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pre 4 meseci

Zapravo nisam želeo da pišem ništa više o tome, ali evo još jednog posta o iskustvu koje sam, nažalost, imao u poslednja tri dana. Godinama sam uglavnom igrao samo dve igre: Big Bass Bonanza i Božić. Samo juče sam dobio besplatne okretaje za oboje najmanje 20 puta za 2 evra i 3 evra. Svaki put, ali svaki put prvi pecaroš je došao posle 7. okretanja. Nije bilo važno da li imam 15 ili 10 besplatnih okretaja. Svaki put posle 7. okretanja. Svaki put sam osvojio manje od 100 evra. Na Big Bass Noć veštica oko 10 puta za 1,50 i 1,80, ni jednom preko 100 evra. Na Tropikani 5 puta po 2,40, 5 puta po 1,20 i 5 puta po 0,96 evra, ne jednom preko 50 evra. Samo jednom, od svih navedenih besplatnih okretaja i ostalih najmanje 20-25 na ulog od 1 evro, 1,20 itd., stigao sam do treće runde i osvojio 87 evra. Da li bi to trebalo da bude slučajno? Besplatni okreti u vrednosti od preko 10.000 evra sa više od 80% u džepu i istim jeftinim dobitkom i potpuno istim procesom? Ne, to nema nikakve veze sa slučajnošću. To je samo veoma pametan provajder igara koji postavlja sve za svakog od nas u zavisnosti od vrste igre. Za 2 godine imao sam hiljade besplatnih okretaja i ni jednom, čak ni ta velika riba, nije dobila 2000k. Svaki put kada sam pobedio 10k, 12k ili gore. U 50 besplatnih okretaja možda jednom osvojim 200 više od tipične pobede. I ima još nekoliko ljudi koji ovde pišu da to ima neke veze sa srećom? Kako je moguće da posle 1 ili 2 okretanja znam tačno kako će ići ostatak? Jer to ima veze sa srećom ili sa slučajnošću? Naravno da ne, jer svi imaju način razmišljanja koji zna da ćemo posle nekoliko malih pobeda nastaviti da igramo i možda platiti više. Pa ako neko ovde napiše da je to igra na sreću i sl. onda definitivno nije sasvim pošten. Hvala vam

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pre 4 meseci

Još jedan dodatak: juče sam za oko 400 evra depozita nekoliko puta dobio besplatne okrete na Big Bass Bonanza i Božić, jednom je bilo 150 evra, inače sve ispod 50. Sav novac je nestao, naravno. Od juče uveče do nedavno, uplatio sam 600 evra, 2 k besplatna okretanja po 1 evro. Naravno, oba puta sam bio prvi pecaroš posle 7. okretanja, osvojivši 28 evra. Ko još želi da kaže da kazino cashvin.com i pragmatični nisu prevaranti? Igre vredne preko 30.000 evra za 7 dana i svaki put isto.

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I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

pre 4 meseci

Još jedan dodatak: juče sam za oko 400 evra depozita nekoliko puta dobio besplatne okrete na Big Bass Bonanza i Božić, jednom je bilo 150 evra, inače sve ispod 50. Sav novac je nestao, naravno. Od juče uveče do nedavno, uplatio sam 600 evra, 2 k besplatna okretanja po 1 evro. Naravno, oba puta sam bio prvi pecaroš posle 7. okretanja, osvojivši 28 evra. Ko još želi da kaže da kazino cashvin.com i pragmatični nisu prevaranti? Igre vredne preko 30.000 evra za 7 dana i svaki put isto.

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pre 4 meseci

I don't understand one thing. If you have this opinion and you are not doing well and you think that pragmatic is a bad provider and you don't get free spins or it's only once in a while, or even if you do get it, it always pays so little, why do you keep playing on these slots ? I have a feeling that you are going against yourself and it makes absolutely no sense to lose money on something that has somehow been verified by your own judgement. 

pre 4 meseci

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I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

pre 4 meseci

I guess it's the first time I see that you have such screenshots and I'm sure glad if you managed to win. The other side of the coin is that you probably lost it all back, which is pretty sad, because you don't have to win that kind of money in a casino. 

But I'm pleased that it's not just about how bad everything is.

pre 4 meseci

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

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pre 4 meseci

PLEASE DONT GAMBLE ANYONE. GAMBLING IS FINANCIAL RUIN. I HATE GAMBLING SO MUCH. STAKE CASINO AND PRAGMATIC PLAY ARE BIG FRAUDS. YESTERDAY I LOST 82$ IN PRAGMATIC PLAY WITH NO BONUS.

kabcd42
pre 4 meseci

Kako kažeš, to je kocka, pa ti treba sreća. Ne bi trebalo da prokockate svoj važan novac, samo ono što vam ostane kada se bavite ovim hobijem.

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ankaraxxx
pre 4 meseci

Većina pragmatičnih igara je prilično nestabilna, što otežava pobedu tamo.

