Ja sam u istom čamcu druže imam oko 6k od januara pa nadalje tako da iste transakcije na izvodu sve na različite račune i šifre za sortiranje tako da bi svaka pomoć bila zahvalna
I’m in the same boat mate have about 6k from January onwards so same transactions on the statement all to different accounts and sort codes so any help would be appreciated
Nigde nećete stići sa Falcora Finance, jer se novac u suštini šalje putem 'bankovnog transfera'. Pravila za povraćaj sredstava su veoma zeznuta i mislim da banke nemaju ovlašćenja da čak i pokušaju da povuku novac. Jedini način da ga vratite je da vam banka vrati novac iz svog džepa, ali s obzirom na to da biste odobrili transakciju (i verovatno biste morali da im kažete da je otišla na sajt za kockanje), to je u suštini nemoguće.
Kontakt informacije na njihovoj veb stranici su takođe beskorisne, broj telefona ne zvoni i ne odgovaraju na mejlove.
Paiop je prolaz za plaćanje. Oni neće moći da vam vrate novac jer su oni samo treća strana koja upravlja transakcijom između vas i 'trgovca'. Najbolje je da podignete povraćaj sredstava kod svoje banke i ona će im se obratiti.
Canapai - Idite u banku i recite im da nikada niste dobili nikakvu robu od njih nakon kupovine sa njihovog sajta. Možda pokušajte da im pošaljete e-poštu i onda ako/kada ne odgovore možete to iskoristiti kao dokaz?
Za Kuickbit, ponovo pokušajte da dobijete povraćaj sredstava. Ako svojoj banci niste ništa rekli o kockanju, savetujem vam da ne kažete. Samo im recite da ste kupili nešto sa njihove veb stranice, a da nikada niste dobili nikakvu robu/uslugu. Međutim, oni mogu osporiti vašu povraćaj sredstava, kao što su neki ljudi ranije pomenuli. Čini se da su jedni od jedinih ljudi koji to osporavaju.
You won't get anywhere with Falcora Finance, as the money is essentially sent through 'bank transfer'. The chargeback rules on these are very tricky and I don't think the banks have authority to even attempt to recall the money. The only way you could get it back is if the bank refunded you out of their own pocket, but seeing as you would've approved the transaction (and probably would have to tell them it went to a gambling site) it's basically impossible.
The contact information on their website is useless too, phone number doesn't ring out and they don't respond to emails.
Payop is a payment gateway. They won't be able to refund you as they are merely a third party that handle the transaction between you and the 'merchant'. Your best bet is to raise chargebacks with your bank and they will reach out to them.
Canapay - Go to the bank and tell them you never received any goods from them after purchasing from their site. Maybe attempt to send them an email and then if/when they don't reply you can use that as evidence?
For Quickbit, again just try and get a chargeback raised. If you haven't said anything about gambling to your bank then I would advise that you don't. Just tell them you bought something from their website and never got any goods/services. They may contest your chargeback though, as some people have mentioned here previously. They appear to be some of the only people that do contest it.
Falcora finance je takođe prolaz za plaćanje
Falcora finance is also a payment gateway
Da, tačno, međutim, pošto se novac šalje bankovnim transferom, to otežava. Barem kada se plaćanje debitnom karticom izvrši na jednom od ovih prolaza za plaćanje, oni će pomoći u povraćaju sredstava kada im se banka obrati
Yes correct, however because the money is sent through a bank transfer it makes it more difficult. At least when a debit card payment is made to one of these payment gateways, they will assist with the chargeback when the bank reaches out to them
Banka im je zahvalila da ne mogu da ih urade više od 120 dana, ali Cripto im je rekao da im pošalju kopiju u nadležnim organima
Thanks got told by the bank they could not do them plus way over 120 days now but Crypto said email them n copy in authorities what ones though
iako je to tačno, potpuno isto pitanje je pri ruci sa ovim. Kada sam razgovarao sa FCA o tome, rekli su mi da moja banka treba da pomogne u ovome. Kada su kontaktirali banku rekli su da nikako ne mogu pomoći pa sam morao da uložim žalbu i čekam ishod.
although that’s true the exact same issue Is at hand with this. When I spoke to the FCA about it they told me my bank should be helping with this. When contacting the bank they said they couldn’t help in anyway so I had to put in a complaint and am waiting for the outcome.
