfte. Dies war ja nicht meine Absicht, sonst hätte ich sie ja nicht so gesetzt.
Weil wie gesagt, Jackpotspiele waren ja auch gesperrt."
Potpuno razumijem vaše stajalište, Ivonne. Ipak, postoji važan princip koji kaže: „nepoznavanje zakona nije opravdanje". To znači da ne možete braniti svoje postupke tvrdeći da niste znali da su zabranjeni, čak i ako iskreno niste shvatili da kršite pravila. Kazina pokušavaju dizajnirati svoje bonuse kako bi bili što atraktivniji, ali pravila se uvijek moraju poštivati.
Nakon detaljnijeg ispitivanja, na kraju smo odbacili ovu žalbu kao neopravdanu. Molimo vas, nemojte se ustručavati kontaktirati nas u budućnosti, ako naiđete na bilo kakav problem s ovim ili bilo kojim drugim kasinom. Ovdje smo da pomognemo.
I understand completely your point of view, Ivonne. Nevertheless, there’s an important principle that says, "ignorance of the law is no excuse". It means that you can’t defend your actions by arguing you didn’t know they were forbidden, even if you honestly did not realize you were breaking the rules. Casinos try to design their bonuses to be as attractive as possible, but the rules must always be followed.
After a closer examination, we ended up rejecting this complaint as unjustified. Please, do not hesitate to contact us in the future, if you run into any issues with this or any other casino. We are here to help.
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