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Volatile = honest way of scamming

Kyami
pre 4 meseci

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

kabcd42
pre 4 meseci

Both of your posts sound like you have quite a deep opinion on how it works. Do you care to be more specific by chance?

I also know quite a good saying, though:

"Generalization undermines objectivity, and the absence of objectivity undermines the idea."

I bet we can delve into details, though I'll leave that to you. 🙏

pre 4 meseci

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

pre 4 meseci

Strong-minded people are, from my experience, perfectly suitable to have hobbies without this side effect.

I prefer not to tend to simplify everything into a fancy verse. Perhaps you have some live experience worth sharing. Do you, by any means, need some support?

pre 4 meseci

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

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pre 4 meseci

Hmm, the player below you described it well, high volatility means that it is quite possible that you will have a lot of dead spins but if the game hits a big win, it is usually worth it. 

However, it is gambling and with it comes the risk of losing money. You definitely don't need to play with money you can't afford and you should only spend what you don't feel sorry for.

So even if you had a streak like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the games are rigged. I've seen a lot of bonuses that were bought for like $1000 and got back $50. It's not unusual, so if you can't afford it, definitely don't spend money on playing slots. 

Jaro
pre 4 meseci

HELLO JARO, IT IS AN ABNORMAL SITUATION FOR ALL 11 PURCHASED GAMES TO MAKE A LOSS. I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE RTP OF THE GAME. I HAVE NEVER SEEN 11 HANDS IN A SEASON WINNER. IF THE GAME IS PAST, 11 PURCHASES AND 11 GAMES ARE LOST IN A ROW. I DON'T THINK THIS MAKE LOGICAL. I WILL REPORT THIS SITUATION TO THE LICENSING COMPANY AND IGAMING. THIS CAN NEVER BE THE GAME'S WRITTEN RTP AND RETURN TO PLAYER RATE


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Kyami
pre 4 meseci

DID YOU SEE THE ONE WHO WON 11 GAMES IN A Row, BROTHER? NO BUT I LOSED 11 GAMES IN A ROW. IF YOU PLAY THIS GAME, HAVE YOU EVER LOST 11 GAMES IN A ROW, EVEN IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT ONCE AGAIN? THERE IS NO VARIATION LIKE THIS, IT IS NOT EARNING HARD, IT IS BEING DECEIVED.











ankaraxxx
pre 4 meseci

If you are going to report it then feel free to let me know what result you got and what they told you. 

As for whether I saw someone who won in 11 bonuses, I can't say exactly, but I know that I saw a player who had a profit from 15 bonuses to 10 a couple of times, which is quite a lot. But a week later he had 10 bonuses and he was minus on all of them, so like I said it's gambling. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes it's like you had it. 

It's certainly not pleasant but if you're going to play you have to be prepared for that scenario. 🤷‍♂️😕

Jaro
pre 3 meseci

HELLO, I COMPLAINED WITH ONE OF THESE SITES TO THE TER WHO LICENSED THE SITE. THEY SENT AN EMAIL THAT PRAGMATIC PLAY DETERMINES THE RTP RATES OF THE BETTING SITE WITH THEIR GAME HISTORIES AND SHARED MY GAME DATA. IT IS ACTUALLY PROOF OF HOW THEY INTERVENE IN THESE GAMES. THEY HAVE A PANEL AND THERE ARE YOUR EARNING STATISTICS, BUT I NEVER CRIED ABOUT SUCH WINNINGS IN THE GATE OF 1000 GAME THAT HE SHARED. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE LICENSING COMPANY THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE AND I AM SENDING THEIR RESPONSE TO YOU.


 Dear Executive,


You have not provided Curaçao eGaming ("CEG") and/or the Player with an update regarding this complaint within seven days of the previous notice. This means that the operator is now in material breach of the IP-agreement with CEG. The operator is now granted three more working days before CEG shall make a preliminary ruling in this matter. This could mean that CEG may decide in favour of the Player.

 


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ankaraxxx
pre 3 meseci

Thanks for forwarding me the answer. When did it happen ? At the time you posted here ? I see that the casino probably has a few more days to reply to you and I'm curious how this will all end. Definitely let me know if anything changes, I'm quite interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. 🤞

pre 3 meseci

Danas sam ponovo svirao Big Bass Bonanza i Božić na Cashvin.com. 11 puta za 1 evro besplatnih okretaja uz dobitak od 146 evra, inače svi ostali ispod 40 evra.

5 puta po 2 evra uz maksimalnu pobedu od 76 evra.

1 put na 1.20 4 skatera sa 2 runde 27 evra.

Svi ostali besplatni okreti od 80 i 90 centi funkcionisali su potpuno na isti način.

I zapravo još uvek postoje ljudi koji kažu da je to igra na sreću i da Pragmatična igra ima zakonski nasumični princip.

Nemaju ništa!

Inače možete tako nešto objasniti. Jednom, dvaput, ali ne razumem 1000 puta.

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