To je frustrirajuće jer, tehnički, banke nemaju obavezu da pomažu u stvarima kao što je bankovni transfer itd. Postaje još teže kada shvatite da ovi bankovni transferi zapravo ne pokazuju gde novac završava. Samo vam govori naziv gejtveja za plaćanje. Kada sam razgovarao sa bankom o ovom pitanju, i oni su rekli da nemaju načina da identifikuju novac čak i otišao lažnom 'trgovcu', u poređenju sa debitnim karticama gde je to lako videti.
It's frustrating because technically, banks have no obligation to assist with things such as bank transfer etc. It becomes even more difficult when you realise that these bank transfers do not actually show where the money ends up. It just tells you the name of the payment gateway. When I spoke to the bank on this matter, they too said that they have no way of identifying the money even went to a fake 'merchant', compared to the debit cards where it is easy to see.
Zdravo svima, mislio sam da se vratim nakon mojih prethodnih komentara. Nažalost, krajem prošle nedelje, i veći deo ove nedelje, ponovo sam se vratio i glupo sam se prijavio u više kazina i počeo da gubim. Ne znam zašto sam to uopšte pokušao... U svakom slučaju, da vidim da li moja situacija može nekome da pomogne?
1. povraćaj sredstava:
Santander UK – Nakon nekih povratnih informacija i skoro odustajanja, povraćaji sredstava su podignuti kao „roba nije primljena" 24. oktobra, ali su mi dali 4 različita referentna broja jer nisu mogli da grupišu sve transakcije u jednu. Prošlo je 49 dana, a danas sam ih nazvao radi ažuriranja. Santander sada kaže da može proći i do 130 dana da se povraćaj sredstava završi? Rečeno mi je da će za početak biti 45 dana...
2. povraćaj (nakon ponavljanja)
Barclaicard UK - Podignuta odmah pod netačnim MCC kodom, podnela dokaze o depozitima napravljenim na Freshbet danas, kao i dokaz o pokušaju da kontaktiram lažne trgovce koji su prikazani na mojoj izjavi. Ovo bi trebalo da bude laka pobeda jer kockanje na kreditne kartice nije dozvoljeno.
3. povraćaj (nakon ponavljanja)
NatVest UK – Podigao povraćaj sredstava preko aplikacije, 2 od 8 su uspešno podignute i trgovcima je odmah vraćen novac (oni očigledno nisu želeli da to osporavaju). Za ostalih 6, primio sam automatizovane mejlove u kojima je pisalo da to neće podići, čak sam insinuirao da ih falsifikujem. Odmah sam uložio žalbu i dobio odgovor u roku od 2 dana sa molbom da pošaljem dokaze koji će podržati povraćaj sredstava. Uradio sam to u ponedeljak i trenutno čekam da me menadžer za žalbe obavesti da li će biti podignute ili ne. Čini se čudnim što ih uopšte nisu podigli, s obzirom da su prva 2 bila uspešna I trgovac je vratio ne?!
4. povraćaj (nakon relapsa)
Santander UK – Morao sam da ih nazovem danas i objasnim da sam ponovo oboleo (super sramotno) i da ih zamolim da podignu povraćaj sredstava za još 4 transakcije. Gospođa na telefonu bila je od velike pomoći i navela ih je kao 'roba i usluge nisu primljene' i već sam poslao dokaze putem internet veze. Čini se kao da su posle borbe kroz koju sam prošao u prvom, ovde identifikovali problem. Takođe je napomenula da su imali priliv ljudi koji su zvali o sličnim stvarima, a čini se da ova kazina dobijaju češću pažnju u pogledu potraživanja i povraćaja sredstava. Može li biti dobra stvar za budućnost?
Ako neko ima bilo kakvih pitanja, otpusti. Napravio sam obilje istraživanja na ovu temu, i prilično sam pročitao ceo ovaj forum od glave do pete i rado bih pomogao ako mogu.
Hi everyone, thought I’d come back after my previous comments. Unfortunately at the end of last week, and most of this week, I relapsed again and stupidly signed up to more casinos and started losing. Don’t know why I even attempted this… Anyway, let me see if my situation can help anyone?
1st Chargeback:
Santander UK - After some back and forth, and nearly giving up, chargebacks got raised as ‘goods not received’ on 24th October, but they gave me 4 different reference numbers as they couldn’t group all the transactions into one. It has now been 49 days, and I called them today for an update. Santander are now saying that it can take up to 130 days for the chargebacks to be completed? I was told it would be 45 days to begin with…
2nd Chargeback (after relapsing)
Barclaycard UK - Raised instantly under incorrect MCC code, submitted evidence of deposits made on freshbet today, as well as proof of trying to contact the fake merchants that show on my statement. This should be an easy win as gambling on credit cards is not permitted.
3rd Chargeback (after relapsing)
NatWest UK - Raised chargebacks through the app, 2 out of 8 were successfully raised and the merchants instantly refunded (they obviously didn’t want to contest it). For the other 6, I received automated emails saying they wouldn’t raise it, and even insinuated that I was falsifying them. I put a complaint in right away, and got a response within 2 days asking me to send over evidence that will support a chargeback. Done this on Monday and am currently waiting for a complaints manager to let me know if they will be raised or not. Seems weird that they didn’t raise them in the first place, considering the first 2 were successful AND the merchant refunded no?!
4th chargeback (after relapse)
Santander UK - Had to call them up today and explain that I relapsed (super embarrassing) and ask them to raise chargebacks for 4 more transactions. Lady on the phone was very helpful and raised them as ‘goods and services not received’ and I have already sent over the evidence via online link. It seems as though after the struggle I went through in the first one, they have identified the issue here. She also mentioned that they have had an influx of people calling about similar things, and these casinos seem to be getting more frequent attention with regards to claims and chargebacks. Could be a good thing for future?
If anyone has any questions, fire away. I’ve done an abundance of research on this subject, and pretty much read this whole forum head to toe and would be happy to help if I can.
Zdravo!
Pre svega, želeo bih da vam se zahvalim na vašem doprinosu.
Pitao sam se da li mogu, za promenu, da vam budem od koristi u vezi sa pomenutim relapsom.
Pretpostavljam da ste najverovatnije već blokirani preko Gamstop-a, ali možda biste koristili i neke druge alate i vodiče.
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Samo se nadam da nećeš imati ništa protiv da uđem u razgovor. Srećno sa povraćajem sredstava!
Hello!
First of all, I'd like to thank you for your contribution.
I was wondering whether I can, for a change, be of any use to you regarding the aforementioned relapse.
I would assume you are most likely already blocked through Gamstop, but perhaps you would also put some of the other tools and guides to beneficial use.
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As the Self-Exclusion Tool (beta version): https://casino.guru/global-self-exclusion-initiative/assistance-tool
I just hope you would not mind me stepping into the conversation. Best of luck with the chargebacks!
Santander je najgorih 5 meseci koliko im je bilo potrebno da se nose sa mojom, stalno lažu izmišljajući lažnu IP adresu govoreći da je moja. Moja IP adresa je prošla kroz data centar mojih sinova, a ispostavilo se da je IP adresa koju su dali negde u trupu. Prvobitno sam izneo kao prevaru, ali mi je odbijeno rečeno da će to podići kao povraćaj sredstava i da pošalje svu relevantnu dokumentaciju nazad .meseci koliko je to trajalo dok razni savetnici za korisničku podršku nisu imali nagoveštaj šta se dešava jedan mi je čak rekao da je slučaj zatvoren, ali je nastavio da se otvara, ali je definitivno odbijen. U oktobru me konačno zvao supervizor koji je rekao da se bavi time počeo me je veoma invazivno pitati o mom zdravlju kao što imam C. Želeo sam da znam hemoterapije lečenje lekovima za mentalno zdravlje koje sam smatrao veoma invazivnim i uznemirujućim. Rekao je da je van kancelarije do utorka i da će me pozvati u utorak sa ishodom .pa sam rekao ali odluka je već doneta zar nije slučaj zatvoren prema vašim savetnicima jer mi je rečeno da se tužba stalno odbija i konačna odluka je doneta on je bio zbunjen .oh znam ništa o tome ću pozvati uto .uto je odbijeno na osnovu IP adrese
Kontaktirao sam FO damu divnu, bila je šokirana vremenskim okvirom i invazivnim pitanjima.
Santanderu je takođe trebalo 3 nedelje da pošalje završno pismo bez objašnjenja ili upućivanja na prevara tipa spora/povraćaj sredstava koji nisu primili samo IP adresu, moj sin je tražio IP adresu i ispostavilo se da je neki finansijski centar SMH njegov centar podataka u Londonu tako da moja IP adresa bi trebalo da pokazuje London
Obavestio sam FO o tome
Juče sam zvao Santander jer sam zapravo želeo da znam da li su to zaista izneli kao robu i usluge koje nisu primljene, spustio sam slušalicu na tipičnom
Stvar je u tome što sam imao kockarske blokove i internacionalne blokove na svom računu, osvojio sam 1400 na sajtu i on je odbio da isplati, blokirao me je i odbio bilo kakvu prepisku. Želeo sam ili svoja sredstva ili depozite nazad ili .Iskreno ne mislim da je Santander uopšte istraživao .naterali su me da se osećam kao da me sranje rasplakalo mnogo puta učinilo da se osećam kao da sam kriminalac i doveli su me pod toliki stres nego što sam potrebno je pod
Još uvek čekam da me FO dodeli procenitelju, ne zadržavam dah jer čujem da se mnogi slučajevi odbijaju i da su na strani banaka. ali čim se ovo završi zatvaram svoj račun kod Santandera oni su gomila kašlja kašalj .....
Santander are the worse 5 months it took for them to deal with mine ,constantly lying making up fake ip address saying it was mine .my ip address is ran through my sons data center the ip address they give turned out to be somewhere in hull .I originally raised as fraud but rejected was told they would raise as chargebacks and to send all relevant documentation back .months it went on for with various customer service advisors not having a clue what was going on one even told me the case was closed but kept being reopend but it its definitely rejected .in oct I finally get a call from a supervisor who said he was dealing with it started asking me really invasive q about my health as I have C Wanted to know medication treatment chemo sessions mental health which i found very invasive and upsetting .he said he was out of office until the tue and he would call me on the tue with an outcome .so I said but the decision has already been made hasn't it the case is closed according to your advisors as I have been told the claim keeps being rejected and the final decision has been made he was stumped .oh I know nothing about that I will call on tue .tue came rejected based on IP address
I contacted FO lady lovely she was shocked about time frame and invasive questions .
Santander also took 3 weeks to send the final letter no explanation or ref to dispute type fraud /chargebacks of goods not received just an ip address my son searched ip address and it came up as hull some financial center SMH his data center is in London so my ip address should show london
I have made FO aware of this
I called Santander yesterday as I actually want to know if they actually raised these as goods and services not received i was hung up on typical
The thing is I had gambling blocks and international blocks on my account i won 1400 on the site and it refused to pay out blocked me and refused any correspondence. I wanted either my funds or deposits back either or .I honestly do not think Santander investigated at all .they made me feel like crap had me in tears numerous times made me feel like I was a criminal and put me under so much stress than I needed to be under
I am still waiting to be assigned to a assessor by FO i am not holding my breath as I hear that alot of the cases are being denied and they are siding with banks .but as soon as this is over I am closing my account with Santander they are a bunch of cough cough .....
Zdravo druže nadam se da je sada sve dobro.
Ko su bili vaši trgovci za vaše transakcije iz Santandera i da li su ih sve podigli?
Hi mate hope all is well now.
Who were your merchants for your Santander transactions and did they raise all of them?
Imao sam uspešne povraćaje sredstava sa
santander
juriti
vankuis
tesco banka poriče moju od pre 2 nedelje, govoreći da ne mogu da se mešaju. Požalio sam se na njih da bih onda mogao da odem u FCA. Poslao sam im dokaz da je trgovac rekao da će mi vratiti novac, a nisu.
I have had successful chargebacks with
santander
chase
vanquis
tesco bank are denying mine from 2 weeks ago, saying they cannot get involved. I have complained about them so I can then go to the fca. I sent them proof of the merchant saying they will refund me and they haven’t.
Mislio sam da dam novosti u vezi sa Artsridom, rekli su da su mi vratili novac, a zatim su prestali da odgovaraju više od nedelju dana. Konačno su danas odgovorili rekavši da je povraćaj poslat 28.11.24., ali da nemaju ARN (što znači da ga najverovatnije nisu poslali) Rekao sam im da se moja banka sprema da preduzme mere protiv njih ako ne dođe do rešenja je postignut ove nedelje.
će vas sve ažurirati
thought I’d give an update regarding Artsrid, they said they refunded me then stopped responding for over a week. They finally replied today saying the refund was sent on 28/11/24 but don’t have an ARN(meaning they most likely didn’t send it) I’ve told them my bank are preparing to take action against them if no resolution is reached this week.
will keep you all updated
To je nešto dalje nego što sam dobio, prestali su da odgovaraju nakon što sam poslao detalje, Finnart je rekao 3 nedelje za istragu. Mislim da su ovo dvoje povezani zbog lokacije kancelarije.
That’s slightly further than I got they stopped responding after I sent details, finnart said 3 weeks to investigate I think these two are linked due to office location.
Da, Ngl u početku je izgledalo obećavajuće jer je obojici trebalo nekoliko dana da odgovore, ali su rekli da su poslali povraćaj novca - onda je prećutalo do danas.
Još uvek ništa od Finnarta za nedelju dana.
Čudna stvar u vezi sa Artsridom je što su danas dali vreme kada je poslato do drugog😂
verovatno im je povukao tajm
Yeah Ngl at first it seemed promising as both took few days to reply but said they’d sent refunds-then it went silent until today.
Still nothing from Finnart in a week.
Weird thing about Artsrid is today they gave the time it was sent down to the second😂
probably pulled the time out their backside
Haha, da, pretpostavljam da je napravljeno da odgovara. Mislim da ako kažu da će ispoštovati povraćaj sredstava, a da se ne pojavi, onda bi banka trebalo da bude u mogućnosti da vrati novac. Za mene je stvar u tome što je Chase debitna kartica bezbrojna i ne prihvataju međunarodne transfere na račun, tako da ako mi kažu da je vraćena onda će to biti laž.
Haha yes would assume it’s made up to suit. I think if they say they will honour the refund and it doesn’t turn up then the bank should be able to chargeback. Thing for me is Chase debit card is numberless and they don’t accept international transfers into the account so if they say to me it’s refunded then it will be a lie.
Zdravo druže, stižem! Nadam se da si i ti dobar. Ponavljanje ove nedelje definitivno mi je otvorilo oči koliko je cela ova stvar glupa.
Trgovci su:
CRPV (nisam mogao da pronađem nikakve informacije o njima)
GORIVIRE SP.ZOO (kompanija se zove Kuickbit, nikada nisu odgovorili na moje imejlove)
auri digital (nema mnogo informacija o njima osim što su povezani sa veb-stranicom pod nazivom 'skinczar')
BITE NEVS (nisam mogao pronaći nikakve informacije o njima)
Za drugu tvrdnju (nakon relapsa):
NikoTPF*VEBOPS LTD (možda vebops-advertising.com?)
BITE LAB (nema informacija, sigurno u vezi sa BITE NEVS?)
Koliko ja znam, svi su podignuti kao 'roba nije primljena'. Prvi set povraćaja sredstava (pre recidiva) bio je potpuni nered. Neki su za početak podignuti kao tvrdnja o prevari, a zatim su na kraju promenjeni u 'roba nije primljena'. Nikada nisam dobio nikakav privremeni kredit za ovo i nakon 49 dana (od sada) još uvek nema ažuriranja o potraživanju. Svaki dan sam proveravao svoju Santander aplikaciju u odeljku „Prati spor" i zvao nekoliko puta, ali ništa. Ako nemam ažuriranja u roku od 60 dana, verovatno ću podneti žalbu, pošto mi Santander nije rekao da li je neko od trgovaca odgovorio ili da li su zahtevi čak i blizu potpune. Oni su potpuni haos u banci da budem iskren i nakon što se sve ovo završi, skoro sigurno ću pokušati da pređem negde kao što je Barclais.
Drugi set povraćaja sredstava je odmah pokrenut kao „roba nije primljena" i rečeno mi je preko telefona da će mi, kada se pogleda moj dokaz, biti dodeljen privremeni kredit. Ne znam da li je to tačno ili ne, ali ću vas obaveštavati.
Hi mate, getting there! Hope you are good too. Relapsing this week has definitely opened my eyes to how stupid this whole thing is.
The merchants are:
CRPW (couldn't find any info on them)
GORIWIRE SP.Z.O.O (the company is called quickbit, they never responded to my emails)
auri digital (not much info on them other than they are linked to a website called 'skinczar')
BYTE NEWS (couldn't find any info on them)
On the second claim (after relapse):
NikoTPF*WEBOPS LTD (could be webops-advertising.com possibly?)
BYTE LAB (no info, surely related to BYTE NEWS?)
To my knowledge, they were all raised as 'goods not received'. The first set of chargebacks (before relapse) was a complete mess. Some got raised as a scam claim to begin with, and then changed to 'goods not received' eventually. I never received any provisional credit for these and after 49 days (as of right now) there are still no updates on the claim. I have been checking my Santander app every day in the 'Track A Dispute' section and called a few times but nothing. If I have no update within 60 days I will likely put a complaint in, as Santander have not told me if any of the merchants have replied, or if the claims are even close to being complete. They are a complete mess of a bank to be honest and after this is all done I will almost certainly look to switch over to somewhere like Barclays.
The second set of chargebacks were instantly raised as 'goods not received' and I was told over the phone that once my evidence is looked at, I will be issued provisional credit. Whether this is true or not I don't know but will keep you updated.
Verovatno ne pomaže jer sam počeo da prepisujem u banci, FCA i akcione prevare sa ovim kompanijama, samo za svoju zabavu i da izvršim neki pritisak...
Probably doesn’t help as I started copying in the bank, FCA and action fraud with these companies in, just for my own amusement really and to apply some pressure…